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cascadiance

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32. Those are good questions too. But Kerry failed to really challenge that treatment...
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 05:32 PM
Sep 2015

... in the way he should have had he been the leader we needed to reverse the problems we have with our party and the corporate influences that are becoming the cancer that it is killing it.

Of course he didn't deserve the treatment he got. And likely the corporate media didn't give enough attention to the manipulative game the swift boaters and their enablers were playing (which arguably included the media, and perhaps even some elements of the Democratic Party itself who are more loyal to corporate enablers than the party's constituency).

But as I noted before, I think even after defeat, he could have done the country and our government good by taking down the swift boaters in a lawsuit afterward, to expose and point out this kind of game that was going on, so that perhaps we could have found more ways to shut those kind of games down in the future, instead of allowing its success to enable other strategies by Koch Brothers and other corporatist entities later. Make the swift boaters PAY for their Bull Sh*t, and perhaps that would be also a signal to otherwise participating in such efforts that they could pay a price personally too.

I think if Bernie gets swift boated in a similar fashion, he won't go down without a fight and will fight with the spirit of not just "profiting" from such efforts financially in a law suit, but to make sure the system isn't enabled to play those games. I'm confident we need someone like him to fight that fight, that we really haven't had in my lifetime of candidates.

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No. We've got perfectly good candidates already. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2015 #1
Bernie Sanders will be the nominee peacebird Sep 2015 #2
I'll pass. Voted for Iraq and said he would've invaded if he'd been president. arcane1 Sep 2015 #3
He never said he would have invaded had he been President - in fact, he said many many times that karynnj Sep 2015 #16
I'm referring to October 2004 arcane1 Sep 2015 #20
I took it far more conditionally karynnj Sep 2015 #24
Why would we want someone that doesn't even try defend himself appropriately against swift boaters? cascadiance Sep 2015 #4
Point well taken. n/t jaysunb Sep 2015 #8
Why didn't a Democratic party defend him with even half the strength they showed karynnj Sep 2015 #19
Those are good questions too. But Kerry failed to really challenge that treatment... cascadiance Sep 2015 #32
I don't think so JustAnotherGen Sep 2015 #5
Per his personal request, I have held on to my Veterans for Kerry button Siwsan Sep 2015 #6
Joe Biden is not viable? Brother Buzz Sep 2015 #7
No. HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #9
Look! Another YES voter on the Iraq War being pushed by the Establishment! Dems to Win Sep 2015 #10
Individual DUers are now the EstablishmentŪ? Renew Deal Sep 2015 #22
I can personally assure you jaysunb is not the Establishment! ellisonz Sep 2015 #25
Agreed Dems to Win Sep 2015 #30
LOL ! One never know. Do one ? :) jaysunb Sep 2015 #41
Don't go turning on us now! ;-) ellisonz Sep 2015 #46
Oh HELL to the no! Daemonaquila Sep 2015 #11
He ran a terrible campaign. smirkymonkey Sep 2015 #15
Yes, he's an effective Senator and SOS. Daemonaquila Sep 2015 #18
John Kerry is 71 and his wife is unwell. MADem Sep 2015 #12
Biden is the first fall back candidate and then perhaps Kerry Gothmog Sep 2015 #13
Define how and why he's not "viable". That is a corporate media label... cascadiance Sep 2015 #28
Why don't you explain how Sanders would be viable in a general election debate Gothmog Sep 2015 #34
I think the number one issue of ALL Americans, NOT just Democrats is corporate crony corruption... cascadiance Sep 2015 #37
So you have no answer to my question Gothmog Sep 2015 #39
Why was Obama any more "viable" at this point than Hillary was then? cascadiance Sep 2015 #40
What a sad and wrong response Gothmog Sep 2015 #47
Why in a democracy is it SAD to not want someone to be FORCED to engaged in corruption to be viable? cascadiance Sep 2015 #50
Words have meanings. Gothmog Sep 2015 #54
k&r avaistheone1 Sep 2015 #48
I feel like I am at a balloon festival today. Possible candidates floating all around me. djean111 Sep 2015 #14
LOL...no. Iggo Sep 2015 #17
That would be a disaster Renew Deal Sep 2015 #21
Secretary Kerry has too many important things to do as Secretary of State karynnj Sep 2015 #23
The anti-Hillary people will say he has a much "blood dripping from his hands" as Hillary... brooklynite Sep 2015 #26
I say, please, please, please let Kerry and Biden both join the race! Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #27
If we're dipping into the former candidate political vault, I'd vastly prefer Gore Blasphemer Sep 2015 #29
I'd love the alternative to be someone under 70 BeyondGeography Sep 2015 #31
I say I agree with Howard Dean DFW Sep 2015 #33
I can't disagree with your reasoning. jaysunb Sep 2015 #42
I agree Blasphemer Sep 2015 #45
Part of the problem is that the new corporatist leadership has kept out progressive options that age cascadiance Sep 2015 #52
No Progressive gets past Debbie Dino if she can possibly help it. n/t djean111 Sep 2015 #53
in a word olddots Sep 2015 #35
And I hear John Edwards is free. philosslayer Sep 2015 #36
LOL ! Yeah, Jake, that's all we need right now. N/t jaysunb Sep 2015 #43
No thanks. Kerry and especially Biden have even less plausible deniability of "being tricked" than TheKentuckian Sep 2015 #38
The media hate him Hydraulico Sep 2015 #44
Shall we not start brokering conventions before the first primary has been had? Betty Karlson Sep 2015 #49
Please dear god no rjsquirrel Sep 2015 #51
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