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longship

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102. "collect all the guns in America"? What a fucking illogical statement!?

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 09:23 PM

Oct 2015

That is called a straw man argument, a classic logical fallacy. Nobody is suggesting to "collect all guns in America". Nobody, except possibly those who advocate for MOAR GUNZ for America.

And you name yourself, logical?

Sorry. Could not resist. But I could not disagree more with your illogic.

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Unless you go door to door and collect all guns, you cannot stop a nut job from shooting people! [View all] Logical Oct 2015 OP

Australia had the solution. A proven solution. Ban the guns, pass a law, amend the constitution. Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #1

I agree with you. Do you think there is any possibility of amending the constitution? nt Logical Oct 2015 #5

I would just repeat. What man put on paper can be struck from that paper. Keep it simple, because it Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #25

I am fine with trying. I am also fine with registering all guns. And ending private sales. nt Logical Oct 2015 #28

And then banning the guns with a one year surrender window, for a tax credit. As in Australia. Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #33

I don't think you get close to 2/3 wanting to lose all their guns or the right to own one. nt Logical Oct 2015 #35

All their guns? Who said that? Some may be kept under strict regulation and under punitive Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #53

How would you get existing guns under control, and then those that can be made with 3D printing. RKP5637 Oct 2015 #98

Agreed. Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #194

That's part of the appeal to some.. TipTok Oct 2015 #215

How is it easily doable? GGJohn Oct 2015 #43

Amend the constitution. We saw how bad the 18th amendment was and repealed it madinmaryland Oct 2015 #82

Fine, convince the Congress to convene a Constitutional Convention GGJohn Oct 2015 #95

Even if that were to occur, do you think the majority would disarm? Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #195

I like your idea about banning private sales. cherokeeprogressive Oct 2015 #47

Absolutely love your position on the subject. You are incomparable. Thanks for not giving up. n/t Judi Lynn Oct 2015 #78

Australia doens't have a 2nd Amendment. eom. GGJohn Oct 2015 #6

Ever consider that the key word there is AMENDMENT? eom. truebluegreen Oct 2015 #61

Sure. GGJohn Oct 2015 #64

Zero....unless we try. truebluegreen Oct 2015 #68

Well, good luck in your endeavor. eom. GGJohn Oct 2015 #76

Thank you. truebluegreen Oct 2015 #164

One hurdle... quickesst Oct 2015 #77

One law. One land. It makes no difference the size as long as the nation respects the rule of law. Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #85

I understand... quickesst Oct 2015 #149

From the last info on the NRA they boast of a membership of around 5 million. Big, but there are Waldorf Oct 2015 #190

You are right quickesst Oct 2015 #203

Oh, c'mon dumbcat Oct 2015 #2

Two thing, madokie Oct 2015 #42

Hate radio is horrific. I've had friends made very ugly by the endless crap on hate radio. n/t RKP5637 Oct 2015 #101

The murder rate is terrible because THERE ARE TOO MANY GUNS. alarimer Oct 2015 #119

There are too many guns TeddyR Oct 2015 #126

No it's not irrelevant melman Oct 2015 #200

Like if you make laws against smoking people will still continue to smoke? flamingdem Oct 2015 #3

People still smoke! Also, Heroin is illegal to manufacturer, sell and possess. But...... Logical Oct 2015 #12

Much less, that's the point nt flamingdem Oct 2015 #17

So, since laws don't totally prevent "bad things" truebluegreen Oct 2015 #63

No, but be realistic. nt Logical Oct 2015 #66

You be realistic; I'm reaching for better. nt truebluegreen Oct 2015 #71

Social reality is something that we all make together jberryhill Oct 2015 #130

Prohibition did not work. 840high Oct 2015 #51

There are laws against murder but there is still murder. Why, then, bother with laws! Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #54

Obama said it today, we make fixes to save Americans whether it's flamingdem Oct 2015 #57

You think that Trump deporting 11 million people is hard.... virtualobserver Oct 2015 #69

Non-sequitur. Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #70

They are two similar procedures that would require house to house searches virtualobserver Oct 2015 #74

