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JDPriestly

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75. Personality plays a big role in who wins.
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 08:37 PM
Sep 2015

Reagan had a smiling personality. That's why he was successful as a movie star. It certainly wasn't his dramatic acting talent. He was more the guy next door that you love to see in the morning when he walks to his car to go to work.

George H.W. Bush was elected the first time based on Reagan's charm.

Bill Clinton also had a warm, embracing personality. That's why people voted for him.

In contrast, George H. W. Bush had a rather weak, complaining manner, a poor personality. His speech was very odd. People voted for Clinton.

Gore came across as a cold fish, but had the right platform. George W. Bush although really not very intelligent, rather a nasty, crude, hateful and snobbish guy, came across as "someone to have a beer with." The life of the party -- nasty, crude, hateful and snobbish, but nevertheless someone you might want to hang out with at a bar. Bush -- perceived as an approachable guy, took the election. Now, if you remember, the newspaper consortium that counted all the votes allowed internet users to decide which counting method they would have used. They announced their results on September 11, 2001. I remember very well that Gore would have won by the methods I thought were appropriate for counting the votes. Of course, that vote count did not get much attention because of the terror attack. Interesting coincidence. Without question, Gore actually won the popular vote that year.

As a candidate, McCain was a bit of a joke. He came across as weak (like George H.W.Bush but in a different way) and Sarah Palin did him in. She was a joke, strongly disliked by most Americans.

Romney was a Mormon and was a bit of an oddball in the perceptions of a lot of Americans. Also, he was filthy rich at a time and in an era in which filthy rich is not liked that much. Rich is good. Filthy rich -- like buying plants, taking out all the equipment, moving it to China, firing the employees and leaving town, filthy rich, is not popular in America.

Besides, Obama was the perfect campaigner, the perfect candidate for the time. In a multi-racial country, he was not only a candidate who gave hope to all who identified with him based on their race, he was young and laid back and really brilliant. Obama won the love and admiration of America and the world. A Nobel Peace Prize right off the bat? No president will ever top that.

So, in terms of personality, between the two Democratic candidates who are in the lead, I think Sanders is the winner. He comes across as very sincere, intelligent and caring. He's a guy who makes you feel safe because he really cares about you. Hey. He cares about mothers and their babies, seniors on Social Security, union members, students. HE CARES.

And that is what Americans need right now.

As for their platforms, the differences between what Sanders and Clinton say is not really all that great. To us the platforms are very different. But to average Americans who aren't paying the kind of attention to the minutiae of policy, not that much. So it is a matter of personality but also -- the big issue in our primary is trust. And Bernie wins hands down on that. No matter what he is accused of, people are going to trust him more than they do Clinton or any of the Republicans. That is because he presents himself as just human, a person who could make mistakes, so mistakes are not going to take their toll on him.

Sanders focuses on issues, the issues that matter to Americans like taking care of their children, like a really livable wage, like not shipping Americans' jobs overseas, like protecting our democracy from the leveraged buy-out Wall Street types, like making sure that no qualified student misses college because of money, like making sure we all have healthcare even if we just lost our jobs, like trying to reach peace before just marching our troops into some country halfway across the world with no plan for what comes after we march in.

Sanders comes across as very intent on helping others and very disinterested in himself. It isn't some store-bought, phony persona. It's real. It's visceral. People feel it, and they forgive him a lot because they recognize his authenticity and his caring.

There is no candidate running in 2016 who can match Sanders with regard to personality, ideas, presentation, focus and connection with the American people.

With Sanders, it is not a question of being liberal or conservative, socialist or capitalist, it is about being a person who has cared for the American people all his life.

Each presidential campaign in my lifetime has been different.

Adlai Stevenson was the quintessential Third Way, DLC candidate before those terms were invented. He tried to make himself into an FDR Democrat because that was what had sold in previous elections. But the fact was he was a big firm lawyer in with all that New York and relative conservative Democrats stand for. He was a nice guy, totally DLC, mild-mannered and more involved in nasty business like in the Congo than people would like to remember.

Stevenson lost twice. Eisenhower was an extremely strong candidate. A leader. A winner. A pleasant man. Nothing phony except that he was far more powerful and far more interested in intelligence shenanigans than Americans realized.

The perception that only DLC candidates can win???? It depends. Personality, the mood of the country, whose running on the other side.

And there is one last issue: racism. That was the big card that cleared the field for Republicans following LBJ's signing of the various Civil Rights laws.

Surely by now, we have elected our first African-American president. Surely now, racism is not a factor in determining for most Americans what party they vote for.

There was a time when the South voted for Democrats because Southerners liked the populist ideas of the Democrats. That was in FDR's and the post-FDR period.

Bernie may be able to show that a strong populist message can win enough Southern votes to put Democrats over the top again.

We shall see.

That's what this primary is about.



