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150. Once you accept that courts do not dispense justice but rather interpret laws

Wed Sep 30, 2015, 12:34 PM

Sep 2015

you understand why such flawed verdicts come about. That is why defendants have such an advantage going in - the system is supposedly designed such that guilty people go free rather than innocent people go to jail. The reality is much more complex than that, especially when race is involved, but our justice system will by design let some guilty people walk free.

I disagree with your assessment of the DA. It was a high profile case where she felt obligated to go to trial due to public outrage as opposed to negotiating a plea deal on lesser charges (remember most cases are settled out of court). What was telling to me is that she did not take the case to the grand jury - I think she knew that they would not buy off on murder charges.

The DA should have charged him with manslaughter and fought for a plea deal.

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All during the Zimmerman trial, I pointed out the logical inconsistencies in his "ambush" story [View all] Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2015 OP

I gotta tell you... Dr. Strange Sep 2015 #1

Broke - can't find a job, no girl will touch him FreakinDJ Sep 2015 #7

No Girl Would Touch Him? SoCalMusicLover Sep 2015 #16

Isnt that the damn truth? I've never been able to figure it out. 7962 Sep 2015 #18

Would any nice guy jehop61 Sep 2015 #36

you'd be surprised Skittles Sep 2015 #45

Yep, there's nothing like slugging a woman to spice things up... Human101948 Sep 2015 #76

That's What My Wife Said, When She Was A Teenager ProfessorGAC Sep 2015 #86

They often lack any confidence, too. Marr Sep 2015 #91

you nail it Skittles Sep 2015 #111

No, nice guys are not nice. Most "nice guys" are guys who can't get laid and hate women MillennialDem Sep 2015 #140

Yep kcr Sep 2015 #154

You got a "Broken Picker" FreakinDJ Sep 2015 #56

Religous values? MoonchildCA Sep 2015 #88

Your not the person I replied to FreakinDJ Sep 2015 #96

you do not need religion to do the right thing Skittles Sep 2015 #112

I don't care that I'm not the person you replied to kcr Sep 2015 #155

Definitely not some one seeking Negative Attention FreakinDJ Sep 2015 #158

Exactly. Those same people, mostly gun fanciers who could see themselves in Zman's situation, said Hoyt Sep 2015 #2

The weird thing though is that I had always seen Zimmerman as a "soft" racist Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2015 #4

He's Clayton Bigsby Electric Monk Sep 2015 #9

One of Chappelle's greatest works. Love his stuff. Hoyt Sep 2015 #10

I miss Dave Chappelle. Major Hogwash Sep 2015 #70

there is an old saying..."You can never forgive Maeve Sep 2015 #12

Spot on. n/t Chemisse Sep 2015 #34

And another false statement from you. GGJohn Sep 2015 #24

Nope, folks like you who symphatized with Zman said it. I think the BS Hoyt Sep 2015 #52

You just can't resist lying about me can you? GGJohn Sep 2015 #53

He seems to crave the attention countingbluecars Sep 2015 #3

And I say the same about Michael Brown and the prick that shot him. randys1 Sep 2015 #5

You summed it up right. If someone had just had a cell video going . . . brush Sep 2015 #109

There is a "barbarians at the gate" mentality around this county. Baitball Blogger Sep 2015 #6

Great post. nt raccoon Sep 2015 #77

First - I am outraged at Trayvon's needless... Whiskeytide Sep 2015 #8

The jury, which the one who talked was clearly a racist, cared little about Zman stalking Martin, Hoyt Sep 2015 #11

I wonder if they could have gotten a conviction TexasBushwhacker Sep 2015 #13

I don't disagree with what you post... Whiskeytide Sep 2015 #40

We did actually have a case in Texas TexasBushwhacker Sep 2015 #47

I think you can... Whiskeytide Sep 2015 #49

If I ever Old Codger Sep 2015 #20

The jury was loaded with the wife of a guy who had business deals with GZ's attorney Adenoid_Hynkel Sep 2015 #58

You've got to be kidding brush Sep 2015 #110

Why is that astounding? Whiskeytide Sep 2015 #145

Trials are skewed in a big way towards the defendant for obvious reasons. hack89 Sep 2015 #146

The prosecutor did a piss poor job for sure brush Sep 2015 #149

Once you accept that courts do not dispense justice but rather interpret laws hack89 Sep 2015 #150

So you agree the DA overcharged? brush Sep 2015 #153

it was TRAYVON who was defending his life - against an ARMED BULLY Skittles Sep 2015 #124

And the state failed to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt, GGJohn Sep 2015 #125

