General Discussion

branford

(4,462 posts)

102. We don't have a "staggering rise of gun violence and accidents."

Reply to Dont call me Shirley (Reply #100)

Mon Sep 28, 2015, 04:50 PM

Sep 2015

In fact, we've nearly cut our crime rate in half over the last few decades, all while tens of millions of more guns were lawfully sold and owned and firearms ownership and carry laws significantly liberalized across most of the country (even before the Heller and McDonald Supreme Court decisions).

Of course, you can hate or love guns for whatever reason you want, but increased media availability and perception and anecdotes don't substitute for facts and statistics. Further, I would support programs to improve mental healthcare, the economy, community solidarity, irrespective of the firearm issue, as well as programs that actually improve gun "safety," rather than transparent attempts at incremental bans or efforts to change "gun culture."

Knee-jerk support for any policy the seems to be "anti-gun," without regard for whether it would actually do anything or targets firearm owners who are already law abiding and do not statistically contribute to gun crime or accidents, is exactly the type of attitude that destroys trust and ensures no compromises are achievable that might actually improve gun safety.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

108 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

NRA News [View all] kpete Sep 2015 OP

That's silly. They commit then because of protruding pistol grips. krispos42 Sep 2015 #1

blame the victim... CTyankee Sep 2015 #2

Yeah shenmue Sep 2015 #51

Well, nowadays dad's teach their kids how to kill with guns and indoctrinate them into gun culture. Hoyt Sep 2015 #3

So you are doing what to stop this? oneshooter Sep 2015 #4

Well, you darn sure aren't doing anything but promoting guns in more places -- ONESHOOTER. Hoyt Sep 2015 #5

I have already admitted that I am a NRA member. oneshooter Sep 2015 #6

So what are you doing about your organization and it's overwhelming Kingofalldems Sep 2015 #11

The same as anyone, vote. n/t oneshooter Sep 2015 #44

Would you kindly provide the links detailing any crimes or accidents branford Sep 2015 #8

Many of the mass shooters were brought up in gun culture, as are many of the militia types. Hoyt Sep 2015 #10

So, excess verbiage aside, you don't in fact have any citations branford Sep 2015 #13

Hoyt never provides any proof, GGJohn Sep 2015 #16

I posted photos and anyone who isn't a gun promoter can see how gunz are marketed Hoyt Sep 2015 #27

I'm reading a lot of words, branford Sep 2015 #32

Uh, second photo looks like the louis-t Sep 2015 #34

Some of the Gungeoneers revere old Randy. GGJohn Sep 2015 #14

Here's one of many threads where gunners expressed their support for the racist gun trafficker. Hoyt Sep 2015 #33

"Randy Weaver was a racist scumbag" is an 'expression of support' to you? friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #35

So you cherry pick one posr, even that person is on Weaver's side. Hoyt Sep 2015 #50

I'm still waiting for a link that proves that pro 2A members here support Weaver. GGJohn Sep 2015 #53

To be blunt, Hoyt: You say many things that aren't true- and this is one of them friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #98

You just can't help yourself can you. GGJohn Sep 2015 #48

Is "gun culture" TeddyR Sep 2015 #45

You mean like this? oneshooter Sep 2015 #46

Here's a link to the accident-about-to-happen in the second picture Art_from_Ark Sep 2015 #60

Ok, you posted some pictures. GGJohn Sep 2015 #9

Daddies teach their kids to kill, carry gunz, and worse. Hoyt Sep 2015 #12

They do? GGJohn Sep 2015 #15

Since you've admitted on here to being a robber Lee-Lee Sep 2015 #20

I did not admit that, some folks like you can't read in context. Hoyt Sep 2015 #28

Quoth Hoyt: "As a former robber, I locked the door to keep people out, especially police." friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #36

Glad you get it. You too are in that crowd that lacks perception. Hoyt Sep 2015 #37

I find your concern for workplace safety to be on a par with your command of English friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #38

I know, you are just a vicarious gun fancier and gun promoter. Hoyt Sep 2015 #39

Odium from one who claims magical powers and defames other DUers carries no sting friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #40

Were you a robber, or were you not? If you were prevaricating then, why believe you now? friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #41

You aren't going to agree with anyone who doesn't worship gunz. eom Hoyt Sep 2015 #42

Correction: I'm not going to agree with anyone whose word can't be trusted. eom friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #43

I guess the NRA is more your style. Hoyt Sep 2015 #52

I guess less than truthful posts are more your style. eom. GGJohn Sep 2015 #54

"So you could control the situation." DashOneBravo Sep 2015 #56

Better than every paranoid gun fancier carrying a gun ready to shoot and play cowboy. Hoyt Sep 2015 #57

And you continue to slander firearm owners. GGJohn Sep 2015 #58

They deserve it, they are selfish people that value their need to fondle weapons over society's good Hoyt Sep 2015 #61

And the lies keep piling up. GGJohn Sep 2015 #68

It's a trust issue DashOneBravo Sep 2015 #59

How is anyone supposed to know the yahoo with a gun on his hip Hoyt Sep 2015 #62

You could pose more challenging questions. branford Sep 2015 #65

It won't reduce acts of violence- that's an issue totally unrelated but it will Lee-Lee Sep 2015 #7

Bingo. NickB79 Sep 2015 #24

Respect? How about fear? If only the NRA did not pimp firearms like they are candy. Rex Sep 2015 #17

How are the NRA hypocrites? branford Sep 2015 #21

Because it always has an extreme right wing message and never changes course. Rex Sep 2015 #22

You didn't answer my question or explain your earlier post. branford Sep 2015 #25

Yes they practice RWing messaging and propaganda, not my fault if you ignore my words. Rex Sep 2015 #26

A belief, even if true, that the NRA is a "hate group" branford Sep 2015 #31

You conviently forget the NRA's political arm explicitly running ads to defeat Obama. It's a right Hoyt Sep 2015 #55

First, I "forgot" nothing, and actually explained -why- the NRA-ILA branford Sep 2015 #63

Never said it makes them "hypocrites." You are the one stuck on that. Hoyt Sep 2015 #64

My entire discussion with Rex that you joined concerned purported NRA hypocrisy. branford Sep 2015 #66

5 million right wing, racist members and leadership to match. Hoyt Sep 2015 #72

Oh, so you know every member of the NRA? GGJohn Sep 2015 #76

Here are just a few examples of those who the members elect for leadership positions. Hoyt Sep 2015 #85

So all 5 million members voted for them? GGJohn Sep 2015 #86

If one were not a racist, right winger (or at least sympathetic), why belong to the NRA. Hoyt Sep 2015 #87

Maybe because the NRA offers great safety programs? GGJohn Sep 2015 #89

Sounds like the excuse candidates give if they are caught speaking to the KKK or something. Hoyt Sep 2015 #90

Wow!!!! GGJohn Sep 2015 #92

Look GG, if one belongs to the Ayran Nation or something, they are racist. Don't see much Hoyt Sep 2015 #93

Another factless Hoytism. GGJohn Sep 2015 #94

It must chap your ass that a moron like Ted Nugent is kicking your butt hack89 Sep 2015 #88

You must like teddy. Hoyt Sep 2015 #96

With President Obama and other Dem leaders looking out for gun owners hack89 Sep 2015 #97

They love them some Ted Cruz! Rex Sep 2015 #82

Waste of time, some people here don't care about reality. If they did they would know the NRA Rex Sep 2015 #67

Wow!!! GGJohn Sep 2015 #69

I'll take his company over a bunch of people that covet lethal weapons over human life. Rex Sep 2015 #77

+1. Hoyt Sep 2015 #73

Gun humpers are fucked up people, they love a killing machine over their own childrens life. Rex Sep 2015 #78

Usage of "gun humpers," together with allegations of mental illness branford Sep 2015 #80

Interesting you identify with what I typed. Rex Sep 2015 #81

I often post on the topic of firearm rights and have repeatedly discussed my background. branford Sep 2015 #83

So I should stop running my safety classes, because of "NRA" oneshooter Sep 2015 #84

Oh and PS...school shooting don't happen because of children that is the dumbest Rex Sep 2015 #18

I'm floored. That's like saying rape happens because women don't respect penises. Glassunion Sep 2015 #19

Same mindset at work. Well said. (nt) Paladin Sep 2015 #23

That's the "I'm the NRA" mindset... villager Sep 2015 #30

I would venture sarisataka Sep 2015 #29

That is because they are gun"control" not gun safety. oneshooter Sep 2015 #47

nice try nra. spanone Sep 2015 #49

WRONG again NRA. Bullying is what causes school shootings. Dont call me Shirley Sep 2015 #70

Interesting. branford Sep 2015 #71

I totally support strict gun control. And effective anti-bullying campaigns. Dont call me Shirley Sep 2015 #75

I know. branford Sep 2015 #79

I'm not in Congress or the legislature. Why are you picking on me? We are on the same side... Dont call me Shirley Sep 2015 #91

I was referring to elected representatives, just like many here on DU, branford Sep 2015 #95

I hate guns, period, personal thing. But we must have a comprehensive program to address Dont call me Shirley Sep 2015 #100

We don't have a "staggering rise of gun violence and accidents." branford Sep 2015 #102

Here... Dont call me Shirley Sep 2015 #103

There has been a small spike this year in some areas, but the overall crime rate branford Sep 2015 #105

"(H)ard data and statistics do not lie. Feel free to review them yourself at the FBI...websites": friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #107

To the hosts: Why is this in GD? Are we still under a Rolling Exception for guns? Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #74

Every time you post, whether in GD, LBN, Obituraries, etc., you are promoting gunz by the Hoyt Sep 2015 #101

Ah, Hoyt. Get over it. BTW, where did the OP go? Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #104

Why don't you get over OP's about guns, especially considering all your posts reference gunz. Hoyt Sep 2015 #106

Oh, fiddle dee-dee. Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #108

When I was a kid, one of those well-trained youths brought her rifle to school & killed her teacher. Mister Ed Sep 2015 #99