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In reply to the discussion: The Pope's comments on family and marriage seem very much open to interpretation-WRONG [View all]muriel_volestrangler
(101,271 posts)77. OK, with emphasis, since you were unable to see it:
On Monday, Pope Francis addressed a Colloquium being held on the theme The Complementarity of Man and Woman in Marriage.
The Holy Father began his address by dwelling on the word complementarity: a precious word, with multiple meanings. Although complementarity can refer situations where one of two things adds to, completes, or fulfills a lack in the other it also means much more than that. Christians, he said, find its deepest meaning in the first Letter to the Corinthians where Saint Paul tells us that the Spirit has endowed each of us with different gifts so that-just as the human body's members work together for the good of the whole-everyone's gifts can work together for the benefit of each.
Complementarity, the Pope said, is at the root of marriage and family. Although there are tensions in families, the family also provides the framework in which those tensions can be resolved. He said that complementarity should not be confused with a simplistic notion that all the roles and relations of the sexes are fixed in a single, static pattern. Rather, complementarity will take many forms as each man and woman brings his or her distinctive contributions to their marriage and to the formation of their children.
Pope Francis stated frankly, In our day, marriage and the family are in crisis. The culture of the temporary has led many people to give up on marriage as a public commitment. This revolution in manners and morals has often flown the flag of freedom, but in fact it has brought spiritual and material devastation to countless human beings, especially the poorest and most vulnerable. The Pope said that the crisis in the family has produced a crisis of human ecology, similar to the crisis that affects the natural environment. Although the human race has come to understand the need to address conditions that menace our natural environments, we have been slower to recognize that our fragile social environments are under threat as well, slower in our culture, and also in our Catholic Church. It is therefore essential that we foster a new human ecology and advance it.
The Holy Father began his address by dwelling on the word complementarity: a precious word, with multiple meanings. Although complementarity can refer situations where one of two things adds to, completes, or fulfills a lack in the other it also means much more than that. Christians, he said, find its deepest meaning in the first Letter to the Corinthians where Saint Paul tells us that the Spirit has endowed each of us with different gifts so that-just as the human body's members work together for the good of the whole-everyone's gifts can work together for the benefit of each.
Complementarity, the Pope said, is at the root of marriage and family. Although there are tensions in families, the family also provides the framework in which those tensions can be resolved. He said that complementarity should not be confused with a simplistic notion that all the roles and relations of the sexes are fixed in a single, static pattern. Rather, complementarity will take many forms as each man and woman brings his or her distinctive contributions to their marriage and to the formation of their children.
Pope Francis stated frankly, In our day, marriage and the family are in crisis. The culture of the temporary has led many people to give up on marriage as a public commitment. This revolution in manners and morals has often flown the flag of freedom, but in fact it has brought spiritual and material devastation to countless human beings, especially the poorest and most vulnerable. The Pope said that the crisis in the family has produced a crisis of human ecology, similar to the crisis that affects the natural environment. Although the human race has come to understand the need to address conditions that menace our natural environments, we have been slower to recognize that our fragile social environments are under threat as well, slower in our culture, and also in our Catholic Church. It is therefore essential that we foster a new human ecology and advance it.
The point being that, without any doubt whatsoever, the pope regards only a man and a woman as being able to form a marriage. See another quote from him, and the Catechism, in reply #73 for another example.
It's amazing how many people want to ignore what the man says, to try to make him look more sympathetic to them.
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The Pope's comments on family and marriage seem very much open to interpretation-WRONG [View all]
Stinky The Clown
Sep 2015
OP
The family is threatened but you claim this is neutral? Do you know what the World Meeting of
Bluenorthwest
Sep 2015
#1
There's no evidence that he views anything but families headed by the "complemenatary sexes" as...
Humanist_Activist
Sep 2015
#66
Christians, in general, base their life on a Jesus/God of their Bible, through a selective reading..
Humanist_Activist
Sep 2015
#75
There are other morally objectional things Jesus says or does, but what I'm really puzzled by...
