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Showing Original Post only (View all)"Today, We Are All Walter Mondale". Democrats learned the wrong lesson from 1984. [View all]
Americas anti-liberal myth: Why Dems learned the wrong lesson from 1984Your calendar says its 2015, but its always 1984 in mind of the New Dems. These are the economically conservative Democrats that include centrists like the old Democratic Leadership Council, Third Way and financial sector-centric elected Democrats (plus Robert Rubin, the Rubin-launched Hamilton Project and associated advisers on the policy side). As always, they are again invoking 1984 to conjure images of a grave danger to Democrats ability to win elections in the form of ascendant progressive populism.
The New Dems scare story goes something like this: In 1984 Walter Mondale lost 49 states because he ran as a Super Liberal. Democrats would have kept losing if the New Dems had not formed to take control of and steer the party. In 1992 Bill Clinton ran as Centrist Man and Democrats started winning elections again. Now, economic progressives who prioritize other things before Wall Streets approval are causing trouble. If these progressives Democrats represent the party it will again be banished to the political wilderness and forced to relearn the lesson of the 80s and 90s.
This premise is not only wrongheaded, in important ways its backwards.
Al From and friends got to push ahead with their conclusion that it was all the fault of liberals. They had the money and the circle of influence to do it.
Today, We Are All Walter Mondale
The hits keep coming. In more recent years New Dems have tried to apply the 1984 lesson to whatever political moment theyre in. Before declaring itself the New DLC (because in their mind the word new is some kind of magic incantation) and then ultimately folding and giving way to Third Way, the DLC tarred Democrats with the pejorative member of the unelectable Mondale wing. The trait that earned a Democrat this label circa 2003 was opposition to the Iraq war, a sin no Democrat with serious future national aspirations could commit lest they consign themselves to irrevocable Not President status. Anyone who would have suggested to the DLC that the next Democrat to win the White House would be a Hyde Park State Senator named Barack Obama elected in large part because of his opposition to the Iraq war would have been met with all sorts of political spectrum positioning-based derision.
They put that negative label on liberals not because liberals and progressives were wrong...but because they wanted the big money.
... What they have done is, on a number of instances, shamelessly changed their rationale for why elected Democrats need to do what Third Ways donors wanted Democrats to do. They do this because New Dems organizations like Third Way are not on a mission to get Democrats to win elections. Theyre on a mission to lock Democrats into serving high finance, even at the expense of winning elections. The New Dems are not acting out of concern that progressive populist Democrats will lose. They dont want liberals to win.
Once money and funding became the goal of those who were pulling the party's strings....winning and losing was just a side issue.
Thus all their calls for "bipartisanship", and this one..."post partisanship". That last one means beyond the level of a 2 party system.
I don't think a nation can function well without the checks and balances of at least two parties.
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"Today, We Are All Walter Mondale". Democrats learned the wrong lesson from 1984. [View all]
madfloridian
Sep 2015
OP
When they chose Mondale my immediate thought was that it was a set-up for Reagan.
jalan48
Sep 2015
#4
WTF? One of the single most disingenuous staements I've heard in a long time.
TeamPooka
Sep 2015
#113
To me that was when they sold out to the same people who owned the Republican party.
LiberalArkie
Sep 2015
#17
I don't want to bring it back--I want us to get over it into something more socially functional
Demeter
Sep 2015
#47
I'm with you on not wanting it back..reading you was bringing back the memory so clearly
haikugal
Sep 2015
#57
Actually, the reason Bill Clinton won was because the Republicans went too far to the Right....
Spitfire of ATJ
Sep 2015
#19
Ha! Speaking of Molly Ivins....her words about Bill Clinton in 1998 interview.
madfloridian
Sep 2015
#53
I also recall mortgage interest rates climbing into the teens right about then.
haikugal
Sep 2015
#46
I voted in that election, and i thought Mondale was pulling back from the New Deal
hedgehog
Sep 2015
#34
That it doesn't make sense when analyzed logically doesn't matter to those who want
stevenleser
Sep 2015
#69
Yes. And the hostage crisis plus an oil crisis caused by the Republican allies in the Middle
JDPriestly
Sep 2015
#96
There was also an oil crisis in 1974 during the Nixon-Ford years which doubled the price of gas
1939
Sep 2015
#102
So if DLC politics is why we won in 1992, 1996, 2008 and 2012, what happened in 2000, 2004
JDPriestly
Sep 2015
#38
I don't think Bill Clinton ran as a centrist. In order to win he ran as a progressive
cui bono
Sep 2015
#70
Anytime you re-evaluate something and it changes reality to dove-tail with exactly what you want...
stevenleser
Sep 2015
#118
Indeed. We applaud the imminent demise of the GOP at the peril of our whole political structure.
Surya Gayatri
Sep 2015
#93
Politicians promote the wrong lessons from the elections of 1972, 1980 and 1984 and also from
merrily
Sep 2015
#100
It's understandable if you don't get stuck on the division of the two Parties. That's a distraction.
rhett o rick
Sep 2015
#112
They tried to change the party from the top down. That is not real change.
madfloridian
Sep 2015
#117