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PeaceNikki

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180. I don't expect the RCC to welcome LGBT or even be super supportive of women ANY time

Tue Sep 29, 2015, 10:04 AM

Sep 2015

What I expect is that they stop imposing their dogma in a secular society. I expect that they stop using their money to oppress women and LGBT. I expect that if they are going to claim to be leaders in helping with poverty and climate change that they be honest about the direct correlation between population control/reproduction and it. I expect that they stop with the insane anti-vaxx conspiracy theory bullshit in Kenya. I expect that sexual abuse by priest be handled in a CRIMINAL manner. I expect that if they are going to run hospitals that they do it without dogma and offer full science-based services to everyone.

I don't give a shit if they ever perform gay marriage or ever ordain women or married men. That's all their own internal shit to deal with.

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The Pope Just Handed Kim Davis A Huge Win [View all] PeaceNikki Sep 2015 OP

Gods. I'm tired of seeing these same few comments reappear with replies. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #1

Yeah, it was cool of him to say that she should step down from her position PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #5

LARGE portions of the U.S. Workforce are built on the concept of "right to work." Miles Archer Sep 2015 #151

Where does Francis say anything even hinting at your extrapolated theory? He did not. Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #8

agree wordpix Sep 2015 #34

So, in this wonderful world you envision... trotsky Sep 2015 #66

This message was self-deleted by its author Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #96

Who would fire them? trotsky Sep 2015 #97

This message was self-deleted by its author Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #99

You can't fire an elected official. AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #109

You paint a picture of a wonderful utopia. trotsky Sep 2015 #112

She did promise to execute her duties on behalf of the state. That's why her stupid ass ended up in AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #108

MSNBC reporterd that he was specifically asked about government officials tishaLA Sep 2015 #91

You are right of course as is the pope Egnever Sep 2015 #110

She wasn't jailed for standing up for that belief. She was jailed for defying a lawful court order AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #116

What does that have to do with what I said? Egnever Sep 2015 #118

It would be a good rockfordfile Sep 2015 #122

. Egnever Sep 2015 #139

You said Erich was right. He is not right. AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #123

He didn't say any of the nonsense you posted Egnever Sep 2015 #138

There are clerk positions that cannot be sidestepped. AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #148

"conscientious objectors" is a completely false framing. Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #150

But he's dreamy!!... SidDithers Sep 2015 #2

You've said that how many dozens of times now? pnwmom Sep 2015 #104

I call him Pope Frankie McDreamy REP Sep 2015 #154

But Sid has no Renault and hardly ever wears the robes anymore. Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #179

As long as they are willing to suffer the fate Kelvin Mace Sep 2015 #3

So, there is no point to having laws at all. I see. djean111 Sep 2015 #4

And how many more clerks will feel empowered by his words to also conscientiously object? PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #9

How many more people will turn away from climate denial because of his words KittyWampus Sep 2015 #20

Have you met any yet? n/t trotsky Sep 2015 #44

Fighting Climate change without population control is nonsense LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #53

^^^^THIS^^^^ haikugal Sep 2015 #90

+1 Family Planning is a huge component. Think of it as conservation, if you must. AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #114

And, what will they object to? Should I just set my calendar back to 1963 and save myself some AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #113

You give atheists a bad name. Darb Sep 2015 #38

To be clear, I don't care in the slightest if someone hates me for my atheism. djean111 Sep 2015 #41

Why is it that atheists are always scolded and told to watch their words, Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #42

Bang on,. That is a fine observation. Atheists and agnostics are just supposed snagglepuss Sep 2015 #64

That was not a scold, just a correction and an opinion. Darb Sep 2015 #73

Nor did he say she should step down, or stop impeding others from doing their jobs. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #45

So I guess you should put words in his mouth? Darb Sep 2015 #67

I'd like to shove somethin' in his mouth, alright. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #68

