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23. If I could afford it, I'd move to England or Canada

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So if gun control isn't the answer, what is the answer? [View all] leftyladyfrommo Oct 2015 OP

Gun control is the answer. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #1

Amen. K&R nt TBF Oct 2015 #145

Yes. PowerToThePeople Oct 2015 #191

I wouldn't reach for a handgun to defend my home. Aerows Oct 2015 #246

Obama gave a great speech pushing back on the public to vote for the gun control they say applegrove Oct 2015 #2

Nothing nobody would seriously discuss because there's no political gain to be had. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #3

It's time to tell the Gun Protection Society to pound sand even if it cost us votes. Doing nothing Hoyt Oct 2015 #8

If it costs us votes how do you propose to move legislation? Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #11

Don't care. Besides, you are just trying to protect your darn guns. Hoyt Oct 2015 #27

Their ability to play with their guns is FAR more important to them than others lives randys1 Oct 2015 #32

blah blah blah drunk drivers blah blah you don't care blah blah blah Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #74

Lock up young men? The few who do this seem to all be young men. SharonAnn Oct 2015 #4

Young white men from affluent backgrounds. leftyladyfrommo Oct 2015 #7

I'm going to cross-post this from the Gungeon; I think it's relevant to what you're asking. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #10

Yea. There is something going terribly wrong here. leftyladyfrommo Oct 2015 #16

People do a great disservice to their children hifiguy Oct 2015 #54

then why aren't the mass shootings occurring with this frequency where there is strong gun control? CreekDog Oct 2015 #51

I would say largely because those places with strong gun control aren't America. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #81

Succeeded? (nt) enough Oct 2015 #90

America is not a successful nation? nt branford Oct 2015 #142

You're saying countries have to study stop signs and universal healthcare CreekDog Oct 2015 #130

Well, yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #132

Individualism is killing us - TBF Oct 2015 #143

Sorry for the delay in response; I sleep odd hours. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #199

So just maybe... Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #53

About. Straw Man Oct 2015 #129

Not of the same scale, but it's not like Chlorine isn't off the table, either. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #133

But if he couldn't get a gun, he couldn't shoot people, could he? CTyankee Oct 2015 #176

You're right, he couldn't shoot people. He'd still be screwed up, but golly, he don't got a gun. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #200

"not about preventing rampages" are you kidding me? CTyankee Oct 2015 #204

We're not on opposite sides of this, CT, contrary to what you may think. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #211

More later. Gotta go do my art essay here in GD...join the discussion if you can CTyankee Oct 2015 #212

Ooh, art essay! Okay, you've got me intrigued. I'll swing past GD in a bit. n/t Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #217

Lots of lovely pictures. You won't be sorry... CTyankee Oct 2015 #219

Hey, I like you. :) OneGrassRoot Oct 2015 #182

Eh, the Gungeon's a bit of a mess. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #202

Well, we like you too, OGR. pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #224

There is definitely something else, in addition to the guns, going on here. arcane1 Oct 2015 #13

The vast vast vast majority don't... TipTok Oct 2015 #18

Daddies are bringing them up in the gun culture. Hoyt Oct 2015 #29

that sounds like "lock up their parents" more like MisterP Oct 2015 #137

MOAR GUNZ!!! longship Oct 2015 #5

you know that is exactly what the gunzers believe. Warren Stupidity Oct 2015 #14

Of course I do. longship Oct 2015 #22

I'm at the point where I wish Hayduke Bomgarte Oct 2015 #6

You make valid points brush Oct 2015 #31

64 days. Glassunion Oct 2015 #45

I saw a graph posted, I think it was on DU, with calendar months . . . brush Oct 2015 #56

I guess it would also depend on your definition of "mass shooting". Glassunion Oct 2015 #58

I'm not interested in parsing words as to what constitutes a mass killing . . . brush Oct 2015 #73

Yes I am interested. You misread me. Glassunion Oct 2015 #76

Okay, glad we're on the same page. nt brush Oct 2015 #79

Federal definition of “mass killing”—defined as “three or more” killed. LanternWaste Oct 2015 #216

Mandatory gun insurance. KamaAina Oct 2015 #9

How does insurance stop criminal acts? hack89 Oct 2015 #19

Because insurance implies registration, just like with automobiles. longship Oct 2015 #24

There are 300 million unregistered guns in America hack89 Oct 2015 #28

Whatever we do, it should be viewed a long term endeavor. Proposals don't have to be Hoyt Oct 2015 #35