Humanist_Activist
Sep 2015
#89
How can any teo people wishing to maaDivorce and child abuse and neglect are greater threatd surely.
JDPriestly
Sep 2015
#8
And yet he also rants against marriage equality endlessly, not about divorce nor cohabitation
Bluenorthwest
Sep 2015
#11
That doesn't really make it better, and I'm glad that mayor is there to challenge the Pope...
Humanist_Activist
Sep 2015
#15
No its not threatened, and those "causes" are people's choices, do you want to remove said choices?
Humanist_Activist
Sep 2015
#12
The point being that if they can improve or don't improve family relationships is no one's business.
Humanist_Activist
Sep 2015
#22
No they didn't, there was no Catholic Church at that time, but again, that's irrelevent...
Humanist_Activist
Sep 2015
#42
Sure they have the right to free speech, but they do not have the right to impose their...
Humanist_Activist
Sep 2015
#49
So how do you condone the teachings in places that are not America and rich?
Bluenorthwest
Sep 2015
#53
Oh, stop. That has zero impact on them, so it doesn't matter that Africans are dying!!
PeaceNikki
Sep 2015
#61
It always cracks me up when people use this as a response to archaic misogynistic doctrine
PeaceNikki
Sep 2015
#59
Only because their Church is politically weak enough here to not be able to restrict...
Humanist_Activist
Sep 2015
#68
Its called "dog whistle politics", similar to Reagan talking about "Cadillac driving welfare queens"
Humanist_Activist
Sep 2015
#6
Where is the evidence that this Pope has evolved on this issue? Has he pulled a George Wallace...
Humanist_Activist
Sep 2015
#44
That's an assertion without fact, do you have evidence that he's far less judgemental? n/t
Humanist_Activist
Sep 2015
#60
Good grief. "Assertion without fact." We are talking about religion, religious beliefs,
pnwmom
Sep 2015
#63
His out of context quote about celibate, homosexual priests is NOT relevent...
Humanist_Activist
Sep 2015
#64
Not really, in fact, the Catechism, for all its bigoted language, recognizes that being...
Humanist_Activist
Sep 2015
#67
I'd also like to point out that I first offered an information heavy response which you ignored
Bluenorthwest
Sep 2015
#58
I think, as heterosexuals, it's all too easy for us to minimize the problematic aspects
nomorenomore08
Sep 2015
#86
Is that supposed to mean something, did the Vatican state that they demoted him because of...
Humanist_Activist
Sep 2015
#50
That story is a year old and not even the truth. I challenge you to offer proof that that man was
Bluenorthwest
Sep 2015
#54
Agreed, you weren't vilifying me. In fact, I'm sorry that I implied you were.
Stinky The Clown
Sep 2015
#26
His words as Cardinal were very clear and very ugly. To balance that requires very clear support.
Bluenorthwest
Sep 2015
#55
If the Pope actually wants to dial back on the culture war stuff that is good.
bklyncowgirl
Sep 2015
#21
Your quote is from before he was Pope. How do you know his views haven't evolved
pnwmom
Sep 2015
#29
I could post the entire 'who am I to judge' speech again. It's not pro gay, it's a rant against 'the
Bluenorthwest
Sep 2015
#56
Also, Catholic.com is a lay-run, RW site. Try NCRonline.org for a different point of view.
pnwmom
Sep 2015
#33
Here's the pope's own media organisation, quoting him after he became pope:
muriel_volestrangler
Sep 2015
#74
He's worried that the "culture of the temporary" has led many people to give up on marriage
pnwmom
Sep 2015
#76
Pope warns same-sex marriage 'threatens the family' and 'disfigures God's plan for creation'
muriel_volestrangler
Sep 2015
#79
So these traditions of the slow ship are like the 'heritage' of the Confederate Flag?
Bluenorthwest
Sep 2015
#81
The kind of post you're responding to is why I'm slowly weaning myself off message boards.
AngryOldDem
Sep 2015
#72
Some reading on the World Meeting of Families mentioned by Francis in the OP:
Bluenorthwest
Sep 2015
#57