Nice violent inference. And toward the Pope. Darb Sep 2015 #70

Do you ever think bad things about RW Republicans? Goblinmonger Sep 2015 #72

Would you mind linking to the "RW talking points"? Darb Sep 2015 #76

Two easy ones Goblinmonger Sep 2015 #79

And? Darb Sep 2015 #92

And, what? Goblinmonger Sep 2015 #101

The pope is a bigot rockfordfile Sep 2015 #129

lol PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #74

Thanks, I was actually goofing. Darb Sep 2015 #77

Oh, you missed the part where the WonderPope is ok with hitting people? AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #115

You give atheists a bad name LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #56

I won't alert, so don't worry. I can take the heat. Darb Sep 2015 #69

How is he different? Goblinmonger Sep 2015 #75

You Bernie supporters are a tough group. Funny that. Darb Sep 2015 #81

Benedict wrote books railing against capitalism and poverty. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #83

Referring back to my posts.....yep, I was right.... never said "revolutionary". Darb Sep 2015 #86

lol, I don't hate him, I just don't LIKE when people build him up as some liberal hero. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #88

Your exact words were "way beyond any Pope before him" Goblinmonger Sep 2015 #102

Wow. Not sure why this becomes a Sanders thing. Goblinmonger Sep 2015 #93

Obama is for LGBTQ rights so I have no issue with him LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #82

You have interesting opinions. Darb Sep 2015 #89

If you are uninformed about him why are you lecturing others about him? If you have not read Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #178

No he isn't. He's in perfect alignment with John Paul II, without the gold and red velvet that Ratzi AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #117

Remember when Atheists were nice and accomodating... Act_of_Reparation Sep 2015 #59

Oh thanks for the tone trolling. Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #106

No, it shouldn't. Oath of office is on the bible to UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION, not the reverse. AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #111

I'm sorry but you rockfordfile Sep 2015 #127

Of course he couldn't say that LuvNewcastle Sep 2015 #6

She has the right to refuse to issue licenses. tanyev Sep 2015 #7

Exactly. And I think that's what the pope is saying. Demit Sep 2015 #13

she should not have the right to refuse to do her job or any part of it saturnsring Sep 2015 #48

She just doesn't have the right to ..... AlbertCat Sep 2015 #50

Except she doesn't. jeff47 Sep 2015 #84

I am in agreement with you. tanyev Sep 2015 #142

No she has no such right. Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #163

And I agree with you. tanyev Sep 2015 #169

His fan base does not care about LGBT rights Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #10

+1 leftofcool Sep 2015 #11

Even worse, they LIE about it, tossing around the "Who I am to judge?" quote saying that he PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #12

Wow. Orrex Sep 2015 #14

More bullshit, different day. Darb Sep 2015 #40

No, clearly it's all about YOU PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #47

Well the Pope calls me disordered so I am nicer to him than he is to me. Your personal attack with Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #78

The pope calls same sex marriage an "anthropological regression", from what he claims is a AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #119

BNW has zero tolerance treestar Sep 2015 #192

100% correct. trotsky Sep 2015 #46

Much of his fan base may be more tolerant than you think struggle4progress Sep 2015 #100

Yet they still give the church money, and are counted among it's 'supporters' by the church lobbyist AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #107

Exactly! PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #125

Why should it be a mystery? Are they unable to express their tolerant natures? Other people see Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #171

As a conscientious objector to a duty inherent in the job Ilsa Sep 2015 #15

She does have a right to refuse, she does not have a right to stay in job she won't do. bowens43 Sep 2015 #16

Do you know how long I would have a job if I refused to do what I was paid to do? liberal N proud Sep 2015 #17

If more of us were conscientious objectors, we'd probably have a Hortensis Sep 2015 #18

I don't think it's a massive stretch to call him bullwinkle428 Sep 2015 #19

No, it isn't a "right" to discriminate against others. Solly Mack Sep 2015 #21

He's saying that conscientious objection is a right. Brickbat Sep 2015 #22

I'm very disappointed, but not surprised at MineralMan Sep 2015 #23

By that logic, it is our right to refuse service to religious people. And people with blue eyes. Zorra Sep 2015 #24

