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Hortensis

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23. I believe Francis is a very, very good man and that humanity got really lucky with him.
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 12:43 PM
Sep 2015

I know half of humankind are women. I have never in my life said, "I'm not a feminist, but..." I have always been a feminist. That said, I can accept certain realities.

One is that it is possible for someone to not share my ideology entirely, and even do what I feel is harm following his own ideology, and still be a good person. A second is that neither people nor the world we have to deal with will ever be perfect; I must accept less than I would want of others or despise all humanity without exception.

Third, literally most of the women in this world are struggling just to keep doing from one day to the next and keep their children alive, many of them in what is or amounts to slavery. Pope Francis is working far harder than anyone on this board ever has or will to uplift and improve the wellbeing of nearly 5 billion women and children - and he's making a real difference.

He's done all he can for women who've had abortions by saying priests can grant them forgiveness. That's extremely controversial and a really big deal.

Homosexuality is not supported, but Francis instructs that homosexuals should be accepted with kindness.

As for birth control, one bishop described him as "wildly practical," illustrated by Francis's comment to reporters on a plane that Catholics shouldn't feel doctrine requires them to breed "like rabbits." He knows very well that most Catholics, including priests, support the use of birth control; and if he has not approved birth control because of its connection to the most deeply held precepts of the church on family and purpose, he notably does not speak out against it. That's a BIG thing too.

On and on as he works to accomplish as much as possible in the years we will have him.

BTW, only certain types of people, liberal or conservative, are prone to idolatry and hate of public figures they disagree with, and fortunately they're a minority of humanity. Most of us have far better vision and judgement.

