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eridani

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53. A $200/month tax beats an $800/month premium any old day.

Fri Sep 25, 2015, 09:02 PM

Sep 2015

If you are going to use the employment argument, then we must also maintain and increase the prison industrial complex. After all, it employs lots of people.

I see no problem with government maintenance of health care records that does not already exist with private medical records--which have already been hacked. We could get Taiwan to show us how to do it--your entire medical history is in your medical ID card there. Same with France--and their system was created by a US company.

Single payer will never be implemented on a national level. What will happen is what happened in Canada. One province gets it, the doctors see their income go up by 2/3, and suddenly all the provinces want it. At that point there will have to be national standards.

Increased utiilization saves lives--that is the whole fucking point of making health care a public good.

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It's the deductibles, stupid!! [View all] eridani Sep 2015 OP

Before Obamacare, health care costs were the most frequent reason people filed for bankruptcy and, merrily Sep 2015 #1

Same situation applies after Obamacare. Most people remain unaware because most people-- eridani Sep 2015 #2

While younger, or ever? merrily Sep 2015 #3

The percentages are for each demographic group eridani Sep 2015 #24

Thank you. merrily Sep 2015 #26

I don't know if it is a state thing, but that is absolutely not true treestar Sep 2015 #18

There are plenty of people who move from a full cost they can't afford to-- eridani Sep 2015 #27

But we have made Big Pharma very happy dougolat Sep 2015 #4

I can answer that last question... Fairgo Sep 2015 #5

"Its not really insurance if you can't afford to use it." LittleGirl Sep 2015 #6

My best wishes Fairgo Sep 2015 #9

Thank you. eom LittleGirl Sep 2015 #10

"If you make a claim, they raise your rates or cancel you all together" progree Sep 2015 #13

thanks for the well wishes LittleGirl Sep 2015 #16

There is a lot of preventive treestar Sep 2015 #19

Almost $4000 for the whole family. Ilsa Sep 2015 #30

Not true. 5% of the people 60-70 years old still account for half the costs of that group eridani Sep 2015 #25

We need single payer. Enthusiast Sep 2015 #7

Medicare also has premiums and deductibles, both pretty high Recursion Sep 2015 #29

Pretty high? Not compared to private insurance! I qualified for Medicare this year, and Lydia Leftcoast Sep 2015 #38

Why everyone can't have this. Recursion Sep 2015 #40

A lot of young people are just paying the fine. yeoman6987 Sep 2015 #51

Obama was concerned about the insurance industry running out of control nationalize the fed Sep 2015 #8

Great post. Unknown Beatle Sep 2015 #12

Max Baucus One_Life_To_Give Sep 2015 #31

DUers were indignant when Dick Cheney met in secret with energy industry types Lydia Leftcoast Sep 2015 #39

Hillary will probably be put in the WH in 2017 to insure that Heritage Ed and Heritage Security Doctor_J Sep 2015 #22

Medicare for all, including dental, optical, hearing aids and mental health services. Scuba Sep 2015 #11

Afford it? ... But... but ... who will think of the corporate executives who Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #21

Health Equity Fairgo Sep 2015 #43

My deductibles AND co-pays went up. a la izquierda Sep 2015 #14

yep Doctor_J Sep 2015 #15

Even with insurance, the true cost of care is a crapshoot Thav Sep 2015 #17

my GF's deductable is so high, it's like not having healthcare at all. Javaman Sep 2015 #20

My sympathies, I'm with you. Kilgore Sep 2015 #33

Here's another Heritage Care story - truly American exceptionalism. Doctor_J Sep 2015 #23

I am on Medicare. SheilaT Sep 2015 #28

Present system has not benefited us at all Kilgore Sep 2015 #32

it's the bronze level that's the killer. Javaman Sep 2015 #34

Gold premieums were just silly. Kilgore Sep 2015 #35

while ACA is a baby step in the right direction... Javaman Sep 2015 #36

It's a step in the wrong direction. Doctor_J Sep 2015 #42

Very good point. Javaman Sep 2015 #44

Single payer still has premiums and deductibles Recursion Sep 2015 #41

Single payer HR 676 has no deductibles, and the premiums are vastly cheaper n/t eridani Sep 2015 #45

And has no dedicated revenue stream Recursion Sep 2015 #47

It certainly does. The fund would be separate from general tax funds. eridani Sep 2015 #48

The fund is separate, only a small portion of its levies are Recursion Sep 2015 #49

10% beats the shit out of the 17% we are currently paying to NOT cover everyone n/t eridani Sep 2015 #50

Well hell I can think of dozens of ideas that are better than our current system Recursion Sep 2015 #52

A $200/month tax beats an $800/month premium any old day. eridani Sep 2015 #53

Hillary has a plan to combat high out of pocket costs, fwiw... ProgressiveCheese Sep 2015 #37

Meaning she'll ask profit takers to be nicer n/t eridani Sep 2015 #46

I refuse to believe wages have gone up 10% KentuckyWoman Sep 2015 #54

I read that and thought, what complete bullshit Skittles Sep 2015 #60

At least this helps us get to single payer Texas Blues Sep 2015 #55

This must happen on a state by state basis. ACA lets us start in 2017 n/t eridani Sep 2015 #59

It really their wages. nt kelliekat44 Sep 2015 #56

Interesting how Jim Messina's strongly connected to this, espec. given his new allegiance suffragette Sep 2015 #57

I did not have a surgery because the out of pocket expenses were out of this world. Zorra Sep 2015 #58