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bluestateguy

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73. Self-defense HAS to be part of any any-bullying strategy

Reply to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Sep 25, 2015, 01:04 PM

Sep 2015

Kids can't be suspended by brain-dead school administrators for defending themselves or a classmate from a bully.

I had a middle school friend who was suspended for physically defending himself from a bully (his father took the day off and took him to the pizza parlor and the arcade to play video games during his suspension day).

Anyway, it's all fine and good to demand that bullies be disciplined by the school. I'm for that. I'm also for holding accountable and demand that administrators put bullying to a stop and take proactive measures. I'm for that too.

But when a kid is being physically assaulted by a bully, he has the right as a human being, to defend himself with his fists.

Sometimes a bloody nose is the best lesson a bully can get.

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High school teen who defended a blind classmate who was being beaten by a bully is SUSPENDED [View all] Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 OP

Our Grandson had a similiar issue. Wellstone ruled Sep 2015 #1

"Zero tolerance" BS Recursion Sep 2015 #2

Exactly What I Was Thinking! ProfessorGAC Sep 2015 #11

Zero tolerance policies should be unconstitutional. Initech Sep 2015 #78

Zero Tolerance. Brought to you by the WOD. Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #92

I think this would fall under 'crime of passion' Are_grits_groceries Sep 2015 #3

Zero Tolerance Idiocy sharp_stick Sep 2015 #4

ZT is more like 30-40 years old and we've been seeing the consequences for 15-20 Pacifist Patriot Sep 2015 #40

it's legal and morally right marym625 Sep 2015 #5

His parents have just hit the lottery. Lawsuit city. closeupready Sep 2015 #6

No, they really haven't. jeff47 Sep 2015 #15

zero-tolerance means school is liable for the blind kid getting beaten. KittyWampus Sep 2015 #22

Only if they don't enforce the policy on the bully. jeff47 Sep 2015 #23

I wonder if the bully learned his lesson yuiyoshida Sep 2015 #53

I expect he'll be like most bullies, and blame the victim for the bully's actions. (nt) jeff47 Sep 2015 #61

Unfortunately you are right sarisataka Sep 2015 #27

Oh yes they do - they'll find something to sue on, and win. closeupready Sep 2015 #31

:eyes: jeff47 Sep 2015 #41

Okay. You aren't here to have a discussion. Got it. closeupready Sep 2015 #47

Because claiming any "my feelings got hurt" lawsuit wins in CA jeff47 Sep 2015 #63

California law does not require physical symptoms to be present in either an Glassunion Sep 2015 #74

Enablers. lpbk2713 Sep 2015 #7

No, we force them to be robots. jeff47 Sep 2015 #17

+1,000,000 yeoman6987 Sep 2015 #97

don't know how well these things work but OriginalGeek Sep 2015 #8

I updated my OP to include your post. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #10

Happy to help OriginalGeek Sep 2015 #16

Zero tolerance idiocy strikes once again romanic Sep 2015 #9

"treating the ableist bully like a victim" Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #12

and the bully was promptly released to his parents. I don't see anywhere where it said that niyad Sep 2015 #43

Ten bucks says this bully grows up to be a police officer... n/t backscatter712 Sep 2015 #58

quite likely niyad Sep 2015 #62

No suspension mentioned could just be the reporting. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #100

you make excellent points. niyad Sep 2015 #115

I don't think the school is right. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2015 #13

I did not read anywhere that the attacker was suspended. He was arrested and then released. LiberalArkie Sep 2015 #14

Well, in third grade I got into a fight with another kid who was bullying the class "retard" malthaussen Sep 2015 #18

Won't anyone think of the children!!!?!?!!1!!! Glassunion Sep 2015 #19

Had a similar situation 4Q2u2 Sep 2015 #20

They Don't Get To Have An Opinion On Your Answer ProfessorGAC Sep 2015 #24

Can never go wrong Fishing your Child 4Q2u2 Sep 2015 #25

I Get Ya! ProfessorGAC Sep 2015 #35

Now Now 4Q2u2 Sep 2015 #85

Sorry ProfessorGAC Sep 2015 #99

I had a similar situation with a better outcome. Pacifist Patriot Sep 2015 #46

Both boys were suspended 4Q2u2 Sep 2015 #83

The Administrators should be held accountable for allowing blind kid to get beaten. KittyWampus Sep 2015 #21

EVERY adult, teacher, janitor, secretary who saw it yet didn't intervene is culpable HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #39

And that is why cloudbase Sep 2015 #104

One size fits all also eliminates the need to make judgements HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #105

My youngest son is visually impaired--legally blind--the one who is now a grad student mnhtnbb Sep 2015 #26

