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50. Mondale was playing basic politics, the GOP was playing for keeps

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Sun Sep 27, 2015, 07:09 PM

Sep 2015

Not the same game.

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"Today, We Are All Walter Mondale". Democrats learned the wrong lesson from 1984. [View all] madfloridian Sep 2015 OP

I remember him running a very uninspiring campaign n2doc Sep 2015 #1

Ronnie was a big movie hero... madfloridian Sep 2015 #5

2015, old media is all but dead PowerToThePeople Sep 2015 #15

The beginning of the demise... tosh Sep 2015 #27

Exactly tecelote Sep 2015 #97

I'm an editor at a newspaper, and you're right. SusanaMontana41 Sep 2015 #124

This didn't change the election, but SusanaMontana41 Sep 2015 #122

lol that's great. Had forgotten that. madfloridian Sep 2015 #125

Great stuff, huh? SusanaMontana41 Sep 2015 #133

I thought his campaign was inspiring enough hfojvt Sep 2015 #16

Must respectfully disagree Roy Rolling Sep 2015 #108

Yes, that is the way I remember it also. jwirr Sep 2015 #52

You remember it well because that is the way I remember it too. Enthusiast Sep 2015 #59

Get thee to the Greatest page, posthaste (k&r) Electric Monk Sep 2015 #2

kick . . .n/t annabanana Sep 2015 #3

When they chose Mondale my immediate thought was that it was a set-up for Reagan. jalan48 Sep 2015 #4

K&R dae Sep 2015 #6

Mondale is the only candidate to have lost in all 50 states. Snobblevitch Sep 2015 #7

When did you demote Minnesota to "not a state"? jeff47 Sep 2015 #9

I was born and raised in Minnesota Snobblevitch Sep 2015 #10

Ok, if you want to open it up to all elections jeff47 Sep 2015 #12

When did Reagan lose elecctions in all 50 state. Snobblevitch Sep 2015 #14

Reagan ran before 1980. jeff47 Sep 2015 #18

Not all states have presidential primaries. Snobblevitch Sep 2015 #21

So...you're now going to add that irrelevant metric jeff47 Sep 2015 #25

+100%! Enthusiast Sep 2015 #60

well since this is about 1984 book_worm Sep 2015 #28

Oh gods... kenfrequed Sep 2015 #106

See post #29. Snobblevitch Sep 2015 #130

Mondale won Minnestoa--he and McGovern both lost 49 states. book_worm Sep 2015 #22

I'm sorry I brought it up. Snobblevitch Sep 2015 #29

49, not 50 merrily Sep 2015 #107

WTF? One of the single most disingenuous staements I've heard in a long time. TeamPooka Sep 2015 #113

Party Democrats were losing their minds in 1984 Demeter Sep 2015 #8

Your description... madfloridian Sep 2015 #11

To me that was when they sold out to the same people who owned the Republican party. LiberalArkie Sep 2015 #17

Keep talking, you're bringing it all back. haikugal Sep 2015 #43

I don't want to bring it back--I want us to get over it into something more socially functional Demeter Sep 2015 #47

I'm with you on not wanting it back..reading you was bringing back the memory so clearly haikugal Sep 2015 #57

yw Demeter Sep 2015 #82

I thought Atwater was the 1984 Karl Rove? (nt) Recursion Sep 2015 #90

k&r chervilant Sep 2015 #13

Actually, the reason Bill Clinton won was because the Republicans went too far to the Right.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #19

Letting Krazy Unkkkle Pat Buchanan speak at the convention hifiguy Sep 2015 #39

Oh gawd I miss her.... haikugal Sep 2015 #44

Ha! Speaking of Molly Ivins....her words about Bill Clinton in 1998 interview. madfloridian Sep 2015 #53

She was absolutely right. hifiguy Sep 2015 #54

The video is still up. madfloridian Sep 2015 #55

Bush used to say that the president is the "decider.' JDPriestly Sep 2015 #87

Yup. And then MSNBC hired him to be himself. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #84

And now we have the Planned Parenthood fight. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #63

They're still in 1984 mode too.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #72

"They won't make abortion illegal; we've always had that right." Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #126

Keep in mind that in 1984 SheilaT Sep 2015 #20

Also, the country was climbing out of the 1982 recession jeff47 Sep 2015 #32

We were just barely climbing out of it. SheilaT Sep 2015 #37

The trajectory is more important than the absolute numbers jeff47 Sep 2015 #45

I also recall mortgage interest rates climbing into the teens right about then. haikugal Sep 2015 #46

Oh yes, terribly high interest rates. madfloridian Sep 2015 #89

Yep. "unaccountably popular President, Ronald Reagan" madfloridian Sep 2015 #40

President Obama is part of the DLC/Third way/New Dem program Hydra Sep 2015 #23

True, which is why so many of us who are left of center Lorien Sep 2015 #116

Could someone please translate this sentence for me? TygrBright Sep 2015 #24

Those are not particularly difficult to follow paragraphs. jeff47 Sep 2015 #35

Mondale was/is a good liberal democrat in the New Deal/Great Society mode book_worm Sep 2015 #26

Another candidate that was not tied to Carter Dawson Leery Sep 2015 #30

Doubtful. Economics alone would give a decisive victory. jeff47 Sep 2015 #36

A HUGE reason why Carter lost re-election is Operation Eagle Claw jmowreader Sep 2015 #51

