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alcibiades_mystery

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34. Air pollution kills and injures people, let's be clear

Wed Sep 23, 2015, 10:15 AM

Sep 2015

Moreover, there is a qualitative difference between being hesitant and - yes - immoral in acknowledging and addressing a design flaw (Toyota and GM) and explicitly designing in a deception device. Whatever GM's faults in the ignition switch case (and they are legion, to be sure), GM's management and engineers did not deliberately design a murderous ignition switch. Volkswagen did, in fact, intentionally design a murderous emissions test mask. Air pollution kills and injures people. They didn't care.

As for the workers, it is, of course, a good point. I hope that we are willing to extend the same consideration to all the innocent people who stand as collateral damage in typical criminal sentencing, like the families of the convicted and the like.

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Volkswagen should be banned from selling cars in the United States [View all] alcibiades_mystery Sep 2015 OP

And they can reimburse me for that piece of shit Rabbit I bought once upon a time NV Whino Sep 2015 #1

You, too? WinkyDink Sep 2015 #7

Afraid so NV Whino Sep 2015 #11

OMG. MINE, TOO! Luckily, it was on a local street, as the day before I was on Philly's Schuylkill-- WinkyDink Sep 2015 #43

My mechanic finally figured that one out NV Whino Sep 2015 #47

I had a Rabbit once Art_from_Ark Sep 2015 #48

My parents had a 77 and 79 rabbit. ileus Sep 2015 #19

Same here NV Whino Sep 2015 #39

Same here. What a POS that Rabbit was. Absolute POS. n/t RKP5637 Sep 2015 #26

My sister had a Rabbit convertible it was awesome, she drove it for years snooper2 Sep 2015 #40

We Had RobinA Sep 2015 #41

I would settle for criminal indictments and let the marketplace decide when all the evidence is Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #2

And does this kind of deception, or other unknown deceptions, just stop at VW? malaise Sep 2015 #3

Yep, it's all over the place. VW got caught. What should happen is the MF's at the top RKP5637 Sep 2015 #28

Money trumps people PowerToThePeople Sep 2015 #44

Endorsed by Dumbya malaise Sep 2015 #46

You are foolish if you think VW is the only one doing this davidn3600 Sep 2015 #4

All the big truck companies got caught in '98 Mnpaul Sep 2015 #6

The CEO should be sentenced to jail time. At least 10 years before parole. madinmaryland Sep 2015 #5

Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!! Corporate Immunity needs to go. Execs need to be held accountable when they RKP5637 Sep 2015 #29

Agreed. But would Germany allow extradition? Lizzie Poppet Sep 2015 #38

Yeah, let's just fuck over the thousands of people working in their factories and dealerships name not needed Sep 2015 #8

You're right--they ARE too big to fail. Orrex Sep 2015 #17

And the lesson to do over and over will be learned by all who profited One_Life_To_Give Sep 2015 #20

So let the execs who 'knowingly" did this do some time. Don't punish the guys on the shop floor. Gidney N Cloyd Sep 2015 #9

What about the boy? ryan_cats Sep 2015 #10

No this will just hurt the workers Sam_Fields Sep 2015 #12

They are (at least temporarily) Sgent Sep 2015 #13

Is that for their diesel cars only? B Calm Sep 2015 #16

That's only the diesel models. n/t tammywammy Sep 2015 #23

Then one would have to ban pretty much ALL the manufactures from selling cars here, ALL have been YabaDabaNoDinoNo Sep 2015 #14

Changing behavior requires something other than rewarding bad behavior. One_Life_To_Give Sep 2015 #24

Well until our current form of government is changed nothing will change and corporations YabaDabaNoDinoNo Sep 2015 #30

wonder who else is doing this and hasn't been caught yet. hobbit709 Sep 2015 #15

They basically are....who would buy a VW??? ileus Sep 2015 #18

it's a niche brand pstokely Sep 2015 #33

I think the market will take care of that madokie Sep 2015 #21

I'm torn. I LOVE my TDI and the great mileage Lee-Lee Sep 2015 #22

54 mpg is great mileage and you are burning less fuel. Like you B Calm Sep 2015 #25

Why would you have to think twice? philosslayer Sep 2015 #45

Because you would be burning less fuel. . . B Calm Sep 2015 #49

Because it would reduce one type of emmission while increasing another Lee-Lee Sep 2015 #54

The government has determined which is emission is more desirable.. philosslayer Sep 2015 #55

I have said for years... if they want corporate personhood, there needs to be a corporate death JCMach1 Sep 2015 #27

There is it's called Chapter 7 Bankruptcy. n/t PoliticAverse Sep 2015 #51

It was for the good of the shareholders. raouldukelives Sep 2015 #31

Huge fines and prosecution of the perps (with time behind bars) should suffice. geek tragedy Sep 2015 #32

Air pollution kills and injures people, let's be clear alcibiades_mystery Sep 2015 #34

our criminal justice system tends to place zero consideration on the overall geek tragedy Sep 2015 #35

perhaps positive punnishment if there is such a thing dembotoz Sep 2015 #36

If you set the bar that low to determine if a company can do business in the US Glassunion Sep 2015 #37

Of All The Corporate Malfeasance RobinA Sep 2015 #42

I don�t think VW should be banned from selling cars in the US.. okojo Sep 2015 #50

I don't thinnk you have to worry about VW selling cars in the US anymore. napi21 Sep 2015 #52

Only vehicle I buy MichMan Sep 2015 #53