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I support the Pope ryan_cats Sep 2015 #1
lol La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2015 #4
I cannot imagine why he would want a secret meeting with a bigot. pennylane100 Sep 2015 #11
He didn't have a secret meeting. He 'met' her in a line up meet and greet, shook her hand, underahedgerow Sep 2015 #55
I agree...this is getting out of hand. Liberal In Texas Sep 2015 #69
That's not true, according to this article: PassingFair Sep 2015 #73
Sorry, he said four words to her, not two. It was a meet and greet line up. Not a private underahedgerow Sep 2015 #77
Were you there? PassingFair Sep 2015 #78
I've dealt with dignitaries, heads of state, celebrities and state functions of all types for many underahedgerow Sep 2015 #84
Nope, nothing out there, not even a Kimmy & Pope selfie. underahedgerow Sep 2015 #86
The pope admits he met with her. PassingFair Sep 2015 #95
Not liking the pope is nothing new for me REP Sep 2015 #2
+++++... Tikki Sep 2015 #20
It's pretty pathetic, though, to see "progressives" falling for the RCC's PR snow job. Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #44
^^This^^ (nt) mr blur Sep 2015 #50
Buddhism managed it too Recursion Oct 2015 #105
Because of identity politics. mmonk Sep 2015 #3
Yes, it's liberals and only liberals who seized on the words of the Pope as to the environment and merrily Sep 2015 #5
where did you get that from? i never said or implied any of these things. La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2015 #6
Of course your OP does not imply any of those things. merrily Sep 2015 #8
yeah. it doesn't. nt La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2015 #14
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2015 #28
and that is relevant how? La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2015 #29
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2015 #31
Exactly right. The Pope just expresses the views of the Catholic church, The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2015 #7
agreed completely. La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2015 #15
Neither Protestantism or Judaism recognize gay marriage whathehell Sep 2015 #80
Some Protestant denominations recognize same sex marriage. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2015 #85
Some, not most. Orthodox Judaism doesn't accept same sex marriage, Conservatism Judaism whathehell Sep 2015 #92
Im glad he is speaking about the environment and economics Marrah_G Sep 2015 #9
Some of us have been against him for a long time now LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #10
Very well said. CharlotteVale Sep 2015 #99
You're a bit too tame... MellowDem Sep 2015 #12
Someone referenced identity politics above and I think that's it. el_bryanto Sep 2015 #13
The pope is the head of a tiny foreign state Orrex Sep 2015 #16
They burned one of my ancestors at the stake for having the shameless audacity to edit JCMach1 Sep 2015 #17
In an enormous and diverse organization like the Catholic Church... Skinner Sep 2015 #18
This is thoughtful. I think that abortion is a far bigger issue to the Church. yardwork Sep 2015 #33
I agree that there is no reason to expect any change in Catholic teaching on abortion. Skinner Sep 2015 #46
In an enormous and diverse organization like the Catholic Church... AlbertCat Sep 2015 #47
Beautifully put. He's the captain of an ocean liner Retrograde Sep 2015 #64
Read what you just wrote here Lordquinton Sep 2015 #97
But that assumes that the current pope is even slightly liberal. Goblinmonger Sep 2015 #89
I doubt too many have started hating him whatthehey Sep 2015 #19
My sentiments exactly Laughing Mirror Sep 2015 #32
Very well said.. haikugal Sep 2015 #34
I agree completely. Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #45
Yup. Amen and Hallelujah to this subthread. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #90
Brilliant. Thank you. trotsky Sep 2015 #75
Brilliantly said Small Accumulates Sep 2015 #82
That's true. Many have hated him for a long time and always will. rug Sep 2015 #83
"Frankie Photo-Op's sly cultural and media manipulation. . ." Codeine Sep 2015 #100
Not a Catholic here. But I think I can understand some of jwirr Sep 2015 #21
I agree with this assessment, plus I'd add that the liberals who are lauding the Pope's Nay Oct 2015 #107
i don't hate him restorefreedom Sep 2015 #22
I believe Francis is a very, very good man and that humanity got really lucky with him. Hortensis Sep 2015 #23
my thoughts upon the announcement that he was elected pope geek tragedy Sep 2015 #24
It just plain amuses me. AngryAmish Sep 2015 #25
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2015 #26
I support the Pope's economic message, as I support the criticism Baitball Blogger Sep 2015 #27
Not surprised or shocked, It's who he is... AuntPatsy Sep 2015 #30
The Pope is a smorasbord for identity politics. PufPuf23 Sep 2015 #35
Because income inequality and climate change are critical cally Sep 2015 #36
Equal rights are intrinsticly tied to economic issues. NYC Liberal Sep 2015 #40
Yes...I'm not an idiot cally Sep 2015 #76
There are some things I agree with him on deutsey Sep 2015 #37
And his "swaying the minds of millions around the world" Lordquinton Sep 2015 #62
Obviously, I don't agree with that deutsey Sep 2015 #74
So you're fine with the poison pill he brings? Lordquinton Sep 2015 #96
Yes, in your black-and-white way of seeing things deutsey Sep 2015 #98
It's not black and white, it's the straight white males Lordquinton Oct 2015 #103
The pope is a catholic gwheezie Sep 2015 #38
agreed completely. i too think he is a likeable old man, and much like other likeable old men La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2015 #41
paraphrasing Fiddler On The Roof... 0rganism Sep 2015 #39
Who knew that the Pope was Catholic? mhatrw Sep 2015 #42
i actually get the personality part, he is far more likeable than the one before him La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2015 #43
I don't either. NEWSFLASH: The Catholic Church has been mhatrw Sep 2015 #48
and that was accepted by most of the populace treestar Sep 2015 #65
Funny, don't see such huge DU support for KKK members who are pro-union, whatthehey Sep 2015 #61
I don't understand the hoopla either. It would have been more surprising had he not met with Kim. kelliekat44 Sep 2015 #49
Clue #1: Report: 594 LGBT people murdered in Americas during 15-month period Zorra Sep 2015 #51
The pope compared gender theory to Nazi propaganda ... but he seems nice. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #52
Imagine if the Pope had tea, and a little chat, with a public figure KKK member. Zorra Sep 2015 #71
The double standard and privilege here is sickening. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #72
I wouldn't count on that gollygee Sep 2015 #101
i think people were hoping this pope actually wasn't anti gay JI7 Sep 2015 #53
i guess you're right. and i think skinner made a similar point upthread. La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2015 #54
Is it a fact that the Pope met with Davis? The Wielding Truth Sep 2015 #56
Yes - it has been confirmed. nt el_bryanto Sep 2015 #59
K and R bigwillq Sep 2015 #57
I neither love him nor hate him. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #58
Because he's a significant step up from Hitlerjugend Ratzinger. KamaAina Sep 2015 #60
Yes or blind rage when someone does not agree with treestar Sep 2015 #63
Uh, the average Catholic is not American. Uganda is 44% Catholic, 13% of Uganda reports using a Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #67
Because people have been trying to use him as a litmus test for progressives, demanding that we Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #66
just Phentex Sep 2015 #91
I am not worked up over the Pope yuiyoshida Sep 2015 #68
I don't hate the guy. So what if someone brought Kim Davis in there to meet him. LynneSin Sep 2015 #70
As I said before - He's an 18th-century man in charge of a 16th-century organization Scootaloo Sep 2015 #79
The legacy of the Berrigan brothers, and Robert Drinan, I suspect. MADem Sep 2015 #81
He hates all things republican, (except religion and abortion) ileus Sep 2015 #87
I don't hate the pope. ananda Sep 2015 #88
The Pope is an ally in dome important issues. Agnosticsherbet Sep 2015 #93
Bernie Sanders recognizes him as a strong ally pnwmom Sep 2015 #94
I like the Pope. kwassa Sep 2015 #102
I really like Pope Francis, he is for humanity! akbacchus_BC Oct 2015 #104
My problem is this MFM008 Oct 2015 #106
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