I'm not sure I agree 100% with your police work there, Lou. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2015 #25

He's the master of the vague statement - the political Rorschach ink blot PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #26

It's perfectly fine for the situation, IMHO. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2015 #28

This man is the world's leading advocate for overturning Roe v Wade. He comments on court Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #172

If you noted in my post, I said "in this one particular situation." Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2015 #177

I don't expect the RCC to welcome LGBT or even be super supportive of women ANY time PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #180

Yes, or had she quit the job, quietly treestar Sep 2015 #187

A "Win"? What does she "win"? jberryhill Sep 2015 #27

I don't get it either tammywammy Sep 2015 #30

On the contrary, they collaborate VERY well together to oppress women and gays. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #35

Don't Think So ProfessorGAC Sep 2015 #51

It's a fact. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #55

Prop 8 LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #65

You want evidence? They are actively meeting and organizing. Time Magazine, Nov 2014 Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #71

You're Right. I Was Wrong ProfessorGAC Sep 2015 #94

Thanks for reading and acknowledging it. I've posted it many times and the Pope fans just wont Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #121

BTW: ProfessorGAC Sep 2015 #167

Yep, the RCC was the second largest funder of Prop-8, behind the LDS church. AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #133

It was stated well above, I think PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #33

Oh, when it comes to Kim Davis, all of a sudden the Pope is infallible again? DetlefK Sep 2015 #29

The main point here edhopper Sep 2015 #31

Yep gollygee Sep 2015 #32

The Catholic Church does not run this country. alarimer Sep 2015 #36

That's pretty naive, don't you think? Act_of_Reparation Sep 2015 #61

I have serious Pope fatigue. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #37

"progressives should be working better angles on issues for the middle than 'the pope says so.'" trotsky Sep 2015 #49

"progressives should be working better angles on issues for the middle than 'the pope says so.'" Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #80

Good thing he doesn't make the laws here. Marrah_G Sep 2015 #39

In shocking news, it has been confirmed that the Pope is indeed, Catholic YoungDemCA Sep 2015 #43

Except that he is a religious figurehead and his word carries no legal, binding weight here NightWatcher Sep 2015 #52

Right, NOBODY cares what the pope has to say. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #54

Oh no! You interrupted the Pope Perfect Slobberfest once again! Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #57

They have a human responsibility to face the consequences of their choices. Agnosticsherbet Sep 2015 #58

Yep, this is why I stopped talking him up a year or so ago. This kind of stuff is unacceptable. stevenleser Sep 2015 #60

But he's cool and groovy very well-liked on DU! How could he be such a jerk? mr blur Sep 2015 #62

He is the number one promoter of bigotry on the planet. NCTraveler Sep 2015 #63

Says the pedophile protector Politicalboi Sep 2015 #85

Yep. Like his economics and environmentalism, hate his "everything else". (nt) jeff47 Sep 2015 #87

I usually don't want punitive treatment of people trying to live according to their consciences struggle4progress Sep 2015 #95

Agreed. She was violating the consciences of her subordinates who wanted to comply. nt pnwmom Sep 2015 #105

Oops, there is the Catholic Church I grew up in. artislife Sep 2015 #98

YOU ignore the fact that SHE was violating the consciences of her subordinates, pnwmom Sep 2015 #103

He was asked about her and he answered, very clearly. If he misspoke, he is free to clear that up. Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #120

I didn't and don't ignore that. This discussion is about Wonderpope McDreamy being asked a question. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #128

Yes, you did ignore that. He only answered in terms of generalities, after saying he didn't know pnwmom Sep 2015 #130

No, I didn't. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #135

Then please provide the relevant link where you mentioned it. n/t pnwmom Sep 2015 #140

