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AtheistCrusader

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111. No, it shouldn't. Oath of office is on the bible to UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION, not the reverse.

Mon Sep 28, 2015, 01:51 PM

Sep 2015

Personal faith doesn't enter into it.

A Muslim doesn't get to refuse to issue a license to a restaurant with a lawful and complete application because they plan to have BLT's on the menu. (And no, I'm not suggesting one would)

When you are acting as an official of the state, you are carrying out the duties and powers OF THE STATE. Meaning, you ARE the state. When she signs those certificates it is not as Kim Davis, it is as the State of Kentucky. All she does is attest the form is complete and correct and valid, and all the fees paid, etc.

One does not get a personal opinion or a faith or anything. The individual filling that role as officer of the state effectively does not exist as part of the transaction. If you cannot represent the state and perform your duties as an organ of the state, when on duty, then DON'T TAKE THE FUCKING JOB.

If we allowed what you are suggesting, there would still be clerks unwilling to issue marriage licenses to interracial couples.

Stop and think for a second what the fuck you are arguing in favor of, would you? Please?

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The Pope Just Handed Kim Davis A Huge Win [View all] PeaceNikki Sep 2015 OP

Gods. I'm tired of seeing these same few comments reappear with replies. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #1

Yeah, it was cool of him to say that she should step down from her position PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #5

LARGE portions of the U.S. Workforce are built on the concept of "right to work." Miles Archer Sep 2015 #151

Where does Francis say anything even hinting at your extrapolated theory? He did not. Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #8

agree wordpix Sep 2015 #34

So, in this wonderful world you envision... trotsky Sep 2015 #66

This message was self-deleted by its author Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #96

Who would fire them? trotsky Sep 2015 #97

This message was self-deleted by its author Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #99

You can't fire an elected official. AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #109

You paint a picture of a wonderful utopia. trotsky Sep 2015 #112

She did promise to execute her duties on behalf of the state. That's why her stupid ass ended up in AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #108

MSNBC reporterd that he was specifically asked about government officials tishaLA Sep 2015 #91

You are right of course as is the pope Egnever Sep 2015 #110

She wasn't jailed for standing up for that belief. She was jailed for defying a lawful court order AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #116

What does that have to do with what I said? Egnever Sep 2015 #118

It would be a good rockfordfile Sep 2015 #122

. Egnever Sep 2015 #139

You said Erich was right. He is not right. AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #123

He didn't say any of the nonsense you posted Egnever Sep 2015 #138

There are clerk positions that cannot be sidestepped. AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #148

"conscientious objectors" is a completely false framing. Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #150

But he's dreamy!!... SidDithers Sep 2015 #2

You've said that how many dozens of times now? pnwmom Sep 2015 #104

I call him Pope Frankie McDreamy REP Sep 2015 #154

But Sid has no Renault and hardly ever wears the robes anymore. Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #179

As long as they are willing to suffer the fate Kelvin Mace Sep 2015 #3

So, there is no point to having laws at all. I see. djean111 Sep 2015 #4

And how many more clerks will feel empowered by his words to also conscientiously object? PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #9

How many more people will turn away from climate denial because of his words KittyWampus Sep 2015 #20

Have you met any yet? n/t trotsky Sep 2015 #44

Fighting Climate change without population control is nonsense LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #53

^^^^THIS^^^^ haikugal Sep 2015 #90

+1 Family Planning is a huge component. Think of it as conservation, if you must. AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #114

And, what will they object to? Should I just set my calendar back to 1963 and save myself some AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #113

You give atheists a bad name. Darb Sep 2015 #38

To be clear, I don't care in the slightest if someone hates me for my atheism. djean111 Sep 2015 #41

Why is it that atheists are always scolded and told to watch their words, Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #42

Bang on,. That is a fine observation. Atheists and agnostics are just supposed snagglepuss Sep 2015 #64

That was not a scold, just a correction and an opinion. Darb Sep 2015 #73

Nor did he say she should step down, or stop impeding others from doing their jobs. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #45

