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9. The actual number is around 30% not 57%

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Tue Sep 29, 2015, 06:55 AM

Sep 2015

Exhibit '6' .... The percentages do not equal 100.
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57% of those visiting exchange websites could not find a plan they could afford. [View all] eridani Sep 2015 OP

This was a completely predictable outcome of allowing the health care companies to extract GoneFishin Sep 2015 #1

Every weasel tactic must become a thing of history. Enthusiast Sep 2015 #4

That is why they were concern one. raouldukelives Sep 2015 #17

This was completely predicted as well. hughee99 Sep 2015 #19

How timely. I just found out my barely "affordable health care" just went up 300%. GoneFishin Sep 2015 #78

A universal single payer system with no insurance industry influence is the only answer. Enthusiast Sep 2015 #2

It's actually 29.6% that couldn't find a plan they could afford (57% of 52%) Angleae Sep 2015 #3

Good point but... striegl Sep 2015 #11

Not only that, it's asking the opinion of someone as to whether or not they can afford it Major Nikon Sep 2015 #23

Excellent points, all. Opinions are extremely subjective. I'm a little bemused Hortensis Sep 2015 #37

Good catch. pnwmom Sep 2015 #44

Okay. I am not up on how to work with these statistics but jwirr Sep 2015 #103

They fudged the numbers striegl Sep 2015 #123

A plan you can barely afford with a $5,000 deductible is no plan at all. hobbit709 Sep 2015 #5

I disagree Major Nikon Sep 2015 #20

A $5000 deductable is enough to drive some families into bankruptcy, alas Orrex Sep 2015 #25

I can't imagine that being too many Major Nikon Sep 2015 #32

$5000 could certainly do that Orrex Sep 2015 #33

Probably harder than you think Major Nikon Sep 2015 #36

That $5000 deductible is often chosen by people of limited means Hortensis Sep 2015 #39

It's also chosen by healthy people who generally don't go to the doctor Major Nikon Sep 2015 #46

Yes, and then many get sick and still don't go to the doctor. NO to primary purpose. Hortensis Sep 2015 #53

The definition of the word "insurance" hasn't changed Major Nikon Sep 2015 #65

No, but the reality of it has changed. We live in the Medical Age now. Hortensis Sep 2015 #69

Bully for them. Orrex Sep 2015 #58

I'm not pretending anything Major Nikon Sep 2015 #71

Those examples are not relevant. Orrex Sep 2015 #80

Neither is pointing out some may not be able to personally benefit Major Nikon Sep 2015 #92

We're simply arguing different points Orrex Sep 2015 #102

If you had no interest in discussing it, why did you reply to post 20? Major Nikon Sep 2015 #104

Perhaps you should read reply #25, in which I answered that question Orrex Sep 2015 #108

$41/mo is laughable when you have $2 in your pocket on payday morning-if that much. hobbit709 Sep 2015 #41

Forgive me, but I've walked this road Orrex Sep 2015 #52

You are arguing against something I didn't claim Major Nikon Sep 2015 #74

A policy that one cannot use is a worthless policy Orrex Sep 2015 #75

A policy that one can potentially use is not a worthless policy Major Nikon Sep 2015 #77

I disagree Orrex Sep 2015 #81

You keep pretending the exception makes the rule Major Nikon Sep 2015 #82

No, that's not what I'm doing. Orrex Sep 2015 #89

People are buying them because rusty fender Sep 2015 #97

Nonsense Major Nikon Sep 2015 #101

What about those with chronic conditions, that 5,000 dollar deductible renews annually... Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #118

There's all sorts of "what about"s when there is no right to basic healthcare Major Nikon Sep 2015 #119

I have friends who are barely making enough to get by. hobbit709 Sep 2015 #38

Those people probably wouldn't buy the policy in the first place Major Nikon Sep 2015 #49

Not just the GOP, It wasn't an R that said single payer was off the table. hobbit709 Sep 2015 #50

