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82. More should want to be coaches.

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How do we convince fewer people to teach at the college/university level? [View all] Recursion Sep 2015 OP

The beter question is how do we get universities to pay teachers what they're worth. rug Sep 2015 #1

+1000 nt abelenkpe Sep 2015 #2

No kidding! redstatebluegirl Sep 2015 #4

Thank you. Well said. crazylikafox Sep 2015 #15

The corporatization of the university hifiguy Sep 2015 #20

That's very simple: reduce the number of people willing to do it Recursion Sep 2015 #6

I imagine it depends on one's priorities-- an educated populace, or fewer teachers on SNAP LanternWaste Sep 2015 #10

Western Europe strictly limits who can go to college Recursion Sep 2015 #50

Both statements can't be true. cheapdate Sep 2015 #53

That counts their trade school system Recursion Sep 2015 #55

It says under 'Technical universities and universities of the applied sciences" cheapdate Sep 2015 #56

Apparently it's changed since I lived there Recursion Sep 2015 #58

A good friend of mine lived there in the 1990s. cheapdate Sep 2015 #59

65% of Americans go to college; about 30% graduate Recursion Sep 2015 #60

That's not true anymore in Germany Nevernose Sep 2015 #77

Don't get a job as an adjunct yeoman6987 Sep 2015 #52

You mustn't be in liberal arts a la izquierda Sep 2015 #67

Sounds like you are on your way. I really wish more were like you yeoman6987 Sep 2015 #73

Fluffy? Adrahil Sep 2015 #80

Liberal arts are a choice that students make yeoman6987 Sep 2015 #81

Bah... you miss the point. Adrahil Sep 2015 #83

I actually agree with you yeoman6987 Sep 2015 #84

That's completely fair. Adrahil Sep 2015 #86

So true yeoman6987 Sep 2015 #87

I think college loans should go through the same due diligence as mortgages. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2015 #3

So, my most conservative friends love that one Recursion Sep 2015 #8

I think college is hugely exploitive. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2015 #11

The notion that an 18 yo can realistically sign on to 100K of debt is simply absurd Recursion Sep 2015 #12

Of debt NOT DISCHARGEABLE in bankruptcy! nt tblue37 Sep 2015 #85

That's another thing: if it's non-dischargeable, it's not *actually* debt, it's equity (nt) Recursion Sep 2015 #88

Yeah. Like that will work. hunter Sep 2015 #30

With student loan default rates as high as they are lumberjack_jeff Sep 2015 #40

Not the same MichMan Sep 2015 #36

No, I mean "likely to be repaid". lumberjack_jeff Sep 2015 #39

Except you don't know MichMan Sep 2015 #41

The opposite of "discriminate" is indiscriminate. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2015 #45

And then nobody gets an education. backscatter712 Sep 2015 #70

Is 12 years of public education inadequate? Perhaps. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2015 #75

Observing the ignorance of the general population... hunter Sep 2015 #5

LOL. How do we convince fewer people to wash dishes? Cal Carpenter Sep 2015 #7

Well, if higher wages for dishwashers was a social priority, that would be a valid question Recursion Sep 2015 #9

Is there one iota of evidence for that last statement ? eppur_se_muova Sep 2015 #13

Sure. Compare the number of articles about adjuncts on SNAP with the number of articles Recursion Sep 2015 #14

I frequently see articles about people with full time jobs, often at Walmart or Fast Food, who need Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #16

Well the question here was "dishwashers" Recursion Sep 2015 #17

I see the desire to avoid the contextually relevant is still a strength of yours. LanternWaste Sep 2015 #33

The concern is as fake as the problem, which does not exist. Rex Sep 2015 #24

Why is that your question? kiva Sep 2015 #18

A living wage for instructors will mean fewer of them Recursion Sep 2015 #19

Obvious is still obvious CreekDog Sep 2015 #38

They still need the teachers to teach the classes. That need hasn't gone away riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #44

The issue is the number of people who are willing to adjunct for less Recursion Sep 2015 #49

Thats the same situation for fast food workers riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #65

Add to the pile of obvious CreekDog Sep 2015 #21

Increase tuition by one thousand percent annually. Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #22

What a really stupid question I would expect a republican to ask. Rex Sep 2015 #23

That's easy - lower the pay, then fewer will want the job. JustABozoOnThisBus Sep 2015 #25

No that is exactly what answer he/she wants. Rex Sep 2015 #26

No, that's happened for 20 years now and it hasn't "worked" Recursion Sep 2015 #48

Simple. Lots of news stories about how poorly colleges pay. kwassa Sep 2015 #27

True that. teenagebambam Sep 2015 #31

Maybe colleges ought to include that article with promotional materials for incoming freshmen. n/t lumberjack_jeff Sep 2015 #66

How about we change labor laws to even pay adjuncts for actual work put into a course JCMach1 Sep 2015 #28

Same here, I could not believe how stagnant wages are after decades of progress. Rex Sep 2015 #35

The IRS has already determined teenagebambam Sep 2015 #42

Why on earth would you chose to be an adjunct? yeoman6987 Sep 2015 #54

A short history lesson on Higher-Ed hiring... JCMach1 Sep 2015 #29

One of the places I teach teenagebambam Sep 2015 #32

I was lucky enough to work overseas for most of the last 15yrs... JCMach1 Sep 2015 #34

I have a friend who did the same davidpdx Sep 2015 #47

The problem is states are decreasing funding tammywammy Sep 2015 #37

One of the huge problems with higher education Snobblevitch Sep 2015 #43

Not in the humanities or arts/sciences, which generally have the most students at universities. a la izquierda Sep 2015 #69

The problem is not with trying to convince people to not be academics davidpdx Sep 2015 #46

There aren't too many professors. There are too many adjuncts, because PatrickforO Sep 2015 #51

ZERO recommends CreekDog Sep 2015 #57

"Well, the world needs ditch diggers, too" - Judge Smails cheapdate Sep 2015 #61

They get paid much more than adjuncts Recursion Sep 2015 #62

It varies a lot.... cheapdate Sep 2015 #63

Oy. Adjunct ditch digging Recursion Sep 2015 #64

The old "ditch digger" just used his muscles and a shovel. backscatter712 Sep 2015 #68

The better question is how do we reduce inequality within the profession YoungDemCA Sep 2015 #71

Divide and conquer. Complain about the professors, but not GOP defunding of public education? Why? greatlaurel Sep 2015 #72

Before we do that, let's discuss the university endowment! yeoman6987 Sep 2015 #74

Another divide and conquer post. Good GOP talking point. Thanks for pointing it out for us. greatlaurel Sep 2015 #76

Thank goodness for trash thread chervilant Sep 2015 #78

We're doing it. Orsino Sep 2015 #79

More should want to be coaches. moondust Sep 2015 #82