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139. The difference with the bacon

Mon Sep 14, 2015, 09:11 AM

Sep 2015

is that the customer was not denied bacon. The clerk asked the customer if they would scan it. Normally another clerk would scan the pork products but the place was very busy at the time. If the customer didn't want to scan they could have waited for another clerk. Either way, they were not denied a service.

Kim Davis, otoh, denied service. Not only did she refuse to assign licenses but also refused to allow any other clerks in her office the opportunity to issue a license. Couples had to travel to another county to receive services. If Davis had just assigned another clerk in the office to issue licenses the bacon incident would be more like what happened in her office. Instead, because of Davis, no one could have a license. At the grocery store no one was denied bacon.

Two different instances.

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She wouldn't touch my bacon. [View all] KentuckyWoman Sep 2015 OP

I really don't like anyone having exceptions yeoman6987 Sep 2015 #1

I disagree with you in the strongest terms KentuckyWoman Sep 2015 #3

Really? A Little Weird Sep 2015 #61

You'll have to talk to Yeoman about that. KentuckyWoman Sep 2015 #84

Legally, it is. Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #94

Which is freaking stupid MellowDem Sep 2015 #136

The free exercise of religion is part of the first amendment to the constitution. Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #138

I know, but the protection... MellowDem Sep 2015 #142

Because freedom from feeling "gross" is not part of the constitution. Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #143

Nothing about the first Amendment... MellowDem Sep 2015 #145

You equate religion to disability? I don't think that is appropirate at all. Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #65

The obligation to accommodate is the same. Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #95

Here's an interesting not-so-hypothetical: REP Sep 2015 #100

The accommodation is to have another worker scan it. Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #103

yikes REP Sep 2015 #105

I had one today - and the store was very busy. Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #118

'reasonable accommodation' Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #76

I'm with you. 840high Sep 2015 #102

Too extreme the other way? How about no religious exemptions for Hortensis Sep 2015 #140

Bullshit! malokvale77 Sep 2015 #2

Service was not denied. Bacon was received. Life goes on. Scootaloo Sep 2015 #4

In this instance. malokvale77 Sep 2015 #5

As far as your desperate imagination will drag it, kicking and screaming, I'm sure. Scootaloo Sep 2015 #6

First of all... malokvale77 Sep 2015 #10

Those who rely on slippery slope arguments are always desperate. Scootaloo Sep 2015 #25

That is your slippery slope... malokvale77 Sep 2015 #44

"The demise of humankind in a nano-second" Scootaloo Sep 2015 #48

I think you missed a little... malokvale77 Sep 2015 #52

It was your slippery slope muriel_volestrangler Sep 2015 #64

Unfortunately, w/a lot of these pharmacist "conscience" cases, people DON'T get the expected service Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #18

And that difference is the core of the OP's point Scootaloo Sep 2015 #28

problem is, that distinction can get lost on the woman who can't get her pills because the only open Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #37

See the posts below on that very subject. At least, in Washington. Scootaloo Sep 2015 #41

I said myself, this is an instance where I probably wouldn't give a shit, personally. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #50

If only everyone had jobs lined out for them like an employment buffet. Scootaloo Sep 2015 #55

Certainly. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #56

How is it moving goal posts when it has already happened? TipTok Sep 2015 #144

A Federal Court recently ruled against pharmacists in Washington State... PoliticAverse Sep 2015 #30

Good. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #38

Yup. I live here, I aknow. Scootaloo Sep 2015 #40

Thank you Warren... malokvale77 Sep 2015 #35

Business should accommodate all employees when it's reasonable Major Nikon Sep 2015 #33

We're talking about a store policy. Scootaloo Sep 2015 #36

The reason stores have these policies is because religious accommodation is enshrined in Title VII Major Nikon Sep 2015 #58

Or just use self checkout and avoid the cashier Travis_0004 Sep 2015 #128

Long after the thrill of bacon is gone. lovemydog Sep 2015 #31

But after the bacon, I'm still in love with you jberryhill Sep 2015 #77

Actually, service was indeed denied. branford Sep 2015 #47

"and the matter far more complicated and potentially uncivil." Scootaloo Sep 2015 #49

If the OP didn't want to scan the bacon, Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #96

I can't resist. Not when you wrote the phrase 'bacon was recieved'. aidbo Sep 2015 #112

Kindness and tolerance prevailed in this instance Rose Siding Sep 2015 #81

or maybe they just wanted to get the transaction done Skittles Sep 2015 #124

It is about Kim Davis and it is about her bigotry. Behind the Aegis Sep 2015 #7

It's also about being an asshole Major Nikon Sep 2015 #19

Bingo (nt) malokvale77 Sep 2015 #46

Thank YOU! smirkymonkey Sep 2015 #72

The difference with the bacon xmas74 Sep 2015 #139

There's a distinction here. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #79

I've had women refuse to touch my sausage, but bacon is a new one to me DJ13 Sep 2015 #8

Virtually every hand you shake has touched a sausage Major Nikon Sep 2015 #15

ewwwwwwww DJ13 Sep 2015 #16

Is the first part true or a literary device? Nt. Juicy_Bellows Sep 2015 #9

LOL KentuckyWoman Sep 2015 #85

Well in all my years I've never heard of such a thing. Juicy_Bellows Sep 2015 #88

I think I would be a little offended if some religious nut told me what I was eating was UNCLEAN CBGLuthier Sep 2015 #11

Especially if we told that 840high Sep 2015 #104

so, she is fine working for a store that sells unclean food Skittles Sep 2015 #12

... Major Nikon Sep 2015 #13

+1 Behind the Aegis Sep 2015 #14

Too funny yeoman6987 Sep 2015 #71

file me under "if you can't do the job because of your religion, get a different job". Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #17

I agree and disagree. Behind the Aegis Sep 2015 #20

My go-to position is in this post; Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #21

Yup, we agree. Behind the Aegis Sep 2015 #26

Back in July I attended a wedding ceremony in Oklahoma of a gay couple Major Nikon Sep 2015 #22

Well, I must honestly say, I am sorry I missed the chance to meet you. Behind the Aegis Sep 2015 #27

Fuckin A, Bubba. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #34

I thought "She wouldn't touch my bacon" was going to be about a country music song. nt betsuni Sep 2015 #23

I was just gonna say, the OP gets a perfect score on crafting a fine click-bait-y header. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #24

"Her rebel flag earrings was blazin' in the light Art_from_Ark Sep 2015 #54

Heh. The other day I heard a country song, "The liquor store came first" betsuni Sep 2015 #110

I thought it was a new name for 840high Sep 2015 #106

Haha kind of silly quickesst Sep 2015 #29

"I don't even touch my bacon until I get it home and open the package." Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #32

haha quickesst Sep 2015 #59

I was thinking that... TreasonousBastard Sep 2015 #39

Also... quickesst Sep 2015 #60

The flying nun - guess not 840high Sep 2015 #107

funny... quickesst Sep 2015 #131

Great mental image Scootaloo Sep 2015 #42

I would have respected that. I'm not sure why it's so upsetting? C Moon Sep 2015 #43

She's not touching it if it's Unknown Beatle Sep 2015 #45

I know... malokvale77 Sep 2015 #51

Yep. That's just what I was thinking. So, she was Ok with scanning the other items that touched Dark n Stormy Knight Sep 2015 #89

I assume the bacon was in a package, in which case she wasn't touching it. Vinca Sep 2015 #53

but they would say that it is probably "enabling" people to normalize such behavior. CTyankee Sep 2015 #68

The bigger problem is the religious picking and choosing what religious rules they will follow YabaDabaNoDinoNo Sep 2015 #57

How long before "reasonable accommodation" means Jamastiene Sep 2015 #125

The way I see it the religious live in a fantasy world living their lives in fear of the YabaDabaNoDinoNo Sep 2015 #127

What if she owned the store and refused to sell bacon? Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #62

No one is required to sell bacon or any product they don't feel like selling YabaDabaNoDinoNo Sep 2015 #78

Will Religiously Insanity ever go away? B Calm Sep 2015 #63

no Skittles Sep 2015 #122

Perhaps you shouldn't have brought a handful of greasy unwrapped bacon to the cashier Android3.14 Sep 2015 #66

...+1 840high Sep 2015 #109

We had to use commerce laws to change society in legal tems in the south, mmonk Sep 2015 #67

IMHO Kim Davis is nothing more than an attention seeker. PufPuf23 Sep 2015 #69

Absolutely yeoman6987 Sep 2015 #74

bacon is sealed in a plastic wrap, you CAN'T touch it...oh the stupid spanone Sep 2015 #70

"Your food is dirty and I won't deign to touch it" RedCappedBandit Sep 2015 #73

If one has little grasp of the legal meaning and history of reasonable relgious belief accommodations Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #80

she doesn't seem to mind being paid by a store that sells that dirty food Skittles Sep 2015 #123

Yes. All religious fundamentalists are hypocrites. nt RedCappedBandit Sep 2015 #129

Factory farm pork... yum. hunter Sep 2015 #75

Your reference to your favorite mentally ill person conjured up my childhood memories. gordianot Sep 2015 #83

You are a kind and tolerant person. Rose Siding Sep 2015 #82

Pork fat rules here. KentuckyWoman Sep 2015 #86

It's sad to see that DU still is filled with so many vile, evil authoritarians... Shandris Sep 2015 #87

Yes we all should allow childish people to call what we eat a SIN. CBGLuthier Sep 2015 #126

She can believe whatever she wants, but she should get a job that does not conflict her beliefs Travis_0004 Sep 2015 #130

Wow! ProfessorGAC Sep 2015 #137

Tolerance of stupidity... TipTok Sep 2015 #146

The only way she would have touched any bacon is if the customer first unwrapped it. Snobblevitch Sep 2015 #90

So the prohibition extends to bacon that is already packaged? alarimer Sep 2015 #91

From a Baptist pastor: Lorien Sep 2015 #92

I wonder if she's fully aware of all the products that contain pork products. DawgHouse Sep 2015 #93

I thought the same - Jello, Ivory soap, toothpaste, hand lotion, Coffee Mate etc riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #97

Exactly, I was shocked when I used to hit the 'pork' section in the Emirates JCMach1 Sep 2015 #99

In the UAE I had my pork products scanned by Muslims many times... JCMach1 Sep 2015 #98

OK, That is interesting. smirkymonkey Sep 2015 #120

Precisely... It is most likely a new convert that doesn't know her halal rules from a hole JCMach1 Sep 2015 #132

Like the Muslim ExpressJet flight attendant who suddenly decided she couldn't serve alcohol riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #135

new converts to anything are the WORST... just take Kim Davis for example JCMach1 Sep 2015 #148

Your cashier isn't sworn to uphold the Constitution lunatica Sep 2015 #101

If you want to work in a grocery store... awoke_in_2003 Sep 2015 #108

Bacon-related musical interlude: betsuni Sep 2015 #111

Let me give you a totally different example, sadoldgirl Sep 2015 #113

Count me among those who think this woman SheilaT Sep 2015 #114

She is also just wrong even within her religion... JCMach1 Sep 2015 #133

She could wear gloves....or not take a job that she couldn't do fully.... Joe the Revelator Sep 2015 #115

Great argument for self-checkouts, which I prefer anyway. Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #116

Be kinda interesting to hear soon yeoman6987 Sep 2015 #141

Good thing it wasn't sausage, because then the title would say "She wouldn't touch my sausage" Reter Sep 2015 #117

The kicker is the fact that she is trying to stop others from doing it either. Jamastiene Sep 2015 #119

good discussion and.... steve2470 Sep 2015 #121

If you're in a religion where you can't handle bacon because of your religious beliefs... Deadshot Sep 2015 #134

I hate it when they won't touch my bacon. tabasco Sep 2015 #147