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Cleita

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134. Yeah, constitutional right and all that and yet I can't exercise my lst amend. constitutional right

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 10:06 PM

Oct 2015

to express my opinion quite often including right here. I actually snort on constitutional rights a lot because they seem to be selective depending on the authority I'm asking for my rights from. I have a right to be safe and that is what the constitution implies in the preamble, but I'm not because a 200+ year old paragraph allowing for militias, in a time when we didn't really have a standing army in rural and frontier communities allowed the residents to form militias for their safety. They also shot muskets and used swords. I don't think that's the rights the constitution guaranteed you. We now have a very large and expensive military. No militias are needed. I'm not saying you shouldn't have guns, but like owning anything that is lethal, like a car, airplane boat and so on, you need to go through a process to convince the authorities you are responsible and will not intentionally try to be an ass.

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Unless you go door to door and collect all guns, you cannot stop a nut job from shooting people! [View all] Logical Oct 2015 OP

Australia had the solution. A proven solution. Ban the guns, pass a law, amend the constitution. Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #1

I agree with you. Do you think there is any possibility of amending the constitution? nt Logical Oct 2015 #5

I would just repeat. What man put on paper can be struck from that paper. Keep it simple, because it Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #25

I am fine with trying. I am also fine with registering all guns. And ending private sales. nt Logical Oct 2015 #28

And then banning the guns with a one year surrender window, for a tax credit. As in Australia. Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #33

I don't think you get close to 2/3 wanting to lose all their guns or the right to own one. nt Logical Oct 2015 #35

All their guns? Who said that? Some may be kept under strict regulation and under punitive Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #53

How would you get existing guns under control, and then those that can be made with 3D printing. RKP5637 Oct 2015 #98

Agreed. Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #194

That's part of the appeal to some.. TipTok Oct 2015 #215

How is it easily doable? GGJohn Oct 2015 #43

Amend the constitution. We saw how bad the 18th amendment was and repealed it madinmaryland Oct 2015 #82

Fine, convince the Congress to convene a Constitutional Convention GGJohn Oct 2015 #95

Even if that were to occur, do you think the majority would disarm? Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #195

I like your idea about banning private sales. cherokeeprogressive Oct 2015 #47

Absolutely love your position on the subject. You are incomparable. Thanks for not giving up. n/t Judi Lynn Oct 2015 #78

Australia doens't have a 2nd Amendment. eom. GGJohn Oct 2015 #6

Ever consider that the key word there is AMENDMENT? eom. truebluegreen Oct 2015 #61

Sure. GGJohn Oct 2015 #64

Zero....unless we try. truebluegreen Oct 2015 #68

Well, good luck in your endeavor. eom. GGJohn Oct 2015 #76

Thank you. truebluegreen Oct 2015 #164

One hurdle... quickesst Oct 2015 #77

One law. One land. It makes no difference the size as long as the nation respects the rule of law. Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #85

I understand... quickesst Oct 2015 #149

From the last info on the NRA they boast of a membership of around 5 million. Big, but there are Waldorf Oct 2015 #190

You are right quickesst Oct 2015 #203

Oh, c'mon dumbcat Oct 2015 #2

Two thing, madokie Oct 2015 #42

Hate radio is horrific. I've had friends made very ugly by the endless crap on hate radio. n/t RKP5637 Oct 2015 #101

The murder rate is terrible because THERE ARE TOO MANY GUNS. alarimer Oct 2015 #119

There are too many guns TeddyR Oct 2015 #126

No it's not irrelevant melman Oct 2015 #200

Like if you make laws against smoking people will still continue to smoke? flamingdem Oct 2015 #3

People still smoke! Also, Heroin is illegal to manufacturer, sell and possess. But...... Logical Oct 2015 #12

Much less, that's the point nt flamingdem Oct 2015 #17

So, since laws don't totally prevent "bad things" truebluegreen Oct 2015 #63

No, but be realistic. nt Logical Oct 2015 #66

You be realistic; I'm reaching for better. nt truebluegreen Oct 2015 #71

Social reality is something that we all make together jberryhill Oct 2015 #130

Prohibition did not work. 840high Oct 2015 #51

There are laws against murder but there is still murder. Why, then, bother with laws! Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #54

Obama said it today, we make fixes to save Americans whether it's flamingdem Oct 2015 #57

