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Herman4747

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109. Your Own Post Refutes Your Argument...

Mon Sep 28, 2015, 11:23 AM

Sep 2015

"In fact 40+ % of the independents either lean towards Republicans or Democratic."
-- Your own statement.
THAT MEANS 60% OF THE INDEPENDENTS DO NOT LEAN TOWARD REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT!!!
And especially in a close election, that could make all the difference.
You want something more recent? Okay, how about the 2006 Senate Election in Virginia. The centrist Democrat won by the slimmest of margins in what is nowadays a just-barely Blue state. Do you truly think that if the Democrats had nominated a socialist that that socialist would have won?
And Virginia is quite similar to the nation as a whole, which is likewise just barely blue. Recall that in the 2014 election, Republicans won a majority of votes in the House of Representatives.
It would be good in 2016 for the Democrats to win the major battleground state of Florida, a state that has elected a Republican governor and a Republican Senator. Bill Clinton won by almost 6 percentage points in 1996. Further to the left, Obama also won the state twice, but by notably smaller percentage-point differences. So much further-to-the-left Bernie shall win there too?
Perhaps instead of thinking about how great it would be to have a socialist as President, do consider the risk involved in having a Republican president, AND HOW MUCH DAMAGE THAT REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT WITH A REPUBLICAN CONGRESS CAN DO.

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"Today, We Are All Walter Mondale". Democrats learned the wrong lesson from 1984. [View all] madfloridian Sep 2015 OP

I remember him running a very uninspiring campaign n2doc Sep 2015 #1

Ronnie was a big movie hero... madfloridian Sep 2015 #5

2015, old media is all but dead PowerToThePeople Sep 2015 #15

The beginning of the demise... tosh Sep 2015 #27

Exactly tecelote Sep 2015 #97

I'm an editor at a newspaper, and you're right. SusanaMontana41 Sep 2015 #124

This didn't change the election, but SusanaMontana41 Sep 2015 #122

lol that's great. Had forgotten that. madfloridian Sep 2015 #125

Great stuff, huh? SusanaMontana41 Sep 2015 #133

I thought his campaign was inspiring enough hfojvt Sep 2015 #16

Must respectfully disagree Roy Rolling Sep 2015 #108

Yes, that is the way I remember it also. jwirr Sep 2015 #52

You remember it well because that is the way I remember it too. Enthusiast Sep 2015 #59

Get thee to the Greatest page, posthaste (k&r) Electric Monk Sep 2015 #2

kick . . .n/t annabanana Sep 2015 #3

When they chose Mondale my immediate thought was that it was a set-up for Reagan. jalan48 Sep 2015 #4

K&R dae Sep 2015 #6

Mondale is the only candidate to have lost in all 50 states. Snobblevitch Sep 2015 #7

When did you demote Minnesota to "not a state"? jeff47 Sep 2015 #9

I was born and raised in Minnesota Snobblevitch Sep 2015 #10

Ok, if you want to open it up to all elections jeff47 Sep 2015 #12

When did Reagan lose elecctions in all 50 state. Snobblevitch Sep 2015 #14

Reagan ran before 1980. jeff47 Sep 2015 #18

Not all states have presidential primaries. Snobblevitch Sep 2015 #21

So...you're now going to add that irrelevant metric jeff47 Sep 2015 #25

+100%! Enthusiast Sep 2015 #60

well since this is about 1984 book_worm Sep 2015 #28

Oh gods... kenfrequed Sep 2015 #106

See post #29. Snobblevitch Sep 2015 #130

Mondale won Minnestoa--he and McGovern both lost 49 states. book_worm Sep 2015 #22

I'm sorry I brought it up. Snobblevitch Sep 2015 #29

49, not 50 merrily Sep 2015 #107

WTF? One of the single most disingenuous staements I've heard in a long time. TeamPooka Sep 2015 #113

