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174. No one is talking about jurisdiction or policy. We are talking about the efforts of far too many

Mon Sep 28, 2015, 06:02 PM

Sep 2015

in the white liberal left to pretend that class issues are the last hurdle to climb and that once economic issues are addressed, everything else, including racism will fall away.

Racist attitudes and practices will endure as they always have. But the best way to change these racist behaviors and attitudes is to make the behavior illegal (practices) and call them out (attitude). To inform the people who hold these views that they are not "sufficient" to address the dagger that's been lodged in this country's back for 400 years.

You keep mentioning the CRM and its economic approach. I have never denied that economics is ONE aspect of this so I'm not sure why you keep beating that drum. When my grandparents were out marching for their rights, the right to have a job where they wanted was one of them. But so was also the right to educate their children where they wanted as well as live where they wanted. For the last time, the economics was ONE and only ONE component of their overall fight.

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WashPo: Warren just gave the speech that Black Lives Matter activists have been waiting for [View all] portlander23 Sep 2015 OP

Is there legislation ready-to-go? What if Boehner pushed it through on his way out? Schema Thing Sep 2015 #1

Liz Warren on the drug war and marijuana legalization: Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #2

Please do not call her Liz. sheshe2 Sep 2015 #36

Has she asked people not to call her that? Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #68

The only place I have ever seen her called Liz is on DU. sheshe2 Sep 2015 #78

Like I said, if Liz Warren has specifically asked people not to call her "Liz", I wont. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #83

I used to rationalize my pronounced lack of respect and character also. LanternWaste Sep 2015 #227

I'm so very glad you've grown out of it! Good for you! Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #228

omg. That is what you choose to focus on with this OP ?! Really ?! Hiraeth Sep 2015 #97

Almost like she's trying to sway the discussion from Warren's message. nt valerief Sep 2015 #109

yeah, sort of transparent, isn't it? Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #129

She's my senator, too. In fact, every U.S. senator affects every American. valerief Sep 2015 #108

Here's an idea-- how about we speak for ourselves? /nt Marr Sep 2015 #200

Because that might involve that poster actually having to address the point i made? Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #229

I think you're right. /nt Marr Sep 2015 #231

Try Googling the term "Liz Warren." See how many hits you will get. totodeinhere Sep 2015 #222

Biden An Architect Of the Drug War billhicks76 Sep 2015 #115

the main reason I will never ever vote for biden is.. Javaman Sep 2015 #123

No...Some In Our Party Are Lazy And Stupid billhicks76 Sep 2015 #186

That and the Bankruptcy bill are my biggest problems with Biden. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #232

I followed this speech on twitter gwheezie Sep 2015 #3

This is an important speech. brer cat Sep 2015 #4

"Economic justice is not — and has never been — sufficient to ensure racial justice" tishaLA Sep 2015 #5

She's going to be on the national stage soon. Maybe Sanders will put her in the cabinet. Doctor_J Sep 2015 #6

Sanders should put her on the ticket ArcticFox Sep 2015 #15

I don't know. Two NE liberals probably not enough balance. Doctor_J Sep 2015 #17

Barbara Lee would be a great choice. Alittleliberal Sep 2015 #30

I like your thinking, but she'll be 70 y.o. next November Doctor_J Sep 2015 #33

lol, a Jewish democratic socialist and a Muslim (who happens to be Black) Chitown Kev Sep 2015 #63

Yes she would! lonestarnot Sep 2015 #212

Geography balance makes sense, but VP should be a populist liberal like he is... cascadiance Sep 2015 #87

She'd be wasted in that job tularetom Sep 2015 #67

If Bernie goes for one term, if she has designs for the presidency, it still might be her best spot. cascadiance Sep 2015 #89

She will be on the national stage endorsing Hillary. sheshe2 Sep 2015 #58

Of course she will, she is a good Democrat. But why didn't H. Clinton give this speech? rhett o rick Sep 2015 #116

