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LynneSin

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Wed Sep 30, 2015, 02:27 PM Sep 2015

So what if he met Kim Davis. Pope met many people while in the US that I personally do not like [View all]

Probably some US Politician pulled some rank and managed to bring Kim Davis in there to make a political stunt. Whoop-to-do. And Pope Francis is a polite person who was probably nice to her and is an overall supporter of Conscientious objector in general, which is the statement that he made. And btw accommodations have been made to allow her to practice Conscientious objection but Kim actually violated that which is a whole other post.

But I still actually have an appreciation for Pope Francis even though I know there are many issues where we might not agree such as Choice and Civil Rights for the LGBT community (Which btw he has become much more lenient on that issue than any Pope before him). I never saw Pope Francis as the new hero of the Progressive movement nor as the new religious leader I wanted to follow. But what I did see is someone who might be able to start moving religion in general out of this Tax-Free money making machine and possibly into what it really should be which is an organization that was meant to help other people and treat others as equals.

The fact that he is out there talking about doing a better job of helping the poor, treating immigrants better and doing something about Climate Change - this guy has a HUGE platform and audience. He spoke about this message not just in front of millions of people from around the globe but also to our US Congress and the UN General Assembly too. He didn't talk about his stance on Abortion or Anti-LGBT rights, he may have opinions that differ than most of ours but he also thinks those are issues less important. In fact he made it a point to shake the hand of one person only while he walked into Congress and that was John Kerry, a man denied Communion because of his Pro-choice stance. The Pope has also demoted a high ranking priest who has repeatedly spoken out against the LGBT community. Sure these are just little things in these areas but for the Catholic Church it's baby steps in the right direction.

As for Kim Davis, who cares. The Pope has no right to dictate laws in this country just express opinions. She is welcome to be a Conscientious objector for her cause and the state of Kentucky has given her provisions to not sign her name on those marriage licenses for LGBT couples. However she has violated even those provisions by interfering with the clerks who are handling those licenses. Let's hope next election cycle finds her unemployed.

But as for the Pope don't let the meeting with Kim Davis damper the overall message he brought to the United States. Someone shoved this woman in front of him and he was polite to her. But he also stood in front of our congress and told them to stop being greed assholes giving away tax dollars to the wealthiest 1% and start taking care of the poor too. He's not a bad person and as a Christian who doesn't believe in organized religion in general I still like the guy, I think he can help make this planet a better place because he focuses on important issues that will make this world better.

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This message was self-deleted by its author BigDemVoter Sep 2015 #1
Look, he didn't ask to meet her LynneSin Sep 2015 #7
So it's that easy to get a meeting with the Pope? nt geek tragedy Sep 2015 #36
I heard that the vatican arranged for this meeting. randys1 Sep 2015 #51
It is clear from his only public statement that he doesn't know the circumstances pnwmom Sep 2015 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author BigDemVoter Sep 2015 #29
Does he even know who she is? Retrograde Sep 2015 #2
why else would he meet her ? it's not like she represents any of the places JI7 Sep 2015 #4
Because someone brought her along as a guest? LynneSin Sep 2015 #10
I think it was that stupid family group focus on the family or something that did this. hollysmom Sep 2015 #13
It would be likely that she was introduced by Tony Perkins, who just gave her an award that day Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #18
He met her, if he did, because some underling selected her as part of a group pnwmom Sep 2015 #21
he went out of his way to meet her JI7 Sep 2015 #3
So did Mike Huckabee and Ted Cruz... yuiyoshida Sep 2015 #5
Fidel Castro's no longer the president of Cuba and yet he met with him. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2015 #6
Fidel Castro is a major figure and still has influence JI7 Sep 2015 #12
He did not go out of his way to meet her. Someone brought her to him LynneSin Sep 2015 #8
Exactly. nt Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2015 #11
You don't know that... joeybee12 Sep 2015 #14
His public statement was that he didn't know the details of her situation. pnwmom Sep 2015 #23
Yeah right... joeybee12 Sep 2015 #38
who brought her to him ? JI7 Sep 2015 #17
Someone who's a lot more fluent in English than he is. pnwmom Sep 2015 #28
I am inclined to agree with you. Xyzse Sep 2015 #9
The Dalai Lama met with George Bush. Gregorian Sep 2015 #15
bush was president. JI7 Sep 2015 #16
Yes, we don't have to agree with people 100% treestar Sep 2015 #19
It's hard to change the world if we only work with those who agree 100% with us. LynneSin Sep 2015 #26
And yet the actions of Francis and the Vatican are not as you suggest at all. Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #34
It's ridiculous arguing with these people... joeybee12 Sep 2015 #43
He was asked to visit a home for LGBT youth nichomachus Sep 2015 #22
She is only claiming a 10 minute meeting at his residence. He would have needed much more time pnwmom Sep 2015 #24
Yeah, whatever. He's still a bigot. n/t nichomachus Sep 2015 #25
Oh, goody, more apologists for this anti-gay bigot. Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #31
No LGBT Catholic groups or voices were allowed at the Meeting of Families. Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #32
And guess what, in Philly the meeting on homosexuality and the church allowed ONLY ONE joeybee12 Sep 2015 #39
This is important. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #27
Thread winner! nt LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #37
He was also asked to visit the Katherine Drexel shrine in Philly LynneSin Sep 2015 #49
But he did make time for Kim Davis...what does that tell you? (nt) LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #52
He made time for John Boehner too LynneSin Sep 2015 #55
Its interesting to see the twisting of logic on display here, lots of assertions.... Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #30
Conflicted Polly Hennessey Sep 2015 #33
Hell I had about a dozen Catholic items given to me over the weekend in Philly LynneSin Sep 2015 #50
a private meeting with the pope is reserved for a very select few. geek tragedy Sep 2015 #35
Or . . . pnwmom Sep 2015 #40
the Pope is their boss, not the other way around geek tragedy Sep 2015 #41
Do you really think he personally micromanaged every minute of that week? pnwmom Sep 2015 #44
the pope is a shrewd politican--as all popes are--and has politically savvy advisers and staffers geek tragedy Sep 2015 #45
The NYTimes characterized their non-denial as a confirmation. pnwmom Sep 2015 #46
I see you're twisting yourself in pretzels to defend Pope Bigot. Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #48
the less kim davis and her attornies say about hopemountain Sep 2015 #42
Wait, I thought the Talibornagains didn't like this socialist/leftist/commie/liberal pope. tanyev Sep 2015 #47
You are behind the times.... Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #53
I personally don't give a rat's ass if pope met with the devil himself. lonestarnot Sep 2015 #54
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