Single payer was off the table because of the GOP was unified against it Major Nikon Sep 2015 #56

Then why cave before negotiations even start. hobbit709 Sep 2015 #62

Because there is no negotiating with the GOP Major Nikon Sep 2015 #66

This is nonsense tkmorris Sep 2015 #67

It would have been blocked with or without them Major Nikon Sep 2015 #72

Use the Kaiser calculator lumberjack_jeff Sep 2015 #88

Given the values for a friend's age and income here in TX it's $53/mo hobbit709 Sep 2015 #93

a) it's not the ACA's fault that Texas didn't expand medicaid. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2015 #98

"The true purpose of any form of insurance is to" make money for the insurance company. FIXED! WinkyDink Sep 2015 #45

Pretty much all private enterprises are in the business of making money Major Nikon Sep 2015 #48

Absolutely! And by denying as much care as they can get away with, to make their profit! canoeist52 Sep 2015 #64

"No plan at all" leaves you bankrupt. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2015 #87

To some people $500 is disastrous. hobbit709 Sep 2015 #91

Life threatening illness is disastrous. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2015 #94

and the ACA is not HEALTHCARE. hobbit709 Sep 2015 #95

Prior to ACA, "ruination" meant people dying because they lacked access to health care. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2015 #100

$5000 is disastrous for a lot of people. ACA has reduced medical bankruptcy-- eridani Sep 2015 #134

Well the thing is this... bernmobile2016 Sep 2015 #137

The deductibles are not like that treestar Sep 2015 #141

And prescriptions, etc. are just copay too? hobbit709 Sep 2015 #144

Yes, $10. treestar Sep 2015 #145

don't bet on it here in TX. hobbit709 Sep 2015 #146

Yes, you are right about the red states not cooperating treestar Sep 2015 #147

We need it and we are going to get it and my hat is on its way! lonestarnot Sep 2015 #6

ACA bad. Got it. leftofcool Sep 2015 #7

no, not bad, just certainly not the best. and in some ways, greately flawed.nt Javaman Sep 2015 #8

The actual number is around 30% not 57% blackspade Sep 2015 #9

Is this place infiltrated with right wing crystal dawn Sep 2015 #10

It is not a right-talking point to criticize the badly flawed ACA alarimer Sep 2015 #31

so far crystal dawn Sep 2015 #83

"Nothing but an insurance company giveaway" This is a zombie lie that just won't die. geek tragedy Sep 2015 #114

Umm...the ACA is a Republican program Hydra Sep 2015 #73

it's completely dishonest to call it a Republican program. geek tragedy Sep 2015 #112

So it wasn't the Romneycare/Gingrich/Heritage/Nixon plan? Hydra Sep 2015 #125

No. It was not the Heritage Plan. geek tragedy Sep 2015 #126

Disputing the word of the President? Hydra Sep 2015 #128

Subsidies and Medicaid expansion and regulations geek tragedy Sep 2015 #130

Medicare part E Omaha Steve Sep 2015 #12

Medicare with the supplemental stuff, still isn't very cheap. LiberalArkie Sep 2015 #14

Sometimes called "premium-free Part A Omaha Steve Sep 2015 #15

Oh, I don't pay for the Part A and my B is 104, but when you tack on the LiberalArkie Sep 2015 #28

That's almost $900 / month for a $1000 deductible and 20% copays for everything Recursion Sep 2015 #132

This is why we needed the public option. Vinca Sep 2015 #13

"57% - Could not find a plan you could afford " Keep-Left Sep 2015 #16

Got proof of that? xmas74 Sep 2015 #22

that's a right wing talking point Doctor_J Sep 2015 #35

I recognized it immediately. xmas74 Sep 2015 #99

But you just gave the reason for what he is talking about. jwirr Sep 2015 #105

It doesn't say. xmas74 Sep 2015 #109

On that I totally agree with you. I have been classified as jwirr Sep 2015 #116

That doesn't matter. xmas74 Sep 2015 #117

Im sure there are a lot that can not afford it Keep-Left Sep 2015 #139

If you live in an non expansion state xmas74 Sep 2015 #142

I bet those fuckers have refrigerators too tkmorris Sep 2015 #70

This message was self-deleted by its author Autumn Sep 2015 #85

Your subject line doesn't match what you posted. striegl Sep 2015 #18

Math is your friend. 57% of 52% is 29.64%, not 57%. n/t Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #21