The state proved it just fine. The Jury was always going to set the killer free. onecaliberal Sep 2015 #128

Wrong. GGJohn Sep 2015 #130

It defies logic to say Zimmerman didn't purposely onecaliberal Sep 2015 #135

That doesn't negate the fact that the state failed to prove it's case GGJohn Sep 2015 #137

Reasonable doubt, surely you jest. onecaliberal Sep 2015 #138

Again, juries don't convict on common sense, they convict on evidence, GGJohn Sep 2015 #139

Agreed that the state screwed the pooch but I say they did it purposely brush Sep 2015 #151

Good post. GGJohn Sep 2015 #162

Wow kcr Sep 2015 #156

WTF is that supposed to mean? eom. GGJohn Sep 2015 #163

Legal actions can't constitute the basis for self defense Taitertots Sep 2015 #159

bs Skittles Oct 2015 #172

Go call a lawyer if you don't believe me Taitertots Oct 2015 #174

same case but races switched and it would easily be a guilty verdict JI7 Sep 2015 #14

He is scum. He always has been. Tipperary Sep 2015 #15

Only sane man syndrome. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2015 #83

Many of us repeatedly pointed out the inconsistencies Nitram Sep 2015 #17

He was out hunting. That's my belief. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #19

one of them was where he was supposed to be, minding his own business Skittles Sep 2015 #29

Yes, I think he was. Mariana Sep 2015 #100

I agree. He sounded like he was on the witness stand already. Absolutely. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #104

He stalked and hunted a human, and now he's gloating over the trophies. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #21

Me either. SummerSnow Sep 2015 #23

Zimmerman defenders not even neutral. Just *knew* GZ was defending himself. KeepItReal Sep 2015 #26

They couldn't even accept that Trayvon might even have his own perceptions of the interaction. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #46

He didn't. Following and approaching Martin was legal Taitertots Sep 2015 #160

Some bigger unknown man follows you home and accosts you KeepItReal Sep 2015 #165

It's not illegal. Taitertots Sep 2015 #166

You would call the cops and let them sort it out. Trayvonn never got a chance. KeepItReal Sep 2015 #168

OK, I'll take your silence to mean that you know it's legal Taitertots Oct 2015 #169

It's called assault KeepItReal Oct 2015 #170

You better call a lawyer. Because you don't know what you're talking about Taitertots Oct 2015 #171

From your DU posts, you think Trayvonn Martin attacked Zimmerman KeepItReal Oct 2015 #173

Nope. but nice attempt to deflect from your obviously false statements Taitertots Oct 2015 #175

Neither will i darkangel218 Sep 2015 #51

And now that those jurors let him walk .... SummerSnow Sep 2015 #22

The jury let him walk because the prosecution so screwed up the case that GGJohn Sep 2015 #28

you had to believe his RIDICULOUS story Skittles Sep 2015 #31

That's not the point, GGJohn Sep 2015 #33

Zimmerman stalked Trayvon FOR NO REASON Skittles Sep 2015 #39

You seem to have an anger management problem. GGJohn Sep 2015 #42

They proved it to me... Punkingal Sep 2015 #101

Wrong, the dispatcher did not tell him to stay in his vehicle, GGJohn Sep 2015 #117

The jury bears some responsibility brush Sep 2015 #152

First of all, he did not tell a "story" as he did not testify. Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #37

You do know that Zim didn't tell his story at trial hack89 Sep 2015 #48

Then the prosecutors are a bunch of idiots.Botched it on purpose hu. SummerSnow Sep 2015 #50

They put forward the best witnesses they could find and gave it their best shot. Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #54

I doubt they botched it on purpose, they caved to public pressure GGJohn Sep 2015 #55

When you read through all your obsfucation, you are saying Zman wasn't guilty. If you need a link Hoyt Sep 2015 #61

You just don't know when to quit do you? GGJohn Sep 2015 #62

He was on patrol, looking for trouble, mountain grammy Sep 2015 #25

THANK YOU Skittles Sep 2015 #27

the sad truth is DonCoquixote Sep 2015 #30

we have DUers who still think what Zimmerman did was A-OK Skittles Sep 2015 #32

Really? GGJohn Sep 2015 #35

The only Zimmerman defenders were low-post count trolls, Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #41

Can't the archives reveal such a post? eom. GGJohn Sep 2015 #43

Serious question rufus dog Sep 2015 #59

Defending the prosecutors? GGJohn Sep 2015 #60

Lighten up Francis, or is it George rufus dog Sep 2015 #66

Just about every legal scholar said it was a weak case, I'm just repeating what they said. GGJohn Sep 2015 #67

