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Octafish

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99. Have you read Tyler Cowen, Raster?
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 05:17 PM
Sep 2015

Scholar. Sage. Pro-business.



The Pitfalls of Peace

The Lack of Major Wars May Be Hurting Economic Growth

Tyler Cowen
The New York Times, JUNE 13, 2014

The continuing slowness of economic growth in high-income economies has prompted soul-searching among economists. They have looked to weak demand, rising inequality, Chinese competition, over-regulation, inadequate infrastructure and an exhaustion of new technological ideas as possible culprits.

An additional explanation of slow growth is now receiving attention, however. It is the persistence and expectation of peace.

The world just hasn’t had that much warfare lately, at least not by historical standards. Some of the recent headlines about Iraq or South Sudan make our world sound like a very bloody place, but today’s casualties pale in light of the tens of millions of people killed in the two world wars in the first half of the 20th century. Even the Vietnam War had many more deaths than any recent war involving an affluent country.

Counterintuitive though it may sound, the greater peacefulness of the world may make the attainment of higher rates of economic growth less urgent and thus less likely. This view does not claim that fighting wars improves economies, as of course the actual conflict brings death and destruction. The claim is also distinct from the Keynesian argument that preparing for war lifts government spending and puts people to work. Rather, the very possibility of war focuses the attention of governments on getting some basic decisions right — whether investing in science or simply liberalizing the economy. Such focus ends up improving a nation’s longer-run prospects.

It may seem repugnant to find a positive side to war in this regard, but a look at American history suggests we cannot dismiss the idea so easily. Fundamental innovations such as nuclear power, the computer and the modern aircraft were all pushed along by an American government eager to defeat the Axis powers or, later, to win the Cold War. The Internet was initially designed to help this country withstand a nuclear exchange, and Silicon Valley had its origins with military contracting, not today’s entrepreneurial social media start-ups. The Soviet launch of the Sputnik satellite spurred American interest in science and technology, to the benefit of later economic growth.

War brings an urgency that governments otherwise fail to summon. For instance, the Manhattan Project took six years to produce a working atomic bomb, starting from virtually nothing, and at its peak consumed 0.4 percent of American economic output. It is hard to imagine a comparably speedy and decisive achievement these days.

SNIP...

Living in a largely peaceful world with 2 percent G.D.P. growth has some big advantages that you don’t get with 4 percent growth and many more war deaths. Economic stasis may not feel very impressive, but it’s something our ancestors never quite managed to pull off. The real questions are whether we can do any better, and whether the recent prevalence of peace is a mere temporary bubble just waiting to be burst.

Tyler Cowen is a professor of economics at George Mason University.

SOURCE: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/14/upshot/the-lack-of-major-wars-may-be-hurting-economic-growth.html?_r=0



The guy seems to specialize in Big Ticket themes:

Just when I thought, maybe, we had reached bottom and were ready to bounce up -- I discovered there may be no bottom -- for me and the large part of the 99-percent.



Economist Tyler Cowen of George Mason University has seen the future and it looks bleak for most of us. Thankfully, those at the top, though, are in for some more good times. He spoke about his findings with NPR's Steve Inskeep. I almost dropped my smartphone into my coffee while texting during rush hour, listening to the report this morning, I was so steamed.



Tired Of Inequality? One Economist Says It'll Only Get Worse

by NPR STAFF
September 12, 2013 3:05 AM

Economist Tyler Cowen has some advice for what to do about America's income inequality: Get used to it. In his latest book, Average Is Over, Cowen lays out his prediction for where the U.S. economy is heading, like it or not:

"I think we'll see a thinning out of the middle class," he tells NPR's Steve Inskeep. "We'll see a lot of individuals rising up to much greater wealth. And we'll also see more individuals clustering in a kind of lower-middle class existence."

It's a radical change from the America of 40 or 50 years ago. Cowen believes the wealthy will become more numerous, and even more powerful. The elderly will hold on to their benefits ... the young, not so much. Millions of people who might have expected a middle class existence may have to aspire to something else.

SNIP...

Some people, he predicts, may just have to find a new definition of happiness that costs less money. Cowen says this widening is the result of a shifting economy. Computers will play a larger role and people who can work with computers can make a lot. He also predicts that everyone will be ruthlessly graded — every slice of their lives, monitored, tracked and recorded.

