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Hortensis

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49. Noted, Longship. I agree it's an insidious pattern of denial, disagree

Wed Sep 23, 2015, 02:30 PM

Sep 2015

that Pope Francis should be held responsible for a pattern that's been present in thousands of years of social development and is calcified in most of the 10,000 or so religions on this planet, and certainly in the giant Catholic church.

It's very personal, of course, but I'm much more inclined to channel hope for the future than to focus on what is simply not possible at this time.

IMO, in so many ways humanity caught some real luck with this guy. He is a good man, and with him as the Pope we have the potential for real and giant change. He is already working strongly for women. He has spoken many times already in every country he has visited about his followers' moral obligation to wellbeing of women. Of course every society will interpret that duty in its own ways. One step at a time.

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I'm so happy the Pope is here. [View all] mmonk Sep 2015 OP

Next week everyone will have forgotten he was even here snooper2 Sep 2015 #1

Hope not and actually doubt it. mmonk Sep 2015 #3

Snooper, 22% of all Americans are Catholic, and he also speaks to the Hortensis Sep 2015 #18

his spiritual leadership reaches many Americans who are not Christian or people of faith at all. AlbertCat Sep 2015 #24

One does not need to wear a label to hear. Bernie is not a Hortensis Sep 2015 #33

keep this image in your mind when he speaks to Congress: Jesus driving the money lenders roguevalley Sep 2015 #38

How about I keep it in mind when I to go the polls? Driving the Hortensis Sep 2015 #57

Everyone except Bernie Sanders & his millions of supporters. 99th_Monkey Sep 2015 #5

Yes, all Pope now treestar Sep 2015 #61

But he supports restrictions on women's health care and LBGT rights. longship Sep 2015 #2

To disregard the issues I bring up won't help in those areas. mmonk Sep 2015 #4

"Look at the big picture." Brickbat Sep 2015 #7

I AM looking at the big picture. longship Sep 2015 #9

+ 1 greatauntoftriplets Sep 2015 #10

Not just going to hell but he thinks lgbt people shouldn't marry or have children either. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #12

The Gay issue is moving ahead quite nicely. mmonk Sep 2015 #13

The gay issue? In what way is the Church 'moving ahead quite nicely'? Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #25

People here believe all Catholics are a monolith. mmonk Sep 2015 #23

I agree. Catholics are not a monolith. It is the Vatican that is the monolith. longship Sep 2015 #26

To disregard the issues I bring up won't help in those areas. Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #27

And to deny the economic injustices and environmental injustices, the same. mmonk Sep 2015 #32

I'm sorry, I thought we were talking about the Pope? Not "All Catholics"? gcomeau Sep 2015 #39

Thank you. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #28

+infinity (nt) LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #30

Women's basic rights are always trivialized as side issues. Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #11

so the rights of over half the population are not part of the "big picture"??? seriously?????? niyad Sep 2015 #16

Women are a majority of this country. That is the big picture. nt. NCTraveler Sep 2015 #54

The fundamental right to birth control IS an economic issue alarimer Sep 2015 #56

Get with the program. Women don't matter. Codeine Sep 2015 #14

Yeah, that is what I said though I didn't. mmonk Sep 2015 #20

Longship, these things are not black and white. We are all our Hortensis Sep 2015 #19

Let me correct myself. longship Sep 2015 #37

Noted, Longship. I agree it's an insidious pattern of denial, disagree Hortensis Sep 2015 #49

Sounds like a perfectly accurate representation of his position. gcomeau Sep 2015 #41

While I agree that, like President Obama, who has evolved on LGBT issues, the Pope has a ChisolmTrailDem Sep 2015 #21

+1000 nt LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #29

K&R - I'm loving the Pope emphatic -- albeit tacit -- endorsement of Bernie's platform -nt- 99th_Monkey Sep 2015 #6

Yep. mmonk Sep 2015 #8

He is most active politically in areas in which he agrees with Republicans, anti LGBT and anti woman Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #15

Actually, I disagree. Our monastics are still active on acceptance. I'm a Franciscan Lay person. mmonk Sep 2015 #17

So you actually think you can cite his moral authority on some things while claiming he is a crock Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #22

You have a strange opinion on reality. mmonk Sep 2015 #42

We've moved ryan_cats Sep 2015 #31

Which scandal? Sexual abuse? Anti-vaxx nuttery? The AIDS epidemic? PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #34

Here's the spin: 'Hey Democrats reject his ideas about abortion and gay marriage so obviously they Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #35

...while at the same time speaking against abortion and LGBT rights. Deadshot Sep 2015 #36

And supporting anti-vaxx bishops responsible for killing millions. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #40

I think the pope is basically a fascist who .. ananda Sep 2015 #43

Yup. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #46

Then you don't understand fascism. mmonk Sep 2015 #52

I think it is important to understand that forms of socialism ... ananda Sep 2015 #55

The Vatican IS a combination of Government and Business, AND Religion! cleanhippie Sep 2015 #59

Every waking second he's here results in a net erosion of the Right's fake Christian pose. Orsino Sep 2015 #44

Thank you for a sober assessment. mmonk Sep 2015 #45

Wouldn't it be nice if in the next election cycle... Orsino Sep 2015 #47

Yes! the false premise that they do will evaporate. Progressive values can advance. mmonk Sep 2015 #50

Me, too. Throwing a lotta real moral authority at the fakes. ancianita Sep 2015 #48

If only he would get his shit together as to the LGBT community. But yes, he is so much randys1 Sep 2015 #51

Republican reaction rsexaminer Sep 2015 #53

I see a lot of my normal allies mmonk Sep 2015 #58

True, he does not have political capital to lose treestar Sep 2015 #60