Really, the opposite? jfern Sep 2015 #131

You're putting the cart before the horse Cali_Democrat Sep 2015 #107

The Populist Movement is going to sweep the Corporatist Democrats out of the Party leadership. rhett o rick Sep 2015 #117

I so hope that will be the case. darkangel218 Sep 2015 #127

She's on the national stage now loyalsister Sep 2015 #192

Hopefully as Senate Majority Leader then jfern Sep 2015 #194

I think she's stronger where she is loyalsister Sep 2015 #208

Well, we really need someone better than Chuck Schumer as Senate leader jfern Sep 2015 #209

I agree loyalsister Sep 2015 #210

K&R! Omaha Steve Sep 2015 #7

Wow, those are some powerful words and truths tomm2thumbs Sep 2015 #8

Some here will promptly throw her under the bus for saying so. Nt stevenleser Sep 2015 #9

No. they won't. And that's because Senator Warren said it. PragmaticLiberal Sep 2015 #21

Yep, particularly if you or I said that in certain conversations... stevenleser Sep 2015 #22

Exactly PragmaticLiberal Sep 2015 #26

... artislife Sep 2015 #84

But you wouldn't say it Bugenhagen Sep 2015 #187

Lol, you need to read the two sentences you posted and think stevenleser Sep 2015 #188

And here is something else you did to out yourself stevenleser Sep 2015 #189

(That poster has been here for over 8 years) cyberswede Sep 2015 #204

Not really. stevenleser Sep 2015 #214

They may read more than they post. cyberswede Sep 2015 #219

They don't seem the shy kind. stevenleser Sep 2015 #220

A retread who signed up 8 years ago? Doubtful. cyberswede Sep 2015 #224

Why would you say something nasty like that Steve? haikugal Sep 2015 #29

Does he ever say anything else? Scootaloo Sep 2015 #82

You mean besides evidence, history and experience? Besides those things why would I say that? stevenleser Sep 2015 #106

""We have to address both" - Bernie Sanders jfern Sep 2015 #203

Warren is saying that an emphasis is economic justice is not sufficient-it will not trickle down riversedge Sep 2015 #103

Nope jfern Sep 2015 #133

Then folks are hypocrites. Because folks here who defended BLM said the same thing and were stevenleser Sep 2015 #135

Where were they criticized? jfern Sep 2015 #137

You're kidding me right? You are telling me you missed that whole thing that happened over 4-6 weeks stevenleser Sep 2015 #139

It never happened! randys1 Sep 2015 #142

I can't take it here sometimes... stevenleser Sep 2015 #143

It must be tough being asked for evidence for your claims jfern Sep 2015 #147

LOL, everyone reading this knows exactly what I am talking about, including you. stevenleser Sep 2015 #161

This is exactly what happened to Bravenak and a few others rbrnmw Sep 2015 #182

Yep. I got tired of that poster playing games with this issue and put them on ignore. stevenleser Sep 2015 #183

Of course it is rbrnmw Sep 2015 #185

What? A bunch of people who all agree that black lives matter jfern Sep 2015 #144

Just as I thought. You knew exactly what we were talking about. stevenleser Sep 2015 #163

So you agree that everyone agreed that black lives matter? jfern Sep 2015 #166

Nope. They most certainly did not. They thought BLM was a scam, a Hillary ploy. nt stevenleser Sep 2015 #167

I bet they still though black lives matter jfern Sep 2015 #169

Nope. Here are some links for you stevenleser Sep 2015 #172

Besides the conspiracy theories, that's basically just a question about tacticts jfern Sep 2015 #175

Well Steve Shankapotomus Sep 2015 #198

Secret Service doesn't let you shove aside the person they are protecting jfern Sep 2015 #199

Shorter version: You guys are caught in hypocrisy. Full stop. Nt stevenleser Sep 2015 #202