CONTINUED with link to the audio...

http://www.npr.org/2013/09/12/221425582/tired-of-inequality-one-economist-says-itll-only-get-worse



For some reason, the interview with Steve Inskeep didn't bring up the subject of the GOVERNMENT DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT LIKE IN THE NEW DEAL so I thought I'd bring it up. Older DUers may recall the Democratic Party once actually did do stuff for the average American, from school and work to housing and justice. But, we can't afford that now, obviously.

Oh, the good news is the 1-percent may swell to a 15-percent "upper middle class" while the rest of the middle class goes the other way. Gee. That sounds eerily familiar. Oh..."Commercial interests are very powerful interests" uttered same press conference where Smirko said, "Money trumps peace." Pretty much always the on-message 24/7/366 for most of the last century.

Tyler Cowen, man of Capitalism's Final Hours.

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Yes! Wonderful and thank you. Autumn Sep 2015 #1
And the architects of this disaster are still with us ... DirkGently Sep 2015 #2
Dick Cheney was absolutely right about invading Iraq! Human101948 Sep 2015 #28
He changed his mind big time. I remember that video. Angers me so much. madfloridian Sep 2015 #32
He didn't changed his mind he changed what he was saying. snort Sep 2015 #60
What was most to Halliburton's advantage? Two different options at two two different times. maddiemom Sep 2015 #61
Exactly! His PNAC compatriots decided to change the script. Raster Sep 2015 #82
Well that just makes it worse, doesn't it. DirkGently Sep 2015 #38
That's what happens when you don't prosecute War Criminals, they sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #75
Well said! N/T AikidoSoul Sep 2015 #86
"Blair Democrats, Ready for Battle" by Will Marshall PPI/DLC madfloridian Sep 2015 #3
"the cost has been too great" < I don't think the costs have even started yet. There is a big jtuck004 Sep 2015 #4
You are right about stuff coming. madfloridian Sep 2015 #5
"There is a big war ahead" - it looks that way. bananas Sep 2015 #51
Actually, there have been several good counts. Stevepol Sep 2015 #6
Think Saddam said something to that effect PatrynXX Sep 2015 #7
And when you bring up the litany of chaos gratuitous Sep 2015 #27
Dem Establishment in 2016 puts up a candidate who voted to authorize the travesty Dems to Win Sep 2015 #8
/\_/\_This right here_/\_/\ Scuba Sep 2015 #47
IMO, that vote alone should disqualifying that anyone who supported the war from ladjf Sep 2015 #88
That Puts It In Perspective For Me! NonMetro Sep 2015 #57
Welcome to DU Dems to Win Sep 2015 #65
This! nt Javaman Sep 2015 #77
I agree, but for me the turning point was the stolen election of 2000. Rex Sep 2015 #9
we didnt stand up to bold theft reddread Sep 2015 #12
We could go back to Nixon and Ford. Rex Sep 2015 #14
post 96 telecomm deregulation? reddread Sep 2015 #18
+1 nt abelenkpe Sep 2015 #16
The Congressional Black Caucus STOOD UP to protest the THEFT. bvar22 Sep 2015 #17
Thank you, that is true only ONE group did stand up. Rex Sep 2015 #19
+ Eighty Gazillion Scuba Sep 2015 #48
Absolutely. NEVER forget. Nt navarth Sep 2015 #53
Ditto. That's my turning point event also lunatica Sep 2015 #21
And both the USA and the world are far from done paying jwirr Sep 2015 #10
I can't forget that video of Wes Clark telling about the 7 countries we would invade. madfloridian Sep 2015 #36
Think in terms of the oil barrons. By destablizing the ME jwirr Sep 2015 #56
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MadFla, you're back!!!!! hedda_foil Sep 2015 #13
.... madfloridian Sep 2015 #35
One of the ironies that struck me.... dougolat Sep 2015 #15
Yes, the protests never made the media here at all. madfloridian Sep 2015 #37
Kicked and recommended to the Max! Enthusiast Sep 2015 #20
But Yet... jaxind Sep 2015 #22
Excellent post madfloridian malaise Sep 2015 #23
Your last sentence. madfloridian Sep 2015 #24
So Very True Ellie MP Sep 2015 #81
Welcometo DU Ellie MP malaise Sep 2015 #87
I was going to say the OP is stating the obvious ... Martin Eden Sep 2015 #25
It is the reason IS troops are as brutal and inhuman as they are WDIM Sep 2015 #26
