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In reply to the discussion: WashPo: Warren just gave the speech that Black Lives Matter activists have been waiting for [View all]tishaLA
(14,703 posts)92. African American thinkers from Malcolm X to Ta-Nehisi Coates have argued the case for violence
so I'm not sure what the issue is.
Now, the reason why I say that <"The Case for Reparations"> was incomplete was because there is a methodology, a tool that has been used to make sure that black people are available for plunder. And a major tool in making that process happen has been the criminal justice system. Its very, very important to understand. I read the governor in the New York Times today and he was saying in the paper thatyou know, because its going to be a big day tomorrowhe was saying violence will not be tolerated. And I thought about that as a young man whos from West Baltimore and grew up in West Baltimore and I thought about how violence was tolerated for all of my life here in West Baltimore.
When I was going to school, I thought about every little article that I wore when I walked out the house. I thought about who I was walking with. I thought about how many of them there were. I thought about what neighborhoods they were from. I thought about which route I was going to take to school. Once I got to school I thought about what I was going to do during the lunch hourwas I actually going to have lunch or was I going to go sit in the library. When school was dismissed I thought about what time I was going to leave school. I thought about whether I should stay after-school for class. I thought about whether I should take the bus up to my grandmothers house. I thought about which way I should go home if I was going to go home. Every one of those choices was about the avoidance of violence, about the protection of my body. And so I dont want to come off as if Im sympathizing or saying that it is necessarily okay, to inflict violence just out of anger, no matter how legitimate that anger is.
But I have a problem when you begin the clock with the violence on Tuesday. Because the fact of the matter is that the lives of black people in this city, the lives of black people in this country have been violent for a long time. Violence is how enslavement actually happened. People will think of enslavement as like a summer camp, where you just have to work, where you just go and someone gives you food and lodging, but enslavement is violence, it is torture. Torture is how it was made possible. You cant imagine enslavement without stripping away peoples kids and putting them up for sale. And the way you did that was, you threatened people with violence. Jim Crow was enforced through violence. That was the way things that got done. You didnt politely ask somebody not to show up and vote. You stood in front of voting booths with guns, thats what you did. And the state backed this; it was state-backed violence.[/divhttp://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/04/ta-nehisi-coates-johns-hopkins-baltimore/391904/]The Atlantic]
I'm sure some might quibble with the idea, as Mr Coates argues on Twitter, that violence has been an effective tool for African Americans to respond to institutionalized racist violence against them in the United States from Nat Turner to the LA uprisings to Ferguson to Baltimore. But it is nonetheless a serious idea with a serious history. And it is a history, Mr Coates will remind you, with proven positive results.
When I was going to school, I thought about every little article that I wore when I walked out the house. I thought about who I was walking with. I thought about how many of them there were. I thought about what neighborhoods they were from. I thought about which route I was going to take to school. Once I got to school I thought about what I was going to do during the lunch hourwas I actually going to have lunch or was I going to go sit in the library. When school was dismissed I thought about what time I was going to leave school. I thought about whether I should stay after-school for class. I thought about whether I should take the bus up to my grandmothers house. I thought about which way I should go home if I was going to go home. Every one of those choices was about the avoidance of violence, about the protection of my body. And so I dont want to come off as if Im sympathizing or saying that it is necessarily okay, to inflict violence just out of anger, no matter how legitimate that anger is.
But I have a problem when you begin the clock with the violence on Tuesday. Because the fact of the matter is that the lives of black people in this city, the lives of black people in this country have been violent for a long time. Violence is how enslavement actually happened. People will think of enslavement as like a summer camp, where you just have to work, where you just go and someone gives you food and lodging, but enslavement is violence, it is torture. Torture is how it was made possible. You cant imagine enslavement without stripping away peoples kids and putting them up for sale. And the way you did that was, you threatened people with violence. Jim Crow was enforced through violence. That was the way things that got done. You didnt politely ask somebody not to show up and vote. You stood in front of voting booths with guns, thats what you did. And the state backed this; it was state-backed violence.[/divhttp://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/04/ta-nehisi-coates-johns-hopkins-baltimore/391904/]The Atlantic]
I'm sure some might quibble with the idea, as Mr Coates argues on Twitter, that violence has been an effective tool for African Americans to respond to institutionalized racist violence against them in the United States from Nat Turner to the LA uprisings to Ferguson to Baltimore. But it is nonetheless a serious idea with a serious history. And it is a history, Mr Coates will remind you, with proven positive results.
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WashPo: Warren just gave the speech that Black Lives Matter activists have been waiting for [View all]
portlander23
Sep 2015
OP
Is there legislation ready-to-go? What if Boehner pushed it through on his way out?
Schema Thing
Sep 2015
#1
Like I said, if Liz Warren has specifically asked people not to call her "Liz", I wont.
Warren DeMontague
Sep 2015
#83
Because that might involve that poster actually having to address the point i made?
Warren DeMontague
Sep 2015
#229
"Economic justice is not — and has never been — sufficient to ensure racial justice"
tishaLA
Sep 2015
#5
She's going to be on the national stage soon. Maybe Sanders will put her in the cabinet.