Party Democrats were losing their minds in 1984 Demeter Sep 2015 #8

Your description... madfloridian Sep 2015 #11

To me that was when they sold out to the same people who owned the Republican party. LiberalArkie Sep 2015 #17

Keep talking, you're bringing it all back. haikugal Sep 2015 #43

I don't want to bring it back--I want us to get over it into something more socially functional Demeter Sep 2015 #47

I'm with you on not wanting it back..reading you was bringing back the memory so clearly haikugal Sep 2015 #57

yw Demeter Sep 2015 #82

I thought Atwater was the 1984 Karl Rove? (nt) Recursion Sep 2015 #90

k&r chervilant Sep 2015 #13

Actually, the reason Bill Clinton won was because the Republicans went too far to the Right.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #19

Letting Krazy Unkkkle Pat Buchanan speak at the convention hifiguy Sep 2015 #39

Oh gawd I miss her.... haikugal Sep 2015 #44

Ha! Speaking of Molly Ivins....her words about Bill Clinton in 1998 interview. madfloridian Sep 2015 #53

She was absolutely right. hifiguy Sep 2015 #54

The video is still up. madfloridian Sep 2015 #55

Bush used to say that the president is the "decider.' JDPriestly Sep 2015 #87

Yup. And then MSNBC hired him to be himself. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #84

And now we have the Planned Parenthood fight. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #63

They're still in 1984 mode too.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #72

"They won't make abortion illegal; we've always had that right." Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #126

Keep in mind that in 1984 SheilaT Sep 2015 #20

Also, the country was climbing out of the 1982 recession jeff47 Sep 2015 #32

We were just barely climbing out of it. SheilaT Sep 2015 #37

The trajectory is more important than the absolute numbers jeff47 Sep 2015 #45

I also recall mortgage interest rates climbing into the teens right about then. haikugal Sep 2015 #46

Oh yes, terribly high interest rates. madfloridian Sep 2015 #89

Yep. "unaccountably popular President, Ronald Reagan" madfloridian Sep 2015 #40

President Obama is part of the DLC/Third way/New Dem program Hydra Sep 2015 #23

True, which is why so many of us who are left of center Lorien Sep 2015 #116

Could someone please translate this sentence for me? TygrBright Sep 2015 #24

Those are not particularly difficult to follow paragraphs. jeff47 Sep 2015 #35

Mondale was/is a good liberal democrat in the New Deal/Great Society mode book_worm Sep 2015 #26

Another candidate that was not tied to Carter Dawson Leery Sep 2015 #30

Doubtful. Economics alone would give a decisive victory. jeff47 Sep 2015 #36

A HUGE reason why Carter lost re-election is Operation Eagle Claw jmowreader Sep 2015 #51

I voted in that election, and i thought Mondale was pulling back from the New Deal hedgehog Sep 2015 #34

Mondale was playing basic politics, the GOP was playing for keeps Demeter Sep 2015 #50

I'm afraid I think they're mostly right and you're mostly wrong. Donald Ian Rankin Sep 2015 #31

That it doesn't make sense when analyzed logically doesn't matter to those who want stevenleser Sep 2015 #69

Times change. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #95

Not so quickly, no. The polls about this were just done a few months ago. stevenleser Sep 2015 #98

One of the biggest mistakes made by centrist Dems through the years.... madfloridian Sep 2015 #121

The whole "Adults" thing has been particularly egregious Hydra Sep 2015 #131

And don't forget progressive George McGovern, who also lost 49 states. pnwmom Sep 2015 #33

With a lot of help from Nixon's dirty tricksters hifiguy Sep 2015 #41

Dirty tricks might matter in a close election 1939 Sep 2015 #61

It wasn't just "dirty tricks" Art_from_Ark Sep 2015 #86

Yes. And the hostage crisis plus an oil crisis caused by the Republican allies in the Middle JDPriestly Sep 2015 #96

There was also an oil crisis in 1974 during the Nixon-Ford years which doubled the price of gas 1939 Sep 2015 #102

So if DLC politics is why we won in 1992, 1996, 2008 and 2012, what happened in 2000, 2004 JDPriestly Sep 2015 #38

The country has gone beyond the DLC/Third Way. Enthusiast Sep 2015 #64

First off, we won in 2000 Recursion Sep 2015 #91

Who won and who lost in 2014. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #94

Doesn't matter if we won in 2000 Bush still went to the White House. madfloridian Sep 2015 #111

Excellent piece. hifiguy Sep 2015 #42

A little Tune 1984 Milliesmom Sep 2015 #48

One of Bowie's best songs of that era. hifiguy Sep 2015 #56

+1 Enthusiast Sep 2015 #65

Thank you for another great post. They were wrong then and jwirr Sep 2015 #49

They are wrong now. Enthusiast Sep 2015 #66

Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Sep 2015 #58

Cold War mentality. moondust Sep 2015 #62

"Post-partisanship": Does that just mean oligarchy? Beartracks Sep 2015 #67

....... madfloridian Sep 2015 #119

'New Democrats' sounds refreshing Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2015 #68

IIRC, the "New Democrats" were the DLC in the cprise Sep 2015 #92

Then it will have to have another name Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2015 #132

I don't think Bill Clinton ran as a centrist. In order to win he ran as a progressive cui bono Sep 2015 #70

That's right. Here's his "typical" campaign speech from 1992~ RiverLover Sep 2015 #76

Amazing, isn't it? MindfulOne Sep 2015 #85

And yes, even here on DU we see the same people who put down economic justice cui bono Sep 2015 #71

Democrats should have gone with Gary Hart in 1984 bluestateguy Sep 2015 #73

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Sep 2015 #74

Personality plays a big role in who wins. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #75

I wish I could rec this... ms liberty Sep 2015 #78

This part: madfloridian Sep 2015 #88

That is why young people treasure him so much. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #114

Yes, Bernie draws the crowds because he has saidsimplesimon Sep 2015 #101

Clinton and Sanders platforms couldn't be more different Lorien Sep 2015 #115

Listening to Hillary respond to questions, it sure feels like 1984 whereisjustice Sep 2015 #77

been posting a lot of great stuff lately Mad ibegurpard Sep 2015 #79

The distant past is meaningless if it looks bad for Bernie treestar Sep 2015 #80

Not "meaningless" at all. Changed the nature of our party. madfloridian Sep 2015 #81

Anytime you re-evaluate something and it changes reality to dove-tail with exactly what you want... stevenleser Sep 2015 #118

Yes, yes It is still 1984 Springslips Sep 2015 #83

Indeed. We applaud the imminent demise of the GOP at the peril of our whole political structure. Surya Gayatri Sep 2015 #93

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #99

Politicians promote the wrong lessons from the elections of 1972, 1980 and 1984 and also from merrily Sep 2015 #100

1972 Election is Even More Relevant... Herman4747 Sep 2015 #103

So wrong! TM99 Sep 2015 #104

Your Own Post Refutes Your Argument... Herman4747 Sep 2015 #109

No. Read the link. TM99 Sep 2015 #110

YOU ADMIT THAT YOUR SENTENCE STRUCTURE WAS... Herman4747 Sep 2015 #134

Are you for real? TM99 Sep 2015 #135

So too did the Republicans learn poorly Babel_17 Sep 2015 #105

It's understandable if you don't get stuck on the division of the two Parties. That's a distraction. rhett o rick Sep 2015 #112

And control of the media pays off as debates are sold as entertainment (nt) Babel_17 Sep 2015 #127

Absolutely. nm rhett o rick Sep 2015 #129

They tried to change the party from the top down. That is not real change. madfloridian Sep 2015 #117

I saw that handwriting on the wall back then RoccoR5955 Sep 2015 #120

It's strange that people voted for Saint Ronnie Unknown Beatle Sep 2015 #123

the same senario for Dems in 1972. demosincebirth Sep 2015 #128