I voted in that election, and i thought Mondale was pulling back from the New Deal hedgehog Sep 2015 #34

Mondale was playing basic politics, the GOP was playing for keeps Demeter Sep 2015 #50

I'm afraid I think they're mostly right and you're mostly wrong. Donald Ian Rankin Sep 2015 #31

That it doesn't make sense when analyzed logically doesn't matter to those who want stevenleser Sep 2015 #69

Times change. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #95

Not so quickly, no. The polls about this were just done a few months ago. stevenleser Sep 2015 #98

One of the biggest mistakes made by centrist Dems through the years.... madfloridian Sep 2015 #121

The whole "Adults" thing has been particularly egregious Hydra Sep 2015 #131

And don't forget progressive George McGovern, who also lost 49 states. pnwmom Sep 2015 #33

With a lot of help from Nixon's dirty tricksters hifiguy Sep 2015 #41

Dirty tricks might matter in a close election 1939 Sep 2015 #61

It wasn't just "dirty tricks" Art_from_Ark Sep 2015 #86

Yes. And the hostage crisis plus an oil crisis caused by the Republican allies in the Middle JDPriestly Sep 2015 #96

There was also an oil crisis in 1974 during the Nixon-Ford years which doubled the price of gas 1939 Sep 2015 #102

So if DLC politics is why we won in 1992, 1996, 2008 and 2012, what happened in 2000, 2004 JDPriestly Sep 2015 #38

The country has gone beyond the DLC/Third Way. Enthusiast Sep 2015 #64

First off, we won in 2000 Recursion Sep 2015 #91

Who won and who lost in 2014. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #94

Doesn't matter if we won in 2000 Bush still went to the White House. madfloridian Sep 2015 #111

Excellent piece. hifiguy Sep 2015 #42

A little Tune 1984 Milliesmom Sep 2015 #48

One of Bowie's best songs of that era. hifiguy Sep 2015 #56

+1 Enthusiast Sep 2015 #65

Thank you for another great post. They were wrong then and jwirr Sep 2015 #49

They are wrong now. Enthusiast Sep 2015 #66

Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Sep 2015 #58

Cold War mentality. moondust Sep 2015 #62

"Post-partisanship": Does that just mean oligarchy? Beartracks Sep 2015 #67

....... madfloridian Sep 2015 #119

'New Democrats' sounds refreshing Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2015 #68

IIRC, the "New Democrats" were the DLC in the cprise Sep 2015 #92

Then it will have to have another name Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2015 #132

I don't think Bill Clinton ran as a centrist. In order to win he ran as a progressive cui bono Sep 2015 #70

That's right. Here's his "typical" campaign speech from 1992~ RiverLover Sep 2015 #76

Amazing, isn't it? MindfulOne Sep 2015 #85

And yes, even here on DU we see the same people who put down economic justice cui bono Sep 2015 #71

Democrats should have gone with Gary Hart in 1984 bluestateguy Sep 2015 #73

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Sep 2015 #74

Personality plays a big role in who wins. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #75

I wish I could rec this... ms liberty Sep 2015 #78

This part: madfloridian Sep 2015 #88

That is why young people treasure him so much. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #114

Yes, Bernie draws the crowds because he has saidsimplesimon Sep 2015 #101

Clinton and Sanders platforms couldn't be more different Lorien Sep 2015 #115

Listening to Hillary respond to questions, it sure feels like 1984 whereisjustice Sep 2015 #77

been posting a lot of great stuff lately Mad ibegurpard Sep 2015 #79

The distant past is meaningless if it looks bad for Bernie treestar Sep 2015 #80

Not "meaningless" at all. Changed the nature of our party. madfloridian Sep 2015 #81

Anytime you re-evaluate something and it changes reality to dove-tail with exactly what you want... stevenleser Sep 2015 #118

Yes, yes It is still 1984 Springslips Sep 2015 #83

Indeed. We applaud the imminent demise of the GOP at the peril of our whole political structure. Surya Gayatri Sep 2015 #93

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #99

Politicians promote the wrong lessons from the elections of 1972, 1980 and 1984 and also from merrily Sep 2015 #100

1972 Election is Even More Relevant... Herman4747 Sep 2015 #103

So wrong! TM99 Sep 2015 #104

Your Own Post Refutes Your Argument... Herman4747 Sep 2015 #109

No. Read the link. TM99 Sep 2015 #110

YOU ADMIT THAT YOUR SENTENCE STRUCTURE WAS... Herman4747 Sep 2015 #134

Are you for real? TM99 Sep 2015 #135

So too did the Republicans learn poorly Babel_17 Sep 2015 #105

It's understandable if you don't get stuck on the division of the two Parties. That's a distraction. rhett o rick Sep 2015 #112

And control of the media pays off as debates are sold as entertainment (nt) Babel_17 Sep 2015 #127

Absolutely. nm rhett o rick Sep 2015 #129

They tried to change the party from the top down. That is not real change. madfloridian Sep 2015 #117

I saw that handwriting on the wall back then RoccoR5955 Sep 2015 #120

It's strange that people voted for Saint Ronnie Unknown Beatle Sep 2015 #123

the same senario for Dems in 1972. demosincebirth Sep 2015 #128