THEATRE KID HERE, now mother of THEATRE major. elehhhhna Sep 2015 #114

Outrageous. SoapBox Sep 2015 #28

Wow damnedifIknow Sep 2015 #29

No good deed goes unpunished. magical thyme Sep 2015 #30

I'm having that engraved on my urn. Pacifist Patriot Sep 2015 #48

That kid can play on my team ANY DAY !!!! nt clarice Sep 2015 #32

So did the bully get suspended for beating on a blind kid? Rex Sep 2015 #33

I'm torn here. cwydro Sep 2015 #34

I bet this is not the first time this has happened dbackjon Sep 2015 #44

I agree. cwydro Sep 2015 #55

Agreed - but with some people talking does nothing dbackjon Sep 2015 #56

I was bullied as a child. cwydro Sep 2015 #66

Possible he has been bullied himself dbackjon Sep 2015 #69

That's my thought also. cwydro Sep 2015 #71

Shoving him to the side would be a form of violence; glad the bully got to feel the pain he was glowing Sep 2015 #45

Indeed, that is my take also. uppityperson Sep 2015 #90

It all makes me so sad. cwydro Sep 2015 #91

Unfair zero-tolerance crap. Back when I was a kid... MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 #36

Hmm, will he get a White House invite? Microsoft swag? riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #37

Zero tolerance TNNurse Sep 2015 #38

Unfortunately, given the quality of the people they hire, it's not a bad assessment Demeter Sep 2015 #54

I don't see where the bully who was beating up on the visually disabled kid was suspended. niyad Sep 2015 #42

IF not, then the school is showing favoritism under a zero tolerance rule. Rex Sep 2015 #49

Many School Districts while having anti-bullying policies, do not enforce them and often punish Dont call me Shirley Sep 2015 #50

Zero tolerance garbage. backscatter712 Sep 2015 #51

Some shitheads just need a savage beating. Nothing else gets through to them. backscatter712 Sep 2015 #52

+1000000000000 dbackjon Sep 2015 #57

I agree. Absolutely! n/t radicalliberal Sep 2015 #64

+100000000000000000000000 Initech Sep 2015 #79

More zero tolerance lunacy LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #59

If I were the principal of that school, I would have given Cody a medal. radicalliberal Sep 2015 #60

That'll teach him not to intervene on behalf of a blind kid being bullied. Orrex Sep 2015 #65

defense is NOT the same as counter-attack hfojvt Sep 2015 #67

What nonsense, so YOU would let a blind kid get beat up to stay out of trouble. Rex Sep 2015 #76

actually I have broken up a fight hfojvt Sep 2015 #101

Not as much of a game as hockey. Events like these are important in people's lives. Red Mountain Sep 2015 #111

Hmmm.... Disinterested Party Sep 2015 #82

Your logic does not follow... Glassunion Sep 2015 #88

if you take a swing at me hfojvt Sep 2015 #103

And we wonder why this happens later in life: HughBeaumont Sep 2015 #68

I hope there's a gofundme Prism Sep 2015 #70

If a student had to step in to stop a public assault on a disabled child LittleBlue Sep 2015 #72

Self-defense HAS to be part of any any-bullying strategy bluestateguy Sep 2015 #73

Wouldn't zero tolerance rules just lead to people standing by not intervening when a crime occurs? abelenkpe Sep 2015 #75

Yes, it is a dumb as shit policy but the authoritarian/control freaks love it. Rex Sep 2015 #77

Zero tolerance for people who dare to stand up for the disabled. Lancero Sep 2015 #80

Is there another source? hollysmom Sep 2015 #81

A nice vacation for him taught_me_patience Sep 2015 #84

Yeah... And kicked off the football team, and a suspension in his acedemic record. Glassunion Sep 2015 #95

that happened to my son in grade school lunatica Sep 2015 #86

Of course he was get the red out Sep 2015 #87

The big question is could he, and others, intervened without hitting the bully? uppityperson Sep 2015 #89

Personally I feel the response was appropriate. Glassunion Sep 2015 #94

Good question. I doubt anyone at that (or most) schools are versed in how... Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #96

Nice hit -- down like a sack of oranges. Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #93

Zero tolerance started in 1995 by the Feds. oneshooter Sep 2015 #98

Nothing has ever changed knightmaar Sep 2015 #102

He is a stand up kid libodem Sep 2015 #106

I'm surprised they didn't suspend the blind kid as well d_legendary1 Sep 2015 #107

years ago my then 5th grader took on the school bully defending a smaller classmate dembotoz Sep 2015 #108

Time spent in the penalty box is not all bad. Glassunion Sep 2015 #109

The matter of the student being suspended at Huntington Beach High School has changed mrdmk Sep 2015 #110

Is there anyone who actually supports zero-tolerance? PersonNumber503602 Sep 2015 #112

I support public schools, but many are run by fucking idiots with no common sense davidn3600 Sep 2015 #113

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