And it would be a massive violation of the 4A. GGJohn Oct 2015 #4

I agree, I also think news coverage causes more of these. nt Logical Oct 2015 #8

I agree. GGJohn Oct 2015 #11

No one claims Prevention Programs fredamae Oct 2015 #7

Stolen from "responsible" gun owners. Glassunion Oct 2015 #9

I agree, I would love jail time for gun owners who do not secure their guns. nt Logical Oct 2015 #10

Even guns in a safe can be stolen. NutmegYankee Oct 2015 #15

They are also good at breaking into unlocked cars Glassunion Oct 2015 #21

The vast majority in illegal use are bought at stores. NutmegYankee Oct 2015 #89

I agree, but at least make it a little difficult. nt Logical Oct 2015 #22

You try to make it difficult - in fact you want to. NutmegYankee Oct 2015 #87

I don't agree with stolen guns but do think accidental shootings should be jail time. nt Logical Oct 2015 #96

One small caveat, GGJohn Oct 2015 #113

I agree, your term is more accurate. I don't want to ruin someones life but..... Logical Oct 2015 #121

Can we at least do something about getting nuts off the street? Marr Oct 2015 #13

I would agree. But the problem is dumbcat Oct 2015 #55

Problem... Daemonaquila Oct 2015 #84

Europe seems to be doing it just fine. Marr Oct 2015 #166

The mentally ill are no more likely to commit violence than the non-mentally ill. X_Digger Oct 2015 #139

Really. Marr Oct 2015 #162

Yes, sane people are more often rampage shooters than the insane. X_Digger Oct 2015 #180

Maybe you can point out where I used the word "insane", while we're talking about Marr Oct 2015 #199

Silly euphemisms don't really paper over your true meaning. X_Digger Oct 2015 #214

That's not exactly true Lee-Lee Oct 2015 #211

That is impossible. Not enough manpower. Rex Oct 2015 #14

Hey even if you make everyone wear a seatbelt workinclasszero Oct 2015 #16

OK, give me your first steps. nt Logical Oct 2015 #24

Outlaw assault weapons workinclasszero Oct 2015 #34

The NRA is a bunch of right wing idiots who only wants to sell guns. But assault weapons.... Logical Oct 2015 #37

I agree 100% with this. leftofcool Oct 2015 #39

Any other special interest groups that should be banned because you disagree with them? TipTok Oct 2015 #59

Define assault weapons. GGJohn Oct 2015 #80

AR-15, AK variants workinclasszero Oct 2015 #91

What does need have to do with it? GGJohn Oct 2015 #99

tough shit. pothos Oct 2015 #167

Naw, I choose not to. GGJohn Oct 2015 #169

just shaking my head pothos Oct 2015 #173

Are you familiar with the Pink Pistols? GGJohn Oct 2015 #177

i'm also familiar pothos Oct 2015 #178

You're questioning my sig line, GGJohn Oct 2015 #181

Here's a link for you, GGJohn Scootaloo Oct 2015 #97

^^^^THIS^^^^ rbrnmw Oct 2015 #29

Excellent reply. Rex Oct 2015 #41

wonderful etherealtruth Oct 2015 #65

The "laws will be disobeyed so why make laws" is the most hilarious of the NRA propaganda! Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #72

Right. And there's always the threat workinclasszero Oct 2015 #156

That the fearful gun lovers will threaten violence is even more reason to take them away! Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #157

Right workinclasszero Oct 2015 #159

Fewer guns means fewer nut cases with guns. Cleita Oct 2015 #18

Gun ownership needs to become a privilege not a right? GGJohn Oct 2015 #30

Obama needs to sign an executive order tonight declaring a moratorium on the sales of all guns Cleita Oct 2015 #38

Pres. Obama has no such authority to do so. GGJohn Oct 2015 #45

I think there is authority out there. It will take clever lawyers to find it, but Georgie Bush sure Cleita Oct 2015 #58

No, there isn't. GGJohn Oct 2015 #67

I think they do if they have the will. Cleita Oct 2015 #100

And how is that related to you suggesting that the President can issue an EO to do what you want? GGJohn Oct 2015 #103

Those manufacturing companies WILLINGLY transferred their operations to making war mat�riel. Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #111

I don't care about the willing. I care about the precedent. It's there. Cleita Oct 2015 #117

