It always cracks me up when people use this as a response to archaic misogynistic doctrine (Reply #59)

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Sat Sep 26, 2015, 09:49 AM

PeaceNikki (27,985 posts)

59. It always cracks me up when people use this as a response to archaic misogynistic doctrine

"No, no, no, just ignore what we think is the bad stuff anyway!!"

That reeks of such privilege and is so selfish I can't stand it. OK, you ignore it and defy the teachings for your own lives while supporting the message and efforts to impose them on a literal global scale. Plus, while you ignore the stuff liberals think is bad, the right ignores the few liberal messages in literally the exact same manner.

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90 replies	Author	Time	Post
The Pope's comments on family and marriage seem very much open to interpretation-WRONG [View all]	Stinky The Clown	Sep 2015	OP
The family is threatened but you claim this is neutral? Do you know what the World Meeting of	Bluenorthwest	Sep 2015	#1
Families aren't the enemy.	LWolf	Sep 2015	#62
There's no evidence that he views anything but families headed by the "complemenatary sexes" as...	Humanist_Activist	Sep 2015	#66
Sure there is.	LWolf	Sep 2015	#69
Pope: marriage between man and woman, no to gender ideology	muriel_volestrangler	Sep 2015	#73
Open door.	LWolf	Sep 2015	#88
Christians, in general, base their life on a Jesus/God of their Bible, through a selective reading..	Humanist_Activist	Sep 2015	#75
I admit	LWolf	Sep 2015	#87
There are other morally objectional things Jesus says or does, but what I'm really puzzled by...	Humanist_Activist	Sep 2015	#89
Well, he has also said that gay adoption is child abuse.	PeaceNikki	Sep 2015	#2
How can any teo people wishing to maaDivorce and child abuse and neglect are greater threatd surely.	JDPriestly	Sep 2015	#8
On second thought, he probably also meant birth control and abortion.	PeaceNikki	Sep 2015	#3
It includes divorce, cohabitation, two working parents, no time for families, etc.	rug	Sep 2015	#4
Since when are any of those problems? At least in a societal context.	Humanist_Activist	Sep 2015	#9
Pay attention.	rug	Sep 2015	#10
And yet he also rants against marriage equality endlessly, not about divorce nor cohabitation	Bluenorthwest	Sep 2015	#11
Actually, he rants against all of them.	rug	Sep 2015	#13
That doesn't really make it better, and I'm glad that mayor is there to challenge the Pope...	Humanist_Activist	Sep 2015	#15
So am I.	rug	Sep 2015	#17
No its not threatened, and those "causes" are people's choices, do you want to remove said choices?	Humanist_Activist	Sep 2015	#12
The hell it isn't. Read a few CPS files and you'll see the causes.	rug	Sep 2015	#14
You were listing symptoms, and possible symptoms, not causes...	Humanist_Activist	Sep 2015	#19
Thanks for the personal witness.	rug	Sep 2015	#20
The point being that if they can improve or don't improve family relationships is no one's business.	Humanist_Activist	Sep 2015	#22
Families in crisis are a social concern as well.	rug	Sep 2015	#25
I'm simply mystified as to what you are talking about.	Humanist_Activist	Sep 2015	#38
The Catholic Church has been concerned with economic and public policy issues	pnwmom	Sep 2015	#35
No they didn't, there was no Catholic Church at that time, but again, that's irrelevent...	Humanist_Activist	Sep 2015	#42
Fine. Substitute the words, "followers of Christ." He spoke a great deal about	pnwmom	Sep 2015	#47
Sure they have the right to free speech, but they do not have the right to impose their...	Humanist_Activist	Sep 2015	#49
Most Catholics don't listen to them about those issues, which is why Catholics	pnwmom	Sep 2015	#51
So how do you condone the teachings in places that are not America and rich?	Bluenorthwest	Sep 2015	#53
Oh, stop. That has zero impact on them, so it doesn't matter that Africans are dying!!	PeaceNikki	Sep 2015	#61
Excellent post. Thank you.	nomorenomore08	Sep 2015	#85
It always cracks me up when people use this as a response to archaic misogynistic doctrine	PeaceNikki	Sep 2015	#59
Only because their Church is politically weak enough here to not be able to restrict...	Humanist_Activist	Sep 2015	#68
Also, immigration trends	loyalsister	Sep 2015	#82
A good point.	rug	Sep 2015	#83
World Meeting of Families	Bluenorthwest	Sep 2015	#5
Its called "dog whistle politics", similar to Reagan talking about "Cadillac driving welfare queens"	Humanist_Activist	Sep 2015	#6
Haven't you ever known anyone whose views on LGBT have evolved over the years?	pnwmom	Sep 2015	#36