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I remember him running a very uninspiring campaign n2doc Sep 2015 #1
Ronnie was a big movie hero... madfloridian Sep 2015 #5
2015, old media is all but dead PowerToThePeople Sep 2015 #15
The beginning of the demise... tosh Sep 2015 #27
Exactly tecelote Sep 2015 #97
I'm an editor at a newspaper, and you're right. SusanaMontana41 Sep 2015 #124
This didn't change the election, but SusanaMontana41 Sep 2015 #122
lol that's great. Had forgotten that. madfloridian Sep 2015 #125
Great stuff, huh? SusanaMontana41 Sep 2015 #133
I thought his campaign was inspiring enough hfojvt Sep 2015 #16
Must respectfully disagree Roy Rolling Sep 2015 #108
Yes, that is the way I remember it also. jwirr Sep 2015 #52
You remember it well because that is the way I remember it too. Enthusiast Sep 2015 #59
Get thee to the Greatest page, posthaste (k&r) Electric Monk Sep 2015 #2
kick . . .n/t annabanana Sep 2015 #3
When they chose Mondale my immediate thought was that it was a set-up for Reagan. jalan48 Sep 2015 #4
K&R dae Sep 2015 #6
Mondale is the only candidate to have lost in all 50 states. Snobblevitch Sep 2015 #7
When did you demote Minnesota to "not a state"? jeff47 Sep 2015 #9
I was born and raised in Minnesota Snobblevitch Sep 2015 #10
Ok, if you want to open it up to all elections jeff47 Sep 2015 #12
When did Reagan lose elecctions in all 50 state. Snobblevitch Sep 2015 #14
Reagan ran before 1980. jeff47 Sep 2015 #18
Not all states have presidential primaries. Snobblevitch Sep 2015 #21
So...you're now going to add that irrelevant metric jeff47 Sep 2015 #25
+100%! Enthusiast Sep 2015 #60
well since this is about 1984 book_worm Sep 2015 #28
Oh gods... kenfrequed Sep 2015 #106
See post #29. Snobblevitch Sep 2015 #130
Mondale won Minnestoa--he and McGovern both lost 49 states. book_worm Sep 2015 #22
I'm sorry I brought it up. Snobblevitch Sep 2015 #29
49, not 50 merrily Sep 2015 #107
WTF? One of the single most disingenuous staements I've heard in a long time. TeamPooka Sep 2015 #113
Party Democrats were losing their minds in 1984 Demeter Sep 2015 #8
Your description... madfloridian Sep 2015 #11
To me that was when they sold out to the same people who owned the Republican party. LiberalArkie Sep 2015 #17
Keep talking, you're bringing it all back. haikugal Sep 2015 #43
I don't want to bring it back--I want us to get over it into something more socially functional Demeter Sep 2015 #47
I'm with you on not wanting it back..reading you was bringing back the memory so clearly haikugal Sep 2015 #57
yw Demeter Sep 2015 #82
I thought Atwater was the 1984 Karl Rove? (nt) Recursion Sep 2015 #90
k&r chervilant Sep 2015 #13
Actually, the reason Bill Clinton won was because the Republicans went too far to the Right.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #19
Letting Krazy Unkkkle Pat Buchanan speak at the convention hifiguy Sep 2015 #39
Oh gawd I miss her.... haikugal Sep 2015 #44
Ha! Speaking of Molly Ivins....her words about Bill Clinton in 1998 interview. madfloridian Sep 2015 #53
She was absolutely right. hifiguy Sep 2015 #54
The video is still up. madfloridian Sep 2015 #55
Bush used to say that the president is the "decider.' JDPriestly Sep 2015 #87
Yup. And then MSNBC hired him to be himself. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #84
And now we have the Planned Parenthood fight. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #63
They're still in 1984 mode too.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #72
"They won't make abortion illegal; we've always had that right." Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #126
Keep in mind that in 1984 SheilaT Sep 2015 #20
Also, the country was climbing out of the 1982 recession jeff47 Sep 2015 #32
We were just barely climbing out of it. SheilaT Sep 2015 #37
The trajectory is more important than the absolute numbers jeff47 Sep 2015 #45
I also recall mortgage interest rates climbing into the teens right about then. haikugal Sep 2015 #46
Oh yes, terribly high interest rates. madfloridian Sep 2015 #89
Yep. "unaccountably popular President, Ronald Reagan" madfloridian Sep 2015 #40
President Obama is part of the DLC/Third way/New Dem program Hydra Sep 2015 #23
True, which is why so many of us who are left of center Lorien Sep 2015 #116
Could someone please translate this sentence for me? TygrBright Sep 2015 #24
Those are not particularly difficult to follow paragraphs. jeff47 Sep 2015 #35
Mondale was/is a good liberal democrat in the New Deal/Great Society mode book_worm Sep 2015 #26
Another candidate that was not tied to Carter Dawson Leery Sep 2015 #30
Doubtful. Economics alone would give a decisive victory. jeff47 Sep 2015 #36
A HUGE reason why Carter lost re-election is Operation Eagle Claw jmowreader Sep 2015 #51
I voted in that election, and i thought Mondale was pulling back from the New Deal hedgehog Sep 2015 #34
Mondale was playing basic politics, the GOP was playing for keeps Demeter Sep 2015 #50