That doesn't change the fact the the President doesn't have the authoity to do what you want. eom. GGJohn Oct 2015 #123

So basically, Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #133

Manufacturing TeddyR Oct 2015 #124

Yeah, constitutional right and all that and yet I can't exercise my lst amend. constitutional right Cleita Oct 2015 #134

I for one TeddyR Oct 2015 #142

Actually, no one on this site has the "right" to express their views, GGJohn Oct 2015 #146

Thank you. Spoken like a true American. eom Cleita Oct 2015 #150

Well, I guess there's nothing to be done, right? hatrack Oct 2015 #19

Yep we got to water the tree of freedumb workinclasszero Oct 2015 #23

I agree and I don't think the 2A says what the gun nuts think it says. leftofcool Oct 2015 #32

Sadly, we do! "We live in a batshit insane country." Just looking at some of the presidential RKP5637 Oct 2015 #105

Ikr? smh workinclasszero Oct 2015 #158

It shouldn't be easier to buy a gun than buy a pack of cigarettes. Warpy Oct 2015 #20

I am 100% ok with training and licensing guns. At least to track them. nt Logical Oct 2015 #26

I used to smoke. Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #88

I'm in favor of going door to door and confiscating all guns. The sooner the better. LonePirate Oct 2015 #27

Issues is no legal way to do it. 2nd and 4th amendment. nt Logical Oct 2015 #31

So I'm guessing that you'll help with the house to house searchs? GGJohn Oct 2015 #36

We empower a national confiscation to coincide with the antiquated 2A repeal. LonePirate Oct 2015 #44

Utopian dream. GGJohn Oct 2015 #46

Easily 30% support nowadays and increasing with each passing day. Just a matter of time. LonePirate Oct 2015 #48

Nope. GGJohn Oct 2015 #52

Yep, I think the collective consciousness of the US is realizing more and more something RKP5637 Oct 2015 #109

Utopian? sarisataka Oct 2015 #81

THAT'S THE WORD I WAS LOOKING FOR. GGJohn Oct 2015 #120

And who do you propose carry out that confiscation? Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #196

Fine then. Nothing can be done. workinclasszero Oct 2015 #50

There are very few military assault rifles in private hands in the US, GGJohn Oct 2015 #62

So you are telling me that there is no difference between workinclasszero Oct 2015 #79

No, I'm telling you that an AR-15 operates the same exact way my Marlin .22 rifle operates. GGJohn Oct 2015 #93

Unless every gun is registered - unrealistic - do 840high Oct 2015 #56

Yes, with the right combo of penalties/jail for offenders and incentives for informants LonePirate Oct 2015 #60

Its worked so well in the war on drugs! What could ever go wrong? NutmegYankee Oct 2015 #94

Couldn't be any worse than the current policy of doing nothing to stem unlimited gun profileration LonePirate Oct 2015 #106

I take it you support the war on drugs? NutmegYankee Oct 2015 #110

If someone legitimately defended themselves from a violent attack with an unregistered gun Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #152

So glad at least one other person sees this the way I do. SheilaT Oct 2015 #83

I support door to door collection. PowerToThePeople Oct 2015 #40

See post #36. eom. GGJohn Oct 2015 #49

And you are willing to go door to door and do it? oneshooter Oct 2015 #73

I'm am so with u on that! juxtaposed Oct 2015 #92

Then start locally. oneshooter Oct 2015 #104

so simple as u said, It would be if we didn't have clowns that felt one was taken their Nuts Too! juxtaposed Oct 2015 #107

Go ahead and do it. oneshooter Oct 2015 #114

so u feel u should do the same.. It just seems more civil after a few years of this shit. juxtaposed Oct 2015 #127

We seem to have a lot of Keyboard Kommandos here. GGJohn Oct 2015 #129

I will do it, if the laws are passed PowerToThePeople Oct 2015 #165

Yeahh, sure you would. GGJohn Oct 2015 #168

I never said I would have a gun. PowerToThePeople Oct 2015 #171

Ok, then how would you get people to comply? GGJohn Oct 2015 #174

Yes, or get a search warrant. PowerToThePeople Oct 2015 #175

MLK, Ghandi were advocates of self defense, GGJohn Oct 2015 #179

That is ok. PowerToThePeople Oct 2015 #188

Something that has a slim to none chance of happening, GGJohn Oct 2015 #189

All important and good changes to society PowerToThePeople Oct 2015 #191

I'm not concerned in the least that your plan would ever come to pass. GGJohn Oct 2015 #193

Okay, good for you. Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #198

So people with guns are going to search all properties to confiscate guns? Throd Oct 2015 #143

Enough to volunteer to help do it? Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #197

Wrong question, wrong solution. Daemonaquila Oct 2015 #75

Thanks for the info. Also, I think stop covering these would help! nt Logical Oct 2015 #86

This, would do a lot!!! K&R!!! "The other part of the solution I am very sure of, is restoring a RKP5637 Oct 2015 #122

I own guns.. And I'm a big fan of everyone not having any guns. juxtaposed Oct 2015 #90

"collect all the guns in America"? What a fucking illogical statement!? longship Oct 2015 #102

This message was self-deleted by its author Logical Oct 2015 #108

Ahh, did you read any posts? 2 posts in this forum said to collect all of them. LOL! nt Logical Oct 2015 #118

I have now. longship Oct 2015 #128

Firearms already are regulated. eom. GGJohn Oct 2015 #131

Apparently not enough, if at all in many places. longship Oct 2015 #135

I didn't say sufficiently regulated, I said regulated. GGJohn Oct 2015 #138

LOL, you fucking with me? nt Logical Oct 2015 #132

No, I am arguing against your ridiculous and illogical argument. longship Oct 2015 #137

LOL, you are really not paying attention. I'll be glad to play with you...... Logical Oct 2015 #140

It is called regulation, my friend. longship Oct 2015 #144

And that would of stopped the Sandy Hook shooting how? He took him moms gun. You need.... Logical Oct 2015 #147

Here. longship Oct 2015 #148

The shit you named would do nothing! Nt Logical Oct 2015 #151

Let me ask you straight out, then. longship Oct 2015 #161

Make people less violent! No idea how, but many other..... Logical Oct 2015 #163

I see. In other words, it isn't wide access to firearms here? longship Oct 2015 #172

You too, and I was not polite at times. Sorry! Nt Logical Oct 2015 #176

No worries, my friend. We disagree on this. Let us leave it there. nt longship Oct 2015 #183

Your question hit at the common denominator/root of the entire situation! "What is the issue is RKP5637 Oct 2015 #112

Not really laundry_queen Oct 2015 #153

Thank you for pointing this out, found the information from a link below mrdmk Oct 2015 #202

Yes laundry_queen Oct 2015 #208

It needs to be all but impossible to get a gun in this country. alarimer Oct 2015 #115

I'm a lifelong Democrat TeddyR Oct 2015 #136

Call all you want for a repeal of the 2A, GGJohn Oct 2015 #141

how about pothos Oct 2015 #170

I'm sick of this argument. Deadshot Oct 2015 #116

Since nothing can be done, why, precisely, did you post this mound of Useless? hatrack Oct 2015 #125

maybe we'll have a chance to see. congress won't even talk about it. spanone Oct 2015 #145

This is true. Puzzledtraveller Oct 2015 #154

Obviousl, this is just how America wants to live. Crunchy Frog Oct 2015 #155

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #160

Then let's go collect the fucking guns Generic Other Oct 2015 #182

+1 RandySF Oct 2015 #186

Then get off of the computer and do it!!! oneshooter Oct 2015 #205

OK for starters, I will add gun fetishists to my ignore list Generic Other Oct 2015 #209

Things will only get worse unless we find a solution. peace13 Oct 2015 #184

I'm up for it. RandySF Oct 2015 #185

People here don't understand the danger of a Constitutional Convention. Calista241 Oct 2015 #187

Great post. GGJohn Oct 2015 #192

Many other countries have a lot of guns???????????? DebJ Oct 2015 #201

Then let's go door to door and collect all the guns. Vinca Oct 2015 #204

Again,DO IT!! oneshooter Oct 2015 #206

Hold your shorts on, this is a nation of laws. Vinca Oct 2015 #207

Your username is false advertising dbackjon Oct 2015 #210

Seems logical to me! What is a dbackjon anyway? A new game in Vegas? snooper2 Oct 2015 #213