Doing nothing will still result in less gun violence nt hack89 Oct 2015 #39

And your evidence for this claim is what? mythology Oct 2015 #82

20 years of constantly declining violent crime rates hack89 Oct 2015 #85

I was only arguing that mandatory insurance implies mandatory registration. longship Oct 2015 #40

Got it. Nt hack89 Oct 2015 #42

Registration and insurance would start with all new gun purchases brush Oct 2015 #43

I question how workable it is hack89 Oct 2015 #62

I don't agree. It's workable if we just have the will to rid our country of these mass killing . . . brush Oct 2015 #65

I am talking about getting 50 states to pass legislation hack89 Oct 2015 #70

All I'm getting from your post is that you are unwilling to try anything . . . brush Oct 2015 #75

No. I just reject registration as a solution. hack89 Oct 2015 #77

Okay, I don't agree but what are your ideas to stop the killings? brush Oct 2015 #87

I support most gun control proposals with only two firm exceptions hack89 Oct 2015 #89

Okay finally we have something positive to discuss brush Oct 2015 #99

Assault Weapon Ban hack89 Oct 2015 #100

What about insurance? brush Oct 2015 #102

Because it is irrelevant to gun violence and gun deaths hack89 Oct 2015 #106

If insurance is required it would reinforce the need for strong background . . . brush Oct 2015 #113

No it won't hack89 Oct 2015 #116

That's where legislation has to come in to make insurance an/or registration a . . . brush Oct 2015 #121

Ok nt hack89 Oct 2015 #122

Not to mention that the NRA would get into the insurance business and rake in millions. Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #125

why is keeping your assault weapons so important to you? randys1 Oct 2015 #154

I dislike security theater hack89 Oct 2015 #161

Why do you need guns? randys1 Oct 2015 #162

I don't need guns. hack89 Oct 2015 #165

I want cheeseburgers everyday but they are unhealthy...so as an adult I have to decide randys1 Oct 2015 #167

As long as the choice is yours then I have no problem with it hack89 Oct 2015 #171

And we finally get there. So it is about you.. randys1 Oct 2015 #172

I take my civil rights seriously hack89 Oct 2015 #175

Your insistence that we should all have assault weapons if we want them, is just amazing to me randys1 Oct 2015 #177

I own and use many things that kill many more people than semi-automatic rifles. hack89 Oct 2015 #179

many? could you list them? i can think of one randys1 Oct 2015 #180

Cars, alcohol, tobacco, a swimming pool, knives, household chemicals. hack89 Oct 2015 #181

Which of these has at it's sole purpose to kill people? well, one of two purposes randys1 Oct 2015 #186

So certain deaths are acceptable to you and others are not? hack89 Oct 2015 #188

ridiculous comment, discussion over randys1 Oct 2015 #189

Smart of you to wave the white flag hack89 Oct 2015 #190

Your PS3 HAS killed as many people as his guns. beevul Oct 2015 #221

all about you, ok jack_krass Oct 2015 #205

Alcohol exists for the sole purpose of killing people? since when? randys1 Oct 2015 #208

As expected, the issue really isn't "assault weapons" at all. It rarely is. branford Oct 2015 #170

All rifles, not just "assault weapons," account for a tiny percentage of gun crime. branford Oct 2015 #163

Insurance is very ingenuous. If it is required and you don't have it.... underpants Oct 2015 #47

Insurance would cost a pittance hack89 Oct 2015 #59

Matter of degree and yes insurance does cover criminal acts underpants Oct 2015 #95

No insurance company would expose themselves to paying out for a Sandy Hook hack89 Oct 2015 #98

Because there is too much risk? underpants Oct 2015 #108

But I am not willing to pay to cover a Sandy Hook hack89 Oct 2015 #112

Insurance sounds like a great idea but it would be just like other insurances. Waldorf Oct 2015 #93

How would that apply in a situation like this? TipTok Oct 2015 #20

The families and survivors, from the insurance company. KamaAina Oct 2015 #26

You can't be insured for a criminal act ... TipTok Oct 2015 #34

Like most insurance policies, it would be voided if the person was committing a criminal act. Waldorf Oct 2015 #94

No insurance company TeddyR Oct 2015 #114

Travel between states is a constitutionally protected right KamaAina Oct 2015 #135

The government doesn't have to provide you with a car, either. X_Digger Oct 2015 #138

Actually, some life insurance policies do cover suicide Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2015 #195

"The idea is.." Courts are used to seeing subterfuge in school prayer, maybe abortion... Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #209

That's a really interesting idea. underpants Oct 2015 #48

What other rights should we require insurance for?? ileus Oct 2015 #164

In every other country that has had gun massacre problems Warren Stupidity Oct 2015 #12