Doctor_J
Sep 2015
#6
Geography balance makes sense, but VP should be a populist liberal like he is...
cascadiance
Sep 2015
#87
If Bernie goes for one term, if she has designs for the presidency, it still might be her best spot.
cascadiance
Sep 2015
#89
Of course she will, she is a good Democrat. But why didn't H. Clinton give this speech?
rhett o rick
Sep 2015
#116
The Populist Movement is going to sweep the Corporatist Democrats out of the Party leadership.
rhett o rick
Sep 2015
#117
You mean besides evidence, history and experience? Besides those things why would I say that?
stevenleser
Sep 2015
#106
Warren is saying that an emphasis is economic justice is not sufficient-it will not trickle down
riversedge
Sep 2015
#103
Then folks are hypocrites. Because folks here who defended BLM said the same thing and were
stevenleser
Sep 2015
#135
You're kidding me right? You are telling me you missed that whole thing that happened over 4-6 weeks
stevenleser
Sep 2015
#139
LOL, everyone reading this knows exactly what I am talking about, including you.
stevenleser
Sep 2015
#161
Yep. I got tired of that poster playing games with this issue and put them on ignore.
stevenleser
Sep 2015
#183
Nope. They most certainly did not. They thought BLM was a scam, a Hillary ploy. nt
stevenleser
Sep 2015
#167
Besides the conspiracy theories, that's basically just a question about tacticts
jfern
Sep 2015
#175
Several of the hosts of the AA forum are just downthread. You could ask them.
stevenleser
Sep 2015
#162
LMAO. OK, so you are afraid of directly asking the folks who this impacts the most.
stevenleser
Sep 2015
#165
See my #172 and yes you are playing games with advocacy for the lives of black people. nt
stevenleser
Sep 2015
#173
Nope, it's not. And you can see multiple hosts from the AA group below who agree with me.
stevenleser
Sep 2015
#215
Nope, it's clear you are wrong. You know better about a minority issue than the minority in question
stevenleser
Sep 2015
#223
"Economic justice is not — and has never been — sufficient to ensure racial justice."
zappaman
Sep 2015
#13
Exactly what's been said in the AfAm group here since the year dot.
greatauntoftriplets
Sep 2015
#24
No one is making that claim. Economic justice will not ensure racial justice but
rhett o rick
Sep 2015
#118
Four hours into this thread, almost half the respondents in it are regulars in the AA forum
Number23
Sep 2015
#20
Bravenak was one of the Bernie supporters. And she was shot down by other Bernie people
pnwmom
Sep 2015
#43
Bravenak will tell you, we actually got into it a bit. Not regarding her support for Sanders
Number23
Sep 2015
#46
Absolutely. And the branding of the AA forum as "pro Hillary" when it is nothing of the sort
Number23
Sep 2015
#55
African American thinkers from Malcolm X to Ta-Nehisi Coates have argued the case for violence
tishaLA
Sep 2015
#92
You don't think that bragging about torching someone else's property is not an issue???
Art_from_Ark
Sep 2015
#93
Not me. And one point I'd like to make that I know some of you already understand...
Bonobo
Sep 2015
#64
I understand entirely. Big ugly emotions come out and empathy flies out the window.
Bonobo
Sep 2015
#73
I agree, but far too few. If 85% of the site supports Sanders as polls here keep indicating...
stevenleser
Sep 2015
#216
I couldn't care less about nameless fools disliking me nor the attempts to pretend that a certain
Number23
Sep 2015
#41
I get the feeling that we have been agreeing with each other all along.
Baitball Blogger
Sep 2015
#111
I don't know if we're on the same page or not. I have seen the old "rising tide lifts all boats"
Number23
Sep 2015
#152
It's not sufficient because it doesn't address the issue, its causes or its effects. That's why it's
Number23
Sep 2015
#160
No one is talking about jurisdiction or policy. We are talking about the efforts of far too many
Number23
Sep 2015
#174
Exactly. But there are those that want to build a strawman to fight. And while Sen Sanders is for
rhett o rick
Sep 2015
#121
Yes, that is my take on that sentence as well. The operative word being: INJUSTICE.
Hiraeth
Sep 2015
#98
When someone begs you for a BLT and your only response is to talk about your ham sandwich,
pnwmom
Sep 2015
#49
"Economic justice is not — and has never been — sufficient to ensure racial justice"
NuclearDem
Sep 2015
#32
I doubt it, they got the phrase "identity politics" from Dear Leader. They think it's catchy, I....
Tarheel_Dem
Sep 2015
#85
President Obama is the living embodiment of that. Economic justice doesn't automatically
pnwmom
Sep 2015
#45
Good for Warren, but don't all the Democratic candidates say something similar?
Comrade Grumpy
Sep 2015
#54
"Economic justice is not and has never been sufficient to ensure racial justice."
sheshe2
Sep 2015
#81
Yep. Amazing how WHAT is being said around here is not nearly as important as WHO is saying it??
Number23
Sep 2015
#94
They only need us to show up and vote. That seems to be the extent of their "concern".
Tarheel_Dem
Sep 2015
#114
Warren is saying that even if economic justice is achieved, it will not trickle down to
riversedge
Sep 2015
#101
I'm on Cape Cod off-season & just saw a young black F driver pulled over by police
wordpix
Sep 2015
#105
That was a great speech, but the truly brave pol will be the one who explains WHO
valerief
Sep 2015
#110
Reality is, there are so many cameras around they need to behave as if they are being watched anyway
stevenleser
Sep 2015
#140