I didn't. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #143

In a way Pope Francis is worse than Pope Ratzinger. ananda Sep 2015 #124

The reporter should have asked a follow-up question nichomachus Sep 2015 #126

Anytime I read or hear a religious extremist rockfordfile Sep 2015 #131

This is why this Pope is just so swell... joeybee12 Sep 2015 #132

I think what is lacking in this whole argument is that the Pope just doesn't "get" CTyankee Sep 2015 #134

County clerks are being DRAFTED against their will now? CharlotteVale Sep 2015 #136

Who cares, if he says nice things Call Me Wesley Sep 2015 #137

This ^ PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #141

Hello! :) Call Me Wesley Sep 2015 #144

THANK YOU LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #146

Because he's a very cool Pope. Call Me Wesley Sep 2015 #147

If Kim David only became "Christian" when she stopped being a Baptist... brooklynite Sep 2015 #145

1. He isn't a U.S. citizen, let alone an official one; 2. C.O.'s must also accept penalties. WinkyDink Sep 2015 #149

#3. We have separation of church and state here in the U.S. Italy does not... CTyankee Sep 2015 #152

Fuck him and anyone else who thinks bigots should be dedended by claiming they're a c/o beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #153

But he's Pope Frankie McDreamy, the cool pope with hip PR! REP Sep 2015 #155

I must have missed Kim Davis being mentioned. rug Sep 2015 #156

Please, Rug, no rationality allowed here. People are parsing the Pope. bklyncowgirl Sep 2015 #157

The pope IS a homophobe. I posted an excerpt from his book upthread AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #159

Please, AC, no rationality allowed here. People are praising the Pope. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #160

Whatever...time will tell whether he's undergoing a change of heart or not. bklyncowgirl Sep 2015 #162

Men who are within a year in age to Francis include Jack Nicholson, Warren Beatty, Morgan Freeman Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #168

"Pope Francis said on Monday government officials have a "human right" to refuse to discharge a duty Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #164

We're VERMIN, not "yapping Chihuahuas" PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #174

The question cited Kim Davis specifically. Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #176

Want to backtrack on that now they confirmed he met with her? nt joeybee12 Sep 2015 #184

As soon as yo get a sorce besides Davis' lawyers rug Sep 2015 #185

Apparently you won't... joeybee12 Sep 2015 #188

Ah, it boils down to public relations and bigotry. rug Sep 2015 #196

As long as his apologists are out in force defending him at every turn like this... cleanhippie Sep 2015 #197

Yup, they'll soon be demanding photos, video joeybee12 Sep 2015 #198

One could provide live video and a certified transcript, and some shyster lawyer types cleanhippie Sep 2015 #199

Like the Vatican? Will that do? PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #189

Since they met earlier in his visit, I think that's clear. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #186

And what precisely was discussed? rug Sep 2015 #190

Probably chocolate chip cookie recipes! Or how bad the fucking Chicago Bears suck! PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #191

That's as plausible as the cabal being suggested. rug Sep 2015 #195

he is being misrepresented restorefreedom Sep 2015 #158

lol, that link has exactly the same words as the OP. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #175

The pope did not hand anybody anything. He runs a theocracy. We do not. CBGLuthier Sep 2015 #161

The RCC was part of the hobby lobby decision. Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #165

And Prop 8 and nearly every one of the HUNDREDS of anti-choice laws written and/or passed. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #173

I'm glad he visited a prison and didn't have a photo op with her. mucifer Sep 2015 #166

Latest meme going around about Kim Davis Capt. Obvious Sep 2015 #170

Maybe he meant during a war. Rex Sep 2015 #181

Yes. It's a political Rorschach ink blot. It means what you want it to mean. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #182

I am kicking this since it takes on a new context now that we know they met. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #183

That's what her lawyer said. Octafish Sep 2015 #193

And the Vatican also, too!! PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #194

So it's official, he endorsed an anti-gay bigot.... truebrit71 Sep 2015 #200

What did she win?? nt kelliekat44 Sep 2015 #201

The Pope's seal of approval for her bigotry. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #202