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In reply to the discussion: Pope will address Congress - Sack cartoon [View all]MADem
(135,425 posts)64. I am not "throwing that around." I think the BBC reported the exchange accurately.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-23489702
As he often does, he says things that can be interpreted in more than one way. This isn't accidental with him. He is a very astute politician, because he knows how to throw out the line in such a way that people will often hear what they want to hear. The line can also be reeled back in if needs must, without appearing to retract any substance.
He's advancing the dialogue on this score because his comments, though not signalling any real change, do signal an attitude adjustment--and that's usually the first step.
Is it perfect? Hell no. Acceptable? Certainly not. It's a step up from "STONE THEM!!!!!" But that institution moves at a glacial pace, and at least he's started the process.
On this issue, he's barely an inch off the starting block, and the race will be a long and likely arduous one--there is no "Supreme Court" at the Vatican.
Perhaps the next Pope will realize that the way to grow the organization is to be more, not less, inclusive. I suspect this guy knows that, but he knows that the culture isn't ready to endorse change. I think it'll come to 'em eventually. Time will tell.
As he often does, he says things that can be interpreted in more than one way. This isn't accidental with him. He is a very astute politician, because he knows how to throw out the line in such a way that people will often hear what they want to hear. The line can also be reeled back in if needs must, without appearing to retract any substance.
He's advancing the dialogue on this score because his comments, though not signalling any real change, do signal an attitude adjustment--and that's usually the first step.
Is it perfect? Hell no. Acceptable? Certainly not. It's a step up from "STONE THEM!!!!!" But that institution moves at a glacial pace, and at least he's started the process.
On this issue, he's barely an inch off the starting block, and the race will be a long and likely arduous one--there is no "Supreme Court" at the Vatican.
Perhaps the next Pope will realize that the way to grow the organization is to be more, not less, inclusive. I suspect this guy knows that, but he knows that the culture isn't ready to endorse change. I think it'll come to 'em eventually. Time will tell.
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12 bad things the last 2 popes agreed on. Now tell us the things they disagree on. n/t
mhatrw
Sep 2015
#23
It's fine--when you display it horizontally or vertically, it's blue field to the left (closest to
MADem
Sep 2015
#56
From what I understood, he is addressing Congress as Head of State from Vatican City, which is
Ghost in the Machine
Sep 2015
#24
Why are you being so doggone combative? The guy said he could be wrong and it wouldn't
MADem
Sep 2015
#65
He "entered our Congress and lectured our representatives" at the EXPRESS INVITATION of the
MADem
Sep 2015
#49
Well, the Pope, I suspect, has his own agenda and it is in line with his church's doctrine BUT
MADem
Sep 2015
#55
"Who am I to judge?" was not a comment about gay people, it was about gay priests.
PeaceNikki
Sep 2015
#58
I am not "throwing that around." I think the BBC reported the exchange accurately.
MADem
Sep 2015
#64
Some people might say that a crowd of people smaller than the population of Boston MA living up
MADem
Sep 2015
#48
Is "Palestine" a state? Can't find it on any map, so labeled, these days, and many
MADem
Sep 2015
#54