Let's see if the third try works rufus dog Sep 2015 #73

Nye, we've been through this before. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2015 #90

I'll link to a thread... Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #74

It is odd how much interest you have taken in this post. Hmmmm. Nt Logical Sep 2015 #142

So it's odd when you take a great interest in a post? GGJohn Sep 2015 #143

I loathe this fucker. zappaman Sep 2015 #38

The real GZ is there to see on Twitter tblue Sep 2015 #44

is this because of his posting a picture of trayvon's body? niyad Sep 2015 #57

That is the latest event that made the news, of all his subsequent behavior after the killing ohnoyoudidnt Sep 2015 #71

Yeah, I remember those threads. Major Hogwash Sep 2015 #63

Then I'm sure you'll have no problem posting a link? eom. GGJohn Sep 2015 #64

Post a link to what? Major Hogwash Sep 2015 #68

That members of DU were defending Zimmerman. eom. GGJohn Sep 2015 #69

Naw, I don't want to embarrass you. Major Hogwash Sep 2015 #72

Embarrass me? GGJohn Sep 2015 #79

Here you go... Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #75

Finally. GGJohn Sep 2015 #80

Search is YOUR friend. Anansi1171 Sep 2015 #103

Not the way it works, GGJohn Sep 2015 #115

The jury got it wrong. Rex Sep 2015 #65

This man got away with murder, pure and simple. Vinca Sep 2015 #78

The fact that he never had to tell his story at the trial is the real issue here hack89 Sep 2015 #81

No matter how good a prosecutor is, he has that pesky 5th Amendment to contend with. Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #87

We have approximately two in this thread who use the guise of a faulty prosecution--- trumad Sep 2015 #82

That's an outright lie. GGJohn Sep 2015 #84

The OJ Simpson prosecution was horribly botched Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #85

LOL trumad Sep 2015 #89

You often talk to yourself? eom. GGJohn Sep 2015 #92

I do.. trumad Sep 2015 #97

Maybe you weren't disappointed, GGJohn Sep 2015 #118

Again...why are you chiming in on this. trumad Sep 2015 #119

Again, why are you being so obtuse? GGJohn Sep 2015 #121

Ha trumad Sep 2015 #126

Yep, GGJohn Sep 2015 #127

How about this guy who thinks that the jury "made the right decision" Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #93

From all indications, the jury verdict was untainted and free from any sort of tampering. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2015 #95

Exactly. They call Zman a "POS," then turn around and support the verdict and Hoyt Sep 2015 #98

Again---every single Zman thread that has been posted in the last several months... trumad Sep 2015 #99

Same people were giving cover to Wilson after he fled town like a murdering scumbag. Rex Sep 2015 #105

Yep. I get that shootings are justified sometimes, and as more info comes out it becomes clear. Hoyt Sep 2015 #106

Do you count Jimmy Carter as a "Zimmerman supporter"? Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #107

I admire President Carter today, but maybe he had a flashback to his days in South Georgia Hoyt Sep 2015 #108

LOL. GGJohn Sep 2015 #120

There were several gross inconsistencies to Zimmerman's story. Captain Stern Sep 2015 #94

so Skittles Sep 2015 #113

That's not what I said at all. Captain Stern Sep 2015 #122

Zimmerman had a history of being a bully and an aggressor Skittles Sep 2015 #123

Personally, I think our world would be better without Zimmerman sharing it with us. Captain Stern Sep 2015 #131

Very well said. eom. GGJohn Sep 2015 #132

I absolutely disagree Skittles Sep 2015 #133

The jury never heard his story from his lips, GGJohn Sep 2015 #134

No, the jury didn't have to buy his story. They had to find that it was practically impossible. Captain Stern Sep 2015 #136

The one investigator, Serino, had Zimmerman dead to rights in questioning GreatGazoo Sep 2015 #102

I remember spending thousands of posts explaining why Blue_Tires Sep 2015 #114

I remember. yardwork Sep 2015 #116

It's important to remember that among certain circles, Z was a hero Major Nikon Sep 2015 #129

He will not be called to account DonCoquixote Sep 2015 #141

Sending someone a letter saying you plan to alert on their DU posts is despicable Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #144

threatening over mail is DonCoquixote Sep 2015 #147

I could send any DUer a letter in the mail to say that I planned to alert on every single post Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #148

and again DonCoquixote Sep 2015 #164

Nobody can prove that. But sending that letter is still not a crime (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #167

All you need to know to understand the verdict is.... Taitertots Sep 2015 #157

Yes, indeed. The jury had to do a whole lot of cherrypicking kcr Sep 2015 #161