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115. Gives new meaning to tl;dr...

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 07:04 AM

Sep 2015

The problem for bernie is simple - the westren European democraciees bernie does point to are social democracies and do not embrace or exemplify democratic socilism . The European People's Party is not socilistic. They are not, and never will be democratic socialist states.Venezuela however explicitly embraces and exemplifies the political ideology that bernie espouses . And, by the way, bernie knows it.

But more importantly bernie's electoral competition knows this and they are going to make good use of it. So you can be quite sure the voters will know all about it too.

What the voters will hear is one candidate saying Make America Great and another candidate saying Make America Venezuela .

Bernie, and the Democratic Party , will be smeared with Venezuelan crude.

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If Democratic Socialism is so bad, where are all the scandinavian immigrants? - img [View all] Bubzer Sep 2015 OP

Pinin' for the fjords? The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2015 #1

Isn't their prime minister Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2015 #3

Conservatives in Europe are more Democratic Socialist than our Democrats. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #31

Conservatism is stronger in hot climates, cools down a bit in cool ones. Hortensis Sep 2015 #52

Very interesting. Thanks. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #70

Alaska is an odd ball with Palinites Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2015 #71

Are you from Alaska, Rosa L? Hortensis Sep 2015 #73

Alaska is weird Scootaloo Sep 2015 #126

No, they're more Social Democratic. BIG difference to us who have lived where there was both. DFW Sep 2015 #98

Bernie is 73 and not about to shoot anyone. Listen to his speeches. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #111

I'm American and agree with your assessment of the domestic situation DFW Sep 2015 #114

I lived in Germany, France, Austria and the UK, JDPriestly Sep 2015 #125

Lovely plumage, the Norwegian blue. nt awoke_in_2003 Sep 2015 #37

Isn't their Deputy Prime Minster a Green? Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2015 #2

I'm not sure. I think it depends which scandinavian country you're refering to. Bubzer Sep 2015 #6

Sorry, Sweden Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2015 #72

Ahh. This is what's listed at wikipedia: Bubzer Sep 2015 #80

Ja Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2015 #89

If Democrtsic Socialism is so good, where are all the US Emigrants? brooklynite Sep 2015 #4

About 20k immigrate to scandinavia from the US per year. Bubzer Sep 2015 #5

It's difficult to emigrate to the Scandinavian countries. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2015 #9

It is hard to go to many countries. Hardly any of us would qualify yeoman6987 Sep 2015 #19

One of my college friends did so by taking a post-graduate semester abroad in Oslo Lydia Leftcoast Sep 2015 #83

+1 Bubzer Sep 2015 #94

Since so many people here worry that the Democratic nomination is being "fixed"..... brooklynite Sep 2015 #85

You seem bitter about something. tabasco Sep 2015 #87

What would I be bitter about? brooklynite Sep 2015 #88

I wouldn't call somone detailing their experiences as being flippant. Bubzer Sep 2015 #96

Thats somthing I would expect the GOP or a conservative to say...not a Dem. Bubzer Sep 2015 #95

So eager to get rid of us? daleanime Sep 2015 #24

. Rex Sep 2015 #26

my late husband said DesertFlower Sep 2015 #35

Ever try immigrating to a better place as an American? YabaDabaNoDinoNo Sep 2015 #48

It's also almost imposible to own land outside of the US. Bubzer Sep 2015 #66

It is difficult, but there are a few countries in Asia where it isn't that difficult davidpdx Sep 2015 #116

This message was self-deleted by its author stillwaiting Sep 2015 #49

Depending on the outcome of this election PowerToThePeople Sep 2015 #55

The Scandinavian countries are not democratic socialist. former9thward Sep 2015 #7

Defends them from what? The US is more in the busienss of creating terrorists n/t eridani Sep 2015 #8

Its called NATO. former9thward Sep 2015 #45

Sweden and Finland never joined NATO during the Cold War 1939 Sep 2015 #56

Yes they are. ForgoTheConsequence Sep 2015 #10

+1 Bubzer Sep 2015 #12

No, they're not. NuclearDem Sep 2015 #13

For you as well. Bubzer Sep 2015 #14

And for you: NuclearDem Sep 2015 #16

I really shouldn't need to point this out, but... Bubzer Sep 2015 #17

You do know that social democracy and democratic socialism are not the same thing? NuclearDem Sep 2015 #18

Touche! Though I want to bring some additional perspective into play... Bubzer Sep 2015 #82

And right in that site, they will tell you they are Socialists, & on the very page you linked nt stevenleser Sep 2015 #104

LOL! Rex Sep 2015 #27

That's right, their governments are Social Democracies, not Democratic Socialism. nt stevenleser Sep 2015 #105

You are mistaken sir. Bubzer Sep 2015 #11

No, I am not. former9thward Sep 2015 #44

Then where do you take your deffinition from? Bubzer Sep 2015 #97

I imagine the academic texts sourced in the wiki entry are merely pablum too... LanternWaste Sep 2015 #108

Other posters have agreed with me. former9thward Sep 2015 #110

And other posters have disagreed with you. Bubzer Sep 2015 #120

+100 !! (NT) PosterChild Sep 2015 #28

Democratic socialist countries are capitalist. It's a mixture. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #33

So true. If only we could get rid of this military obsession treestar Sep 2015 #54