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But why do they need psych drugs to begin with? n/t leftyladyfrommo Oct 2015 #17

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How about we thrash around aimlessly avoiding Warren Stupidity Oct 2015 #72

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George Hennard Warren Stupidity Oct 2015 #120

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You've got your talking point and you're sticking to it. Warren Stupidity Oct 2015 #128

it is the answer etherealtruth Oct 2015 #21

If I could afford it, I'd move to England or Canada shenmue Oct 2015 #23

There will be a debate walkingman Oct 2015 #25

What do we do about the millions of handguns, semi-automatic and automatic weapons Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #36

Melt em down any time any of them are used in a crime. Even if they were stolen from someone else. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #57

I think guns used in crimes are not returned into circulation. Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #67

The supreme court has already ruled that handguns can't be banned, GGJohn Oct 2015 #64

Unfortunately if what I read about where the guns came jwirr Oct 2015 #30

How do you control guns when there are already 300 million of them floating around the USA? Rex Oct 2015 #33

Stop new production is better than doing nothing. A decade of doing nothing Hoyt Oct 2015 #41

I am all for that. Rex Oct 2015 #46

Not going to happen. GGJohn Oct 2015 #66

The gun laws are highly manipulated by the gun lobby underpants Oct 2015 #37

It would help a lot IMHO Proud Liberal Dem Oct 2015 #158

IMO, the expansion of venues for guns is a kind of revanchism... Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #213

It's a long hard one that isn't a clear-cut, left-right issue. It involves a holistic approach that Brickbat Oct 2015 #44

That is a good answer sarisataka Oct 2015 #60

Exactly. Brickbat Oct 2015 #101

Thank you for your sanity. pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #146

Thanks for providing those names -- looks like I've got some reading up to do. Brickbat Oct 2015 #169

You're very welcome. Here's a golden quote from James Wright....... pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #222

This is what I was looking for. LWolf Oct 2015 #160

It involves looking at institutions that seem to not have anything to do with our violent culture as Brickbat Oct 2015 #173

I could post about this every day all year. LWolf Oct 2015 #230

I support your stance as well.^^^ Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #214

"I'm ready to start having those difficult conversations." pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #225

Evolve an exoskeleton? JoePhilly Oct 2015 #49

Total confiscation. SheilaT Oct 2015 #50

So I'm guessing that you'll help with the house to house searchs? GGJohn Oct 2015 #68

Since all of the pious breast-beating SheilaT Oct 2015 #78

So how do you get around the 2A and the 4A? GGJohn Oct 2015 #80

Right. And meanwhile, aside from SheilaT Oct 2015 #83

No one disagrees with you here, it's just that you can't get around the 2A. leftofcool Oct 2015 #86

So if we can't get around the second amendment, SheilaT Oct 2015 #88

Okie dokie! leftofcool Oct 2015 #92

Hmmmm. Like the 21st amendment we could revise the 2nd amendment and add madinmaryland Oct 2015 #103

What do you think the chances are of GGJohn Oct 2015 #110

Your comments just show the sad shape this country is in. Absolutely pathetic. madinmaryland Oct 2015 #115

My comments reflect the reality of trying to repeal or amend the 2A, GGJohn Oct 2015 #119

Maybe if the GIC was not running the country, we would not talking talking about GG... madinmaryland Oct 2015 #123

GG was my handle when I was in the Army, GGJohn Oct 2015 #127

New Hampshire TeddyR Oct 2015 #118

I suppose Minnesota is included in your Etc. Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #124

I guess we need to stop calling it gun control HassleCat Oct 2015 #52

Moawr Gunz! Dont call me Shirley Oct 2015 #55

It could be an economic problem. Turbineguy Oct 2015 #61

.....There isn't one. Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #63

You and your entire family wear body armor 24/7/365 workinclasszero Oct 2015 #69

I don't know what they think it is treestar Oct 2015 #71

End Hate Radio and Fox News MainSt99 Oct 2015 #84

Posted with a complete lack of self-awareness. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #144

That would be a good start workinclasszero Oct 2015 #148

Exactly...I wonder how much gun violence is connected to misogyny... randys1 Oct 2015 #155

Quite a bit of it, I'm sure. leftyladyfrommo Oct 2015 #183

Which may be why women is the fastest rising gun-owning demographic. Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #218

So much for the 1st Amendment Lurks Often Oct 2015 #166

The answer is, yes, we must live with it. As long as the 2A exists LittleBlue Oct 2015 #91