Agree. madfloridian Sep 2015 #33
Disagree. malthaussen Sep 2015 #63
Also it does not help when your occupying force leaves behind guns, ammo, armored vehicles Rex Sep 2015 #70
"Anti-war protesters were right. Iraq invasion has led to chaos." LiberalLovinLug Sep 2015 #29
Won't happen here. madfloridian Sep 2015 #49
Little ole me, I still despair I couldn't stop it. joanbarnes Sep 2015 #30
I know what you mean. We really thought we could make a difference. madfloridian Sep 2015 #43
"Call Congress right fucking now!" has become a reality instead of a tag line! CTyankee Sep 2015 #31
And we are Ichigo Kurosaki Sep 2015 #34
K&R Excellent post and thread. nt JEB Sep 2015 #39
Kick! !! FloriTexan Sep 2015 #40
This shit has been going on at least since Vietnam. JEB Sep 2015 #41
Refugees left Iraq early during US raids on their cities. madfloridian Sep 2015 #42
Yep, we Officially Screwed the Pooch dzhuboi Sep 2015 #44
Yes, seems we did that. madfloridian Sep 2015 #45
Events Leading Up to the 2003 Invasion of Iraq...interesting timeline madfloridian Sep 2015 #46
...! KoKo Sep 2015 #69
The BFEE has turned out to be... freebrew Sep 2015 #50
This is the most disturbing aspect: Smarmie Doofus Sep 2015 #52
The same crew, Third Way Dems and repubs, will do it all again when the war drums Zorra Sep 2015 #54
"The commentators who cheered on the conflict...are still feted" I hate liars Sep 2015 #55
Thanks for making the effort....They need to hear and have KoKo Sep 2015 #71
Perpetual war for profit against a nebulous enemy. raouldukelives Sep 2015 #58
What I cannot figure out is why the Europeans are being so nice . . FairWinds Sep 2015 #59
Let's not forget the Brits helped out too d_legendary1 Sep 2015 #64
At some point, one has to ask who profits. malthaussen Sep 2015 #62
PNAC. This entire warzone played out on paper for Cheney and his crew. Rex Sep 2015 #72
Chaos indeed, it gives those of US saidsimplesimon Sep 2015 #66
I kinda hate being right this time Bucky Sep 2015 #67
Chaos was the least of it. avaistheone1 Sep 2015 #68
as usual KG Sep 2015 #73
Project for a New American Century should be all the evidence anyone needs to convict Cheney Rex Sep 2015 #74
Rebuilding America's Defenses Raster Sep 2015 #83
Fantastic article. ForgoTheConsequence Sep 2015 #76
Ah, yes, those antiwar protests that were blacked out all over America. nt valerief Sep 2015 #78
Said it then, I'll say it again, "You can start a war, but you can't just stop it." L. Coyote Sep 2015 #79
There was never going to be any attempt to stop this war. Never. Raster Sep 2015 #84
It was supposed to be, in their crackpot plans, a quick and dirty conquest. The $$$$$ would be in WinkyDink Sep 2015 #91
Well, yes, that too, however, cheney*/bush* knew (well cheney*knew, bush* muddled through it... Raster Sep 2015 #92
I still beg to differ. They built the US's largest embasssy ever in Iraq. I think they wanted an WinkyDink Sep 2015 #95
I don't think we differ that much. Yes, we built the world's largest, most hardened embassy in Iraq Raster Sep 2015 #96
Heh---Your allusion to Puerto Rico got me thinking of "West Side Story." "I like to be in the WinkyDink Sep 2015 #103
Middle East Side Story! Raster Sep 2015 #104
Yes! WinkyDink Sep 2015 #105
One of the reasons I don't want to give Hillary the keys to the car. PassingFair Sep 2015 #80
Thank you for this excellent post, Madfloridian The Blue Flower Sep 2015 #85
Iraq seems to be a major cause, especially regarding Kurds and Iran ... JustABozoOnThisBus Sep 2015 #89
Yet another "N S, S" moment for the media to take note of, too little, too late. WinkyDink Sep 2015 #90
Gee. So many of the people who said the war was good are still on TV. Octafish Sep 2015 #93
..... madfloridian Sep 2015 #94
Recycled Reactionaries R Them Octafish Sep 2015 #98
Wow, great info. madfloridian Sep 2015 #100
Per the way it's all currently structured, there is no profit in peace. Raster Sep 2015 #97
Have you read Tyler Cowen, Raster? Octafish Sep 2015 #99
I remember how anthropologists who understood the region tried to be heard... polichick Sep 2015 #101
It is exactly why we stopped at the Kuwait-Iraq border in early 1991. roamer65 Sep 2015 #102
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