Where is the evidence that this Pope has evolved on this issue? Has he pulled a George Wallace...	Humanist_Activist	Sep 2015	#44
I think he is far less judgmental than any other Pope I have seen. For me,	pnwmom	Sep 2015	#45
That's an assertion without fact, do you have evidence that he's far less judgemental? n/t	Humanist_Activist	Sep 2015	#60
Good grief. "Assertion without fact." We are talking about religion, religious beliefs,	pnwmom	Sep 2015	#63
His out of context quote about celibate, homosexual priests is NOT relevent...	Humanist_Activist	Sep 2015	#64
Yes, it IS relevant. In context it goes far beyond anything any previous Pope	pnwmom	Sep 2015	#65
Not really, in fact, the Catechism, for all its bigoted language, recognizes that being...	Humanist_Activist	Sep 2015	#67
Why don't you, as a straight person, tell us what to think?	Bluenorthwest	Sep 2015	#7
Why don't you as a gay person think before you speak.	Stinky The Clown	Sep 2015	#27
I'd also like to point out that I first offered an information heavy response which you ignored	Bluenorthwest	Sep 2015	#58
I think, as heterosexuals, it's all too easy for us to minimize the problematic aspects	nomorenomore08	Sep 2015	#86
Dichotomies are everywhere	Stinky The Clown	Sep 2015	#34
Is that supposed to mean something, did the Vatican state that they demoted him because of...	Humanist_Activist	Sep 2015	#50
That story is a year old and not even the truth. I challenge you to offer proof that that man was	Bluenorthwest	Sep 2015	#54
Are you really not sure what he meant?	LostOne4Ever	Sep 2015	#16
No, actually, I'm really not sure	Stinky The Clown	Sep 2015	#18
I didn't villify you	LostOne4Ever	Sep 2015	#23
Agreed, you weren't vilifying me. In fact, I'm sorry that I implied you were.	Stinky The Clown	Sep 2015	#26
He is the Pope now and you are quoting from him when he was a Cardinal.	pnwmom	Sep 2015	#32
His words as Cardinal were very clear and very ugly. To balance that requires very clear support.	Bluenorthwest	Sep 2015	#55
If the Pope actually wants to dial back on the culture war stuff that is good.	bklyncowgirl	Sep 2015	#21
Part of Changing it includes calling the church out on its bigotry	LostOne4Ever	Sep 2015	#24
Your quote is from before he was Pope. How do you know his views haven't evolved	pnwmom	Sep 2015	#29
I could post the entire 'who am I to judge' speech again. It's not pro gay, it's a rant against 'the	Bluenorthwest	Sep 2015	#56
This is so well said...	SidDithers	Sep 2015	#30
Also, Catholic.com is a lay-run, RW site. Try NCRonline.org for a different point of view.	pnwmom	Sep 2015	#33
Here's the pope's own media organisation, quoting him after he became pope:	muriel_volestrangler	Sep 2015	#74
He's worried that the "culture of the temporary" has led many people to give up on marriage	pnwmom	Sep 2015	#76
OK, with emphasis, since you were unable to see it:	muriel_volestrangler	Sep 2015	#77
I think you're reading more to that statement than the statement says.	pnwmom	Sep 2015	#78
Pope warns same-sex marriage 'threatens the family' and 'disfigures God's plan for creation'	muriel_volestrangler	Sep 2015	#79
And I disagree with him on that.	pnwmom	Sep 2015	#80
+1	BuddhaGirl	Sep 2015	#84
I agree. And I thought the ambiguity was deliberate. nt	pnwmom	Sep 2015	#28
I agree. The speech was not a throw-away.	Stinky The Clown	Sep 2015	#31
You'd have to be real naive...	MellowDem	Sep 2015	#37
Well, those words you just spat at me have me convinced.	Stinky The Clown	Sep 2015	#39
An apologist for fucking sure...	MellowDem	Sep 2015	#40
I would suggest you back off dude	CajunBlazer	Sep 2015	#43
And the sanctimonious privilege continues...	MellowDem	Sep 2015	#48
You can't turn an ocean liner around a few feet	CajunBlazer	Sep 2015	#70
So these traditions of the slow ship are like the 'heritage' of the Confederate Flag?	Bluenorthwest	Sep 2015	#81
The kind of post you're responding to is why I'm slowly weaning myself off message boards.	AngryOldDem	Sep 2015	#72
Depends on how you define a "family" (n/t)	CajunBlazer	Sep 2015	#41
No, they really don't...nt	SidDithers	Sep 2015	#46
I appreciate that he didn't mention same sex marriage explicitly.	David__77	Sep 2015	#52
Some reading on the World Meeting of Families mentioned by Francis in the OP:	Bluenorthwest	Sep 2015	#57
Pope McDreamy's PR team is GENIUS!	PeaceNikki	Sep 2015	#71
This pope. Same as the last pope but with a silken mouth	Stinky The Clown	Sep 2015	#90

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