Don't know the answer, but the cause is fear. Ron Green Oct 2015 #96

I like this answer... Lancero Oct 2015 #97

More guns, until it is happening every hour of every day Kelvin Mace Oct 2015 #104

As details about the shooter emerge, we will probably see the following... ck4829 Oct 2015 #107

I'm ready for biometrics in all guns and for ammo purchase. karadax Oct 2015 #109

What if we ponder the current anti-choice tactics? OneGrassRoot Oct 2015 #111

It does appear there is increasing violence with guns in the U.S., Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #117

Rolling Stone posted a great article tonight about the pro gun arguments they're sick of hearing Deadshot Oct 2015 #131

A complete ban is the answer mwrguy Oct 2015 #134

How would you enforce such a ban while staying within Constitutional boundaries? Ex Lurker Oct 2015 #136

No, it's not. eom. GGJohn Oct 2015 #139

Sure it is. geomon666 Oct 2015 #140

You're free to ban them from your home, GGJohn Oct 2015 #151

Not if I had my way. geomon666 Oct 2015 #196

Well then, I have nothing to worry about do I. GGJohn Oct 2015 #228

Nope geomon666 Oct 2015 #231

The odds of me being in the middle of a mass shooting are so GGJohn Oct 2015 #232

Yes, the odds are very small. geomon666 Oct 2015 #234

Not according to the FBI's UCR, GGJohn Oct 2015 #235

As far as I know the FBI doesn't track mass shootings or killings. geomon666 Oct 2015 #236

Their UCR tracks all firearms catagories, including suicides, GGJohn Oct 2015 #237

Yes, but not mass shootings or killings. geomon666 Oct 2015 #238

I won't dispute you on that, GGJohn Oct 2015 #239

Yes, I actually believe you geomon666 Oct 2015 #240

Thanks for the civil conversation, it's refreshing. GGJohn Oct 2015 #242

I always prefer a civil conversation over a shouting match. geomon666 Oct 2015 #243

Thank you. GGJohn Oct 2015 #244

Not necessarily. geomon666 Oct 2015 #247

And the more violent we become leftyladyfrommo Oct 2015 #141

Do what Australia did. It worked. Vinca Oct 2015 #147

Thats what pisses me off the most! workinclasszero Oct 2015 #149

Other countries don't have the equivalent of our 2A, GGJohn Oct 2015 #153

No one is stopping you from attempting to repeal or alter the Second Amendment. branford Oct 2015 #178

"Do we just live with the increasing violence............" pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #150

Easy, ammunition control....... bowens43 Oct 2015 #152

What's the question? No, really. Recursion Oct 2015 #156

Fuck gun control a ban on most types of guns is what is needed libtodeath Oct 2015 #157

I don't know, but I'm interested in LWolf Oct 2015 #159

As the president said, other countries have people with mental illness but they can control guns. CTyankee Oct 2015 #174

I don't think LWolf Oct 2015 #227

I think a society where mental health services are readily and cheaply available to all is a safer prayin4rain Oct 2015 #168

So you are blaming all of this on the 2A? leftyladyfrommo Oct 2015 #184

It seems gun nuts want everyone in the country armed ... LannyDeVaney Oct 2015 #185

New Direction for Limiting NRA influence Ollie Garchy Oct 2015 #187

The answer is a lengthy, multigenerational process Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2015 #192

Gun control is the answer. Iggo Oct 2015 #193

gun control is one answer restorefreedom Oct 2015 #194

An excellent question. But I don't think there is a one-size jwirr Oct 2015 #197

Address the root causes of violent behavior, not the tool used Lee-Lee Oct 2015 #198

Thanks for reminding me, Lee-Lee......... pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #223

Self-love is the answer. Dont call me Shirley Oct 2015 #201

Arm EVERYBODY! Matrosov Oct 2015 #203

IMHO, for the mass shootings Ichigo Kurosaki Oct 2015 #206

Bullet control. Rex Oct 2015 #207

As he said, if bullets cost $5,000 we wouldn't have any "innocent bystanders." CTyankee Oct 2015 #229

The NRA solution is to equip every student with a high powered gun Kablooie Oct 2015 #210

Outlaw civilian ownership of semi-automatic weapons. n/t Doc_Technical Oct 2015 #215

What's your plan to get such a law passed, Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #220

What's you plan for collecting those that give the finger to the Govt? GGJohn Oct 2015 #233

You really expect ideas from the gun nuts? liberal N proud Oct 2015 #226

The answer lies in the media jack_krass Oct 2015 #241

First we must agree on the question. What is the question? uppityperson Oct 2015 #245

Interesting questions ... Straw Man Oct 2015 #248