What happens when, all at once a very few, sign up for a Plan for the coming year? DhhD Sep 2015 #24

Unusual number of brand-new DU members in this thread. Orrex Sep 2015 #26

I'm hearing this from a few friends, and they Ilsa Sep 2015 #27

Medicare for all, including dental, optical, hearing aids and mental health services. Scuba Sep 2015 #29

Quibble over the exact % and ignore the point bread_and_roses Sep 2015 #30

The number is off by a half. That's not a quibble. 3/4 of visitors who fail to enroll pnwmom Sep 2015 #42

Missing the point entirely (n/t) bread_and_roses Sep 2015 #90

^^This.^^ historylovr Sep 2015 #106

This message was self-deleted by its author lumberjack_jeff Sep 2015 #113

+1 leftstreet Sep 2015 #121

I want to see their tax returns!!!$@!@11!1 Doctor_J Sep 2015 #34

No, the real number is about a FOURTH. The 57% is based on the 52% who did NOT enroll. pnwmom Sep 2015 #40

Even 26% is way too high of a number, no matter how much one wants to quibble. hobbit709 Sep 2015 #47

And that 1/4 number is pretty close to the percentage of folks living in states that did not expand stevenleser Sep 2015 #51

Bottom line. Insurance is NOT healthcare. hobbit709 Sep 2015 #55

Bottom line, slogans are not policies or policy suggestions. nt stevenleser Sep 2015 #57

Exactly right! City Lights Sep 2015 #59

excellent point pnwmom Sep 2015 #110

When you're off by half, it's not a quibble. pnwmom Sep 2015 #54

Better than one in five is NOT acceptable-period. hobbit709 Sep 2015 #61

Except you haven't presented any real evidence that 1 in 5 can't mythology Sep 2015 #76

It's not the fault of Obamacare that people in states without expanded Medicaid pnwmom Sep 2015 #111

I just received notification from BCBS that the plan I purchased in March of 2014 City Lights Sep 2015 #43

What % of ACA attack OPs get the math right?? JoePhilly Sep 2015 #60

Learn math. Thanks. tabasco Sep 2015 #63

But it's 100% of 21% Orrex Sep 2015 #138

i went on the site a number of times and did not enroll dembotoz Sep 2015 #68

Isn't this OP misleading? brush Sep 2015 #79

Couple things ProgressiveCheese Sep 2015 #84

Health care is 17% of GDP. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2015 #86

Like a lot of the complaints about COBRA. tammywammy Sep 2015 #96

That's on this next W2, though, isn't it? (nt) Recursion Sep 2015 #133

Obamacare helped some, but not nearly enough. And private insurers will render Obamacare Zorra Sep 2015 #107

Due to ACA, health care inflation (0.55%) is slower than it has been in 50 years. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2015 #115

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Sep 2015 #120

Anyone else recently get slammed with a several hundred % premium increase under ACA? GoneFishin Sep 2015 #122

Health Care Should Not Be For Profit. colsohlibgal Sep 2015 #124

Every exchange has not-for-profit insurance providers available (nt) Recursion Sep 2015 #131

something about a ablamj Sep 2015 #127

That's 57% of 52%, or about 28% jfern Sep 2015 #129

The one thing I sure as hell don't want to hear from any of you.... bernmobile2016 Sep 2015 #135

Affordability? LOL! Try this example: bernmobile2016 Sep 2015 #136

IN their seventies and smoke? xmas74 Sep 2015 #143

Yeah smoking aint good bernmobile2016 Sep 2015 #148

Bullshit treestar Sep 2015 #140