So I guess you should put words in his mouth? Darb Sep 2015 #67

I'd like to shove somethin' in his mouth, alright. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #68

Nice violent inference. And toward the Pope. Darb Sep 2015 #70

Do you ever think bad things about RW Republicans? Goblinmonger Sep 2015 #72

Would you mind linking to the "RW talking points"? Darb Sep 2015 #76

Two easy ones Goblinmonger Sep 2015 #79

And? Darb Sep 2015 #92

And, what? Goblinmonger Sep 2015 #101

The pope is a bigot rockfordfile Sep 2015 #129

lol PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #74

Thanks, I was actually goofing. Darb Sep 2015 #77

Oh, you missed the part where the WonderPope is ok with hitting people? AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #115

You give atheists a bad name LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #56

I won't alert, so don't worry. I can take the heat. Darb Sep 2015 #69

How is he different? Goblinmonger Sep 2015 #75

You Bernie supporters are a tough group. Funny that. Darb Sep 2015 #81

Benedict wrote books railing against capitalism and poverty. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #83

Referring back to my posts.....yep, I was right.... never said "revolutionary". Darb Sep 2015 #86

lol, I don't hate him, I just don't LIKE when people build him up as some liberal hero. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #88

Your exact words were "way beyond any Pope before him" Goblinmonger Sep 2015 #102

Wow. Not sure why this becomes a Sanders thing. Goblinmonger Sep 2015 #93

Obama is for LGBTQ rights so I have no issue with him LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #82

You have interesting opinions. Darb Sep 2015 #89

If you are uninformed about him why are you lecturing others about him? If you have not read Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #178

No he isn't. He's in perfect alignment with John Paul II, without the gold and red velvet that Ratzi AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #117

Remember when Atheists were nice and accomodating... Act_of_Reparation Sep 2015 #59

Oh thanks for the tone trolling. Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #106

No, it shouldn't. Oath of office is on the bible to UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION, not the reverse. AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #111

I'm sorry but you rockfordfile Sep 2015 #127

Of course he couldn't say that LuvNewcastle Sep 2015 #6

She has the right to refuse to issue licenses. tanyev Sep 2015 #7

Exactly. And I think that's what the pope is saying. Demit Sep 2015 #13

she should not have the right to refuse to do her job or any part of it saturnsring Sep 2015 #48

She just doesn't have the right to ..... AlbertCat Sep 2015 #50

Except she doesn't. jeff47 Sep 2015 #84

I am in agreement with you. tanyev Sep 2015 #142

No she has no such right. Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #163

And I agree with you. tanyev Sep 2015 #169

His fan base does not care about LGBT rights Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #10

+1 leftofcool Sep 2015 #11

Even worse, they LIE about it, tossing around the "Who I am to judge?" quote saying that he PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #12

Wow. Orrex Sep 2015 #14

More bullshit, different day. Darb Sep 2015 #40

No, clearly it's all about YOU PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #47

Well the Pope calls me disordered so I am nicer to him than he is to me. Your personal attack with Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #78

The pope calls same sex marriage an "anthropological regression", from what he claims is a AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #119

BNW has zero tolerance treestar Sep 2015 #192

100% correct. trotsky Sep 2015 #46

Much of his fan base may be more tolerant than you think struggle4progress Sep 2015 #100

Yet they still give the church money, and are counted among it's 'supporters' by the church lobbyist AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #107

Exactly! PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #125

Why should it be a mystery? Are they unable to express their tolerant natures? Other people see Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #171

As a conscientious objector to a duty inherent in the job Ilsa Sep 2015 #15

She does have a right to refuse, she does not have a right to stay in job she won't do. bowens43 Sep 2015 #16

Do you know how long I would have a job if I refused to do what I was paid to do? liberal N proud Sep 2015 #17

If more of us were conscientious objectors, we'd probably have a Hortensis Sep 2015 #18