You think that Trump deporting 11 million people is hard.... virtualobserver Oct 2015 #69

Non-sequitur. Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #70

They are two similar procedures that would require house to house searches virtualobserver Oct 2015 #74

And it would be a massive violation of the 4A. GGJohn Oct 2015 #4

I agree, I also think news coverage causes more of these. nt Logical Oct 2015 #8

I agree. GGJohn Oct 2015 #11

No one claims Prevention Programs fredamae Oct 2015 #7

Stolen from "responsible" gun owners. Glassunion Oct 2015 #9

I agree, I would love jail time for gun owners who do not secure their guns. nt Logical Oct 2015 #10

Even guns in a safe can be stolen. NutmegYankee Oct 2015 #15

They are also good at breaking into unlocked cars Glassunion Oct 2015 #21

The vast majority in illegal use are bought at stores. NutmegYankee Oct 2015 #89

I agree, but at least make it a little difficult. nt Logical Oct 2015 #22

You try to make it difficult - in fact you want to. NutmegYankee Oct 2015 #87

I don't agree with stolen guns but do think accidental shootings should be jail time. nt Logical Oct 2015 #96

One small caveat, GGJohn Oct 2015 #113

I agree, your term is more accurate. I don't want to ruin someones life but..... Logical Oct 2015 #121

Can we at least do something about getting nuts off the street? Marr Oct 2015 #13

I would agree. But the problem is dumbcat Oct 2015 #55

Problem... Daemonaquila Oct 2015 #84

Europe seems to be doing it just fine. Marr Oct 2015 #166

The mentally ill are no more likely to commit violence than the non-mentally ill. X_Digger Oct 2015 #139

Really. Marr Oct 2015 #162

Yes, sane people are more often rampage shooters than the insane. X_Digger Oct 2015 #180

Maybe you can point out where I used the word "insane", while we're talking about Marr Oct 2015 #199

Silly euphemisms don't really paper over your true meaning. X_Digger Oct 2015 #214

That's not exactly true Lee-Lee Oct 2015 #211

That is impossible. Not enough manpower. Rex Oct 2015 #14

Hey even if you make everyone wear a seatbelt workinclasszero Oct 2015 #16

OK, give me your first steps. nt Logical Oct 2015 #24

Outlaw assault weapons workinclasszero Oct 2015 #34

The NRA is a bunch of right wing idiots who only wants to sell guns. But assault weapons.... Logical Oct 2015 #37

I agree 100% with this. leftofcool Oct 2015 #39

Any other special interest groups that should be banned because you disagree with them? TipTok Oct 2015 #59

Define assault weapons. GGJohn Oct 2015 #80

AR-15, AK variants workinclasszero Oct 2015 #91

What does need have to do with it? GGJohn Oct 2015 #99

tough shit. pothos Oct 2015 #167

Naw, I choose not to. GGJohn Oct 2015 #169

just shaking my head pothos Oct 2015 #173

Are you familiar with the Pink Pistols? GGJohn Oct 2015 #177

i'm also familiar pothos Oct 2015 #178

You're questioning my sig line, GGJohn Oct 2015 #181

Here's a link for you, GGJohn Scootaloo Oct 2015 #97

^^^^THIS^^^^ rbrnmw Oct 2015 #29

Excellent reply. Rex Oct 2015 #41

wonderful etherealtruth Oct 2015 #65

The "laws will be disobeyed so why make laws" is the most hilarious of the NRA propaganda! Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #72

Right. And there's always the threat workinclasszero Oct 2015 #156

That the fearful gun lovers will threaten violence is even more reason to take them away! Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #157

Right workinclasszero Oct 2015 #159

Fewer guns means fewer nut cases with guns. Cleita Oct 2015 #18

Gun ownership needs to become a privilege not a right? GGJohn Oct 2015 #30

Obama needs to sign an executive order tonight declaring a moratorium on the sales of all guns Cleita Oct 2015 #38

Pres. Obama has no such authority to do so. GGJohn Oct 2015 #45

I think there is authority out there. It will take clever lawyers to find it, but Georgie Bush sure Cleita Oct 2015 #58

No, there isn't. GGJohn Oct 2015 #67

I think they do if they have the will. Cleita Oct 2015 #100

And how is that related to you suggesting that the President can issue an EO to do what you want