Correct, the Scandinavian and many European countries are Social Democracies. Not the same thing stevenleser Sep 2015 #78

They've all committed suicide DavidDvorkin Sep 2015 #15

Oh, they're all moving here to the US to take advantage of the unbelievably expensive healthcare, Zorra Sep 2015 #20

lol Bubzer Sep 2015 #21

I love the tone of you sarcasm! Phlem Sep 2015 #22

But Mureica and freedom. We're exceptional. kairos12 Sep 2015 #38

Exactly. SoapBox Sep 2015 #23

Is there some kind of migration of Americans to Scandinavia? SouthernProgressive Sep 2015 #25

+100 !! (NT) PosterChild Sep 2015 #30

Were I younger and more adventuring, I might consider 1monster Sep 2015 #41

Most Americans don't have a clue how things work in other countries. Very incurious. stillwaiting Sep 2015 #50

Of course, it excludes those who would "hugely benefit" TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2015 #58

Our social safety net is a disgrace. stillwaiting Sep 2015 #59

+1 Bubzer Sep 2015 #68

I've seen the argument made that their sharp immigration restrictions enable much of what they do Lee-Lee Sep 2015 #57

It's very difficult to emigrate to those countries Lydia Leftcoast Sep 2015 #90

The Bubble Brigade will explain why America is 1# Rex Sep 2015 #29

The upper midwest: Minnesota, Wisconsin, Dakotas, Iowa IronLionZion Sep 2015 #32

And they all came here....when? truebluegreen Sep 2015 #39

I personally know some recent immigrants from Sweden IronLionZion Sep 2015 #60

Yes, I'm sure there's a wave. truebluegreen Sep 2015 #62

People walk past Europeans every day without knowing they're European IronLionZion Sep 2015 #84

Uff da. truebluegreen Sep 2015 #86

+1 Bubzer Sep 2015 #102

Americans of Scandinavian descent outnumber Scandinavians in Scandinavia (nt) Recursion Sep 2015 #43

Bingo. The immigrants fleeing Scandinavia WERE there - before they adopted Democratic Socialism. forest444 Sep 2015 #74

Primarily fleeing a shortage of land NT 1939 Sep 2015 #77

Or rather, the concentration of most good land in a few hundred families. forest444 Sep 2015 #81

White, colder, and 1939 Sep 2015 #93

So what's your opinion of.. PosterChild Sep 2015 #34

Well, lets take a look at that. Bubzer Sep 2015 #100

Bernie's going to be . ... PosterChild Sep 2015 #112

Yikes! that article is enormous! Thats not an article, its a book! Bubzer Sep 2015 #113

Gives new meaning to tl;dr... PosterChild Sep 2015 #115

Sorry but I just don't agree. The fear about socialism has been progressivly fading for a while now. Bubzer Sep 2015 #117

Here are some resources... PosterChild Sep 2015 #118

Yet, in spite of those numbers, Bernie has had vastly more event attendance than anyone else. Bubzer Sep 2015 #119

Good luck with that (nt) PosterChild Sep 2015 #121

Looks like it's started.... PosterChild Sep 2015 #124

Looks like Hillary's attacks are having the opposite impact Bubzer Sep 2015 #127

Keep hoping. (nt) PosterChild Sep 2015 #128

Conservatives There Are Not Like Ours Here colsohlibgal Sep 2015 #36

Bingo! Jason Huh Sep 2015 #40

In a large band from Wisconsin to the Dakotas Recursion Sep 2015 #42

yep you nailed it nt steve2470 Sep 2015 #47

This message was self-deleted by its author stillwaiting Sep 2015 #51

And WHEN did they immigrate there? stillwaiting Sep 2015 #53

Yah, well, the Swedes and Norskies have royal families, you know. MineralMan Sep 2015 #63

Your application of historical context is dramatically lacking. LanternWaste Sep 2015 #109

They're all over Washington state, for one thing. And many of them pnwmom Sep 2015 #46

Can you blame them? It's freaking cold here in MineralMan Sep 2015 #65

They all came to Minnesnowta years ago. MineralMan Sep 2015 #61

Minnesota, Wisconsin, Northern Michigan FrodosPet Sep 2015 #64

Right. Bubzer Sep 2015 #69

These days, I think only upper middle class Scandinavians would try to emigrate to the US KitSileya Sep 2015 #67

Our DIL is a Danish citizen raised in America, KitSileya, but she's never Hortensis Sep 2015 #76

If you refer to Scandinavia, you're thinking of Social Democracy. Not the same thing as "PDS" DFW Sep 2015 #75

I keep telling people this. Maybe if enough of us say it, people will finally get it. nt stevenleser Sep 2015 #79

When swine get permission to launch an airline DFW Sep 2015 #91

I've tried to explain the differences in European political parties.... BooScout Sep 2015 #99

I've seen that. DFW Sep 2015 #101

Not quite. Bubzer Sep 2015 #103

I don't think just "American." I think globally. I have to. DFW Sep 2015 #106

I can certainly respect that. Each culture applies the labels it deems appropriate. Bubzer Sep 2015 #107

If monarchy is bad, where are all the immigrants of noble birth? Kaleva Sep 2015 #92

K & R! Dont call me Shirley Sep 2015 #122

We won't see that type of socialism until the country splits into smaller countries Marrah_G Sep 2015 #123