I'm afraid I think they're mostly right and you're mostly wrong. Donald Ian Rankin Sep 2015 #31
That it doesn't make sense when analyzed logically doesn't matter to those who want stevenleser Sep 2015 #69
Times change. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #95
Not so quickly, no. The polls about this were just done a few months ago. stevenleser Sep 2015 #98
One of the biggest mistakes made by centrist Dems through the years.... madfloridian Sep 2015 #121
The whole "Adults" thing has been particularly egregious Hydra Sep 2015 #131
And don't forget progressive George McGovern, who also lost 49 states. pnwmom Sep 2015 #33
With a lot of help from Nixon's dirty tricksters hifiguy Sep 2015 #41
Dirty tricks might matter in a close election 1939 Sep 2015 #61
It wasn't just "dirty tricks" Art_from_Ark Sep 2015 #86
Yes. And the hostage crisis plus an oil crisis caused by the Republican allies in the Middle JDPriestly Sep 2015 #96
There was also an oil crisis in 1974 during the Nixon-Ford years which doubled the price of gas 1939 Sep 2015 #102
So if DLC politics is why we won in 1992, 1996, 2008 and 2012, what happened in 2000, 2004 JDPriestly Sep 2015 #38
The country has gone beyond the DLC/Third Way. Enthusiast Sep 2015 #64
First off, we won in 2000 Recursion Sep 2015 #91
Who won and who lost in 2014. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #94
Doesn't matter if we won in 2000 Bush still went to the White House. madfloridian Sep 2015 #111
Excellent piece. hifiguy Sep 2015 #42
A little Tune 1984 Milliesmom Sep 2015 #48
One of Bowie's best songs of that era. hifiguy Sep 2015 #56
+1 Enthusiast Sep 2015 #65
Thank you for another great post. They were wrong then and jwirr Sep 2015 #49
They are wrong now. Enthusiast Sep 2015 #66
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Sep 2015 #58
Cold War mentality. moondust Sep 2015 #62
"Post-partisanship": Does that just mean oligarchy? Beartracks Sep 2015 #67
....... madfloridian Sep 2015 #119
'New Democrats' sounds refreshing Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2015 #68
IIRC, the "New Democrats" were the DLC in the cprise Sep 2015 #92
Then it will have to have another name Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2015 #132
I don't think Bill Clinton ran as a centrist. In order to win he ran as a progressive cui bono Sep 2015 #70
That's right. Here's his "typical" campaign speech from 1992~ RiverLover Sep 2015 #76
Amazing, isn't it? MindfulOne Sep 2015 #85
And yes, even here on DU we see the same people who put down economic justice cui bono Sep 2015 #71
Democrats should have gone with Gary Hart in 1984 bluestateguy Sep 2015 #73
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Sep 2015 #74
Personality plays a big role in who wins. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #75
I wish I could rec this... ms liberty Sep 2015 #78
This part: madfloridian Sep 2015 #88
That is why young people treasure him so much. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #114
Yes, Bernie draws the crowds because he has saidsimplesimon Sep 2015 #101
Clinton and Sanders platforms couldn't be more different Lorien Sep 2015 #115
Listening to Hillary respond to questions, it sure feels like 1984 whereisjustice Sep 2015 #77
been posting a lot of great stuff lately Mad ibegurpard Sep 2015 #79
The distant past is meaningless if it looks bad for Bernie treestar Sep 2015 #80
Not "meaningless" at all. Changed the nature of our party. madfloridian Sep 2015 #81
Anytime you re-evaluate something and it changes reality to dove-tail with exactly what you want... stevenleser Sep 2015 #118
Yes, yes It is still 1984 Springslips Sep 2015 #83
Indeed. We applaud the imminent demise of the GOP at the peril of our whole political structure. Surya Gayatri Sep 2015 #93
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #99
Politicians promote the wrong lessons from the elections of 1972, 1980 and 1984 and also from merrily Sep 2015 #100
1972 Election is Even More Relevant... Herman4747 Sep 2015 #103
So wrong! TM99 Sep 2015 #104
Your Own Post Refutes Your Argument... Herman4747 Sep 2015 #109
No. Read the link. TM99 Sep 2015 #110
YOU ADMIT THAT YOUR SENTENCE STRUCTURE WAS... Herman4747 Sep 2015 #134
Are you for real? TM99 Sep 2015 #135
So too did the Republicans learn poorly Babel_17 Sep 2015 #105
It's understandable if you don't get stuck on the division of the two Parties. That's a distraction. rhett o rick Sep 2015 #112
And control of the media pays off as debates are sold as entertainment (nt) Babel_17 Sep 2015 #127
Absolutely. nm rhett o rick Sep 2015 #129
They tried to change the party from the top down. That is not real change. madfloridian Sep 2015 #117
I saw that handwriting on the wall back then RoccoR5955 Sep 2015 #120
It's strange that people voted for Saint Ronnie Unknown Beatle Sep 2015 #123
the same senario for Dems in 1972. demosincebirth Sep 2015 #128
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