I don't think it's a massive stretch to call him bullwinkle428 Sep 2015 #19

No, it isn't a "right" to discriminate against others. Solly Mack Sep 2015 #21

He's saying that conscientious objection is a right. Brickbat Sep 2015 #22

I'm very disappointed, but not surprised at MineralMan Sep 2015 #23

By that logic, it is our right to refuse service to religious people. And people with blue eyes. Zorra Sep 2015 #24

I'm not sure I agree 100% with your police work there, Lou. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2015 #25

He's the master of the vague statement - the political Rorschach ink blot PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #26

It's perfectly fine for the situation, IMHO. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2015 #28

This man is the world's leading advocate for overturning Roe v Wade. He comments on court Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #172

If you noted in my post, I said "in this one particular situation." Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2015 #177

I don't expect the RCC to welcome LGBT or even be super supportive of women ANY time PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #180

Yes, or had she quit the job, quietly treestar Sep 2015 #187

A "Win"? What does she "win"? jberryhill Sep 2015 #27

I don't get it either tammywammy Sep 2015 #30

On the contrary, they collaborate VERY well together to oppress women and gays. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #35

Don't Think So ProfessorGAC Sep 2015 #51

It's a fact. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #55

Prop 8 LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #65

You want evidence? They are actively meeting and organizing. Time Magazine, Nov 2014 Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #71

You're Right. I Was Wrong ProfessorGAC Sep 2015 #94

Thanks for reading and acknowledging it. I've posted it many times and the Pope fans just wont Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #121

BTW: ProfessorGAC Sep 2015 #167

Yep, the RCC was the second largest funder of Prop-8, behind the LDS church. AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #133

It was stated well above, I think PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #33

Oh, when it comes to Kim Davis, all of a sudden the Pope is infallible again? DetlefK Sep 2015 #29

The main point here edhopper Sep 2015 #31

Yep gollygee Sep 2015 #32

The Catholic Church does not run this country. alarimer Sep 2015 #36

That's pretty naive, don't you think? Act_of_Reparation Sep 2015 #61

I have serious Pope fatigue. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #37

"progressives should be working better angles on issues for the middle than 'the pope says so.'" trotsky Sep 2015 #49

"progressives should be working better angles on issues for the middle than 'the pope says so.'" Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #80

Good thing he doesn't make the laws here. Marrah_G Sep 2015 #39

In shocking news, it has been confirmed that the Pope is indeed, Catholic YoungDemCA Sep 2015 #43

Except that he is a religious figurehead and his word carries no legal, binding weight here NightWatcher Sep 2015 #52

Right, NOBODY cares what the pope has to say. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #54

Oh no! You interrupted the Pope Perfect Slobberfest once again! Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #57

They have a human responsibility to face the consequences of their choices. Agnosticsherbet Sep 2015 #58

Yep, this is why I stopped talking him up a year or so ago. This kind of stuff is unacceptable. stevenleser Sep 2015 #60

But he's cool and groovy very well-liked on DU! How could he be such a jerk? mr blur Sep 2015 #62

He is the number one promoter of bigotry on the planet. NCTraveler Sep 2015 #63

Says the pedophile protector Politicalboi Sep 2015 #85

Yep. Like his economics and environmentalism, hate his "everything else". (nt) jeff47 Sep 2015 #87

I usually don't want punitive treatment of people trying to live according to their consciences struggle4progress Sep 2015 #95

Agreed. She was violating the consciences of her subordinates who wanted to comply. nt pnwmom Sep 2015 #105

Oops, there is the Catholic Church I grew up in. artislife Sep 2015 #98

YOU ignore the fact that SHE was violating the consciences of her subordinates, pnwmom Sep 2015 #103

He was asked about her and he answered, very clearly. If he misspoke, he is free to clear that up. Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #120

I didn't and don't ignore that. This discussion is about Wonderpope McDreamy being asked a question. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #128

Yes, you did ignore that. He only answered in terms of generalities, after saying he didn't know pnwmom Sep 2015 #130

No, I didn't. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #135

Then please provide the relevant link where you mentioned it. n/t pnwmom Sep 2015 #140