Lawd! Chitown Kev Sep 2015 #148

Where were people saying black lives didn't matter? jfern Sep 2015 #157

Several of the hosts of the AA forum are just downthread. You could ask them. stevenleser Sep 2015 #162

You made the claim, no need to have people ask someone else for evidence jfern Sep 2015 #164

LMAO. OK, so you are afraid of directly asking the folks who this impacts the most. stevenleser Sep 2015 #165

I'm not playing games, I've always thought that black lives matter jfern Sep 2015 #168

See my #172 and yes you are playing games with advocacy for the lives of black people. nt stevenleser Sep 2015 #173

You are the one playing the games jfern Sep 2015 #176

Nope, and see my #172. The posts are there stevenleser Sep 2015 #177

Your comments are very divisive jfern Sep 2015 #178

+100000 -- this nonsense is beyond done nashville_brook Sep 2015 #197

But it wasn't the goals or message of BLM Shankapotomus Sep 2015 #205

This message was self-deleted by its author aikoaiko Oct 2015 #233

BLM was criticized for tactics and the message it sent about Bernie. aikoaiko Oct 2015 #234

Total misrepresentation of your fellow Democrats Shankapotomus Sep 2015 #195

Nope, it's not. And you can see multiple hosts from the AA group below who agree with me. stevenleser Sep 2015 #215

Now I know you're wrong Shankapotomus Sep 2015 #221

Nope, it's clear you are wrong. You know better about a minority issue than the minority in question stevenleser Sep 2015 #223

This is not a minority issue Shankapotomus Sep 2015 #225

You mean like what happened to the person who said this? jfern Sep 2015 #201

Sanders + Warren 2016 nuff said n/t retrowire Sep 2015 #10

Hopefully so!! darkangel218 Sep 2015 #128

No thanks. leftofcool Sep 2015 #153

What's not to like? ozone_man Sep 2015 #191

K&R. nt awoke_in_2003 Sep 2015 #11

This on the heels of her appearance on The Late Show...I have NorthCarolina Sep 2015 #12

The one that she stopped just short of endorsing: George II Sep 2015 #27

Kick kick kick~ sheshe2 Sep 2015 #79

But declines to endorse her....nt artislife Sep 2015 #86

"Economic justice is not — and has never been — sufficient to ensure racial justice." zappaman Sep 2015 #13

This message was self-deleted by its author Number23 Sep 2015 #18

Exactly what's been said in the AfAm group here since the year dot. greatauntoftriplets Sep 2015 #24

Kick kick kick~ sheshe2 Sep 2015 #61

I am! sheshe2 Sep 2015 #60

and yet druidity33 Sep 2015 #95

Sorry buddy, they are not the same. Ask Chris Rock leftofcool Sep 2015 #96

Or the guy the cops tackled inn NYC randys1 Sep 2015 #145

who said they were the same? Not me... druidity33 Sep 2015 #190

And Bernie has a strong racial justice section platform on his website jfern Sep 2015 #193

Please don't separate them yet again TM99 Sep 2015 #102

+1 Paka Sep 2015 #132

No one is making that claim. Economic justice will not ensure racial justice but rhett o rick Sep 2015 #118

Yes, Rick. zappaman Sep 2015 #120

Absolutely correct! d_legendary1 Sep 2015 #155

If Ahmed Muhammed has taught us anything, it should be this. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2015 #206

she is just cindyperry2010 Sep 2015 #14

DAYUUMM!!! Number23 Sep 2015 #16

"Maybe now that somebody not black has finally said this clearly and LOUDLY" tishaLA Sep 2015 #19

Four hours into this thread, almost half the respondents in it are regulars in the AA forum Number23 Sep 2015 #20

Bernie supporters here owe the AA group and members an apology stevenleser Sep 2015 #23

Amen. greatauntoftriplets Sep 2015 #25

yup, and i also give credit to blm and related activists for Warren's Words JI7 Sep 2015 #38

Not all of them, steve. We have a sizeable number of Bernie supporters in AA Number23 Sep 2015 #39

Bravenak was one of the Bernie supporters. And she was shot down by other Bernie people pnwmom Sep 2015 #43

Bravenak will tell you, we actually got into it a bit. Not regarding her support for Sanders Number23 Sep 2015 #46

The greatest weakness pnwmom Sep 2015 #51

Absolutely. And the branding of the AA forum as "pro Hillary" when it is nothing of the sort Number23 Sep 2015 #55

And pnwmom Sep 2015 #56

Gee, would you listen to someone Art_from_Ark Sep 2015 #70

African American thinkers from Malcolm X to Ta-Nehisi Coates have argued the case for violence tishaLA Sep 2015 #92

You don't think that bragging about torching someone else's property is not an issue??? Art_from_Ark Sep 2015 #93

Of course Sanders isn't perfect jfern Sep 2015 #138

She ain't no damned Hillary supporter either, I can tell you. nt Bonobo Sep 2015 #52

Right, she isn't. But some Bernie supporters have claimed she is pnwmom Sep 2015 #57

Not me. And one point I'd like to make that I know some of you already understand... Bonobo Sep 2015 #64

That all seems like a reasonable possibility. pnwmom Sep 2015 #66

Agreed and thank you for your response, sincerely. nt Bonobo Sep 2015 #72

I appreciate your post. Sincerely. tishaLA Sep 2015 #71

I understand entirely. Big ugly emotions come out and empathy flies out the window. Bonobo Sep 2015 #73

Sad to hear she's left for good The Polack MSgt Sep 2015 #113

We'd love to have you in the AA forum, ThePolack. Number23 Sep 2015 #150

that's heartbreaking, number 23 onpatrol98 Sep 2015 #125

We are cool as hell again though so it all worked out. Number23 Sep 2015 #151

i remember that time JI7 Sep 2015 #207

I agree, but far too few. If 85% of the site supports Sanders as polls here keep indicating... stevenleser Sep 2015 #216

Yep shenmue Sep 2015 #80

Yes, yes. yes! leftofcool Sep 2015 #99

+ a million lunamagica Sep 2015 #122

Holy shit 23! sheshe2 Sep 2015 #34

I couldn't care less about nameless fools disliking me nor the attempts to pretend that a certain Number23 Sep 2015 #41

Why would she be thrown under the bus? RichVRichV Sep 2015 #75

K sheshe2 Sep 2015 #77

I have been here for a while now. RichVRichV Sep 2015 #91

Exactly, Warren and Sanders are saying pretty much the same thing jfern Sep 2015 #141

No, the have NOT said the same thing leftofcool Sep 2015 #154

As I was saying, Bernie has been attacked a lot because he's been jfern Sep 2015 #156

Exactly artislife Sep 2015 #90

Maybe I'm reading her statements differently. Baitball Blogger Sep 2015 #65

I think she's pretty clear in her statement. Number23 Sep 2015 #69

I get the feeling that we have been agreeing with each other all along. Baitball Blogger Sep 2015 #111

I don't know if we're on the same page or not. I have seen the old "rising tide lifts all boats" Number23 Sep 2015 #152

What she said was, that it wasn't "sufficient." Baitball Blogger Sep 2015 #159

It's not sufficient because it doesn't address the issue, its causes or its effects. That's why it's Number23 Sep 2015 #160

This doesn't address the point I made in my last statement: Baitball Blogger Sep 2015 #171

No one is talking about jurisdiction or policy. We are talking about the efforts of far too many Number23 Sep 2015 #174

I think everyone thinks that racism is an issue, it's just how much jfern Sep 2015 #180

Exactly. But there are those that want to build a strawman to fight. And while Sen Sanders is for rhett o rick Sep 2015 #121

Yes, that is my take on that sentence as well. The operative word being: INJUSTICE. Hiraeth Sep 2015 #98

ROFL gollygee Sep 2015 #170

Love this. NCTraveler Sep 2015 #28

Reminder: Sanders never said economic justice alone Bonobo Sep 2015 #31

Convenient ignore of that as usual Hydra Sep 2015 #37

At the Netroots meeting all he could talk about, when confronted by the BLM, pnwmom Sep 2015 #44

That's not the same thing. Bonobo Sep 2015 #47

When someone begs you for a BLT and your only response is to talk about your ham sandwich, pnwmom Sep 2015 #49

I like your counterargument! Bonobo Sep 2015 #50

Thanks, Bonobo. pnwmom Sep 2015 #53

Fair enough, it is a good argument. So how about this- Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #136

It was a good one. Ed Suspicious Sep 2015 #126

No one at Netroots was begging to hear his social justice platform. bobbobbins01 Sep 2015 #146

And I'd vote for that ham sandwich.. Snap the Turtle Sep 2015 #158

Hillary Clinton to Black Lives Matter: "I'm going to keep talking" Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #74

"Economic justice is not — and has never been — sufficient to ensure racial justice" NuclearDem Sep 2015 #32

Righteous! ismnotwasm Sep 2015 #35

k&r Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #40

when DU began disparaging "identity politics" tishaLA Sep 2015 #48

I wish I had more excitement over the election itself. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #62

I doubt it, they got the phrase "identity politics" from Dear Leader. They think it's catchy, I.... Tarheel_Dem Sep 2015 #85

I hate that phrase so much. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #100

Excellent speech. JEB Sep 2015 #42

President Obama is the living embodiment of that. Economic justice doesn't automatically pnwmom Sep 2015 #45

Good for Warren, but don't all the Democratic candidates say something similar? Comrade Grumpy Sep 2015 #54

Yeah. What she said. Matariki Sep 2015 #59

She gets it. herding cats Sep 2015 #76

"Economic justice is not and has never been sufficient to ensure racial justice." sheshe2 Sep 2015 #81

Finally. n/t Tarheel_Dem Sep 2015 #88

Yep. Amazing how WHAT is being said around here is not nearly as important as WHO is saying it?? Number23 Sep 2015 #94

So not agreeing with only one, yes, ONE TM99 Sep 2015 #104

They only need us to show up and vote. That seems to be the extent of their "concern". Tarheel_Dem Sep 2015 #114

EXACTLY. Number23 Sep 2015 #149

Warren is saying that even if economic justice is achieved, it will not trickle down to riversedge Sep 2015 #101

I'm on Cape Cod off-season & just saw a young black F driver pulled over by police wordpix Sep 2015 #105

That was a great speech, but the truly brave pol will be the one who explains WHO valerief Sep 2015 #110

Yes... but who benefits... AOR Sep 2015 #119

If only she were the woman running for President............... jalan48 Sep 2015 #112

Awesome! WTG Senator Warren!!!! (nt) LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #124

Body Cameras For Police Officers Is No Way To Build Trust NonMetro Sep 2015 #130

Agreed. It would be tragic if police tishaLA Sep 2015 #134

Reality is, there are so many cameras around they need to behave as if they are being watched anyway stevenleser Sep 2015 #140

You're Right. NonMetro Sep 2015 #179

My only concern would be stage left Sep 2015 #184

Right. You Were Under Suspicion At All Times. NonMetro Sep 2015 #217

Yes, cashiers have been known stage left Sep 2015 #226

For Over 200 Years, Business Operated Just Fine Without Cameras, or... NonMetro Sep 2015 #230

There is no trust gollygee Sep 2015 #213

How Do You Think We Ended Up With 2 Million People In Jail? NonMetro Sep 2015 #218

K&R. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #181

Good speech. One quibble, though... Ken Burch Sep 2015 #196

Never heard her acknowledge her white privilege. cheapdate Sep 2015 #211