I didn't. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #143

In a way Pope Francis is worse than Pope Ratzinger. ananda Sep 2015 #124

The reporter should have asked a follow-up question nichomachus Sep 2015 #126

Anytime I read or hear a religious extremist rockfordfile Sep 2015 #131

This is why this Pope is just so swell... joeybee12 Sep 2015 #132

I think what is lacking in this whole argument is that the Pope just doesn't "get" CTyankee Sep 2015 #134

County clerks are being DRAFTED against their will now? CharlotteVale Sep 2015 #136

Who cares, if he says nice things Call Me Wesley Sep 2015 #137

This ^ PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #141

Hello! :) Call Me Wesley Sep 2015 #144

THANK YOU LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #146

Because he's a very cool Pope. Call Me Wesley Sep 2015 #147

If Kim David only became "Christian" when she stopped being a Baptist... brooklynite Sep 2015 #145

1. He isn't a U.S. citizen, let alone an official one; 2. C.O.'s must also accept penalties. WinkyDink Sep 2015 #149

#3. We have separation of church and state here in the U.S. Italy does not... CTyankee Sep 2015 #152

Fuck him and anyone else who thinks bigots should be dedended by claiming they're a c/o beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #153

But he's Pope Frankie McDreamy, the cool pope with hip PR! REP Sep 2015 #155

I must have missed Kim Davis being mentioned. rug Sep 2015 #156

Please, Rug, no rationality allowed here. People are parsing the Pope. bklyncowgirl Sep 2015 #157

The pope IS a homophobe. I posted an excerpt from his book upthread AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #159

Please, AC, no rationality allowed here. People are praising the Pope. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #160

Whatever...time will tell whether he's undergoing a change of heart or not. bklyncowgirl Sep 2015 #162

Men who are within a year in age to Francis include Jack Nicholson, Warren Beatty, Morgan Freeman Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #168

"Pope Francis said on Monday government officials have a "human right" to refuse to discharge a duty Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #164

We're VERMIN, not "yapping Chihuahuas" PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #174

The question cited Kim Davis specifically. Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #176

Want to backtrack on that now they confirmed he met with her? nt joeybee12 Sep 2015 #184

As soon as yo get a sorce besides Davis' lawyers rug Sep 2015 #185

Apparently you won't... joeybee12 Sep 2015 #188

Ah, it boils down to public relations and bigotry. rug Sep 2015 #196

As long as his apologists are out in force defending him at every turn like this... cleanhippie Sep 2015 #197

Yup, they'll soon be demanding photos, video joeybee12 Sep 2015 #198

One could provide live video and a certified transcript, and some shyster lawyer types cleanhippie Sep 2015 #199

Like the Vatican? Will that do? PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #189

Since they met earlier in his visit, I think that's clear. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #186

And what precisely was discussed? rug Sep 2015 #190

Probably chocolate chip cookie recipes! Or how bad the fucking Chicago Bears suck! PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #191

That's as plausible as the cabal being suggested. rug Sep 2015 #195

he is being misrepresented restorefreedom Sep 2015 #158

lol, that link has exactly the same words as the OP. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #175

The pope did not hand anybody anything. He runs a theocracy. We do not. CBGLuthier Sep 2015 #161

The RCC was part of the hobby lobby decision. Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #165

And Prop 8 and nearly every one of the HUNDREDS of anti-choice laws written and/or passed. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #173

I'm glad he visited a prison and didn't have a photo op with her. mucifer Sep 2015 #166

Latest meme going around about Kim Davis Capt. Obvious Sep 2015 #170

Maybe he meant during a war. Rex Sep 2015 #181

Yes. It's a political Rorschach ink blot. It means what you want it to mean. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #182

I am kicking this since it takes on a new context now that we know they met. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #183

That's what her lawyer said. Octafish Sep 2015 #193

And the Vatican also, too!! PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #194

So it's official, he endorsed an anti-gay bigot.... truebrit71 Sep 2015 #200

What did she win?? nt kelliekat44 Sep 2015 #201

The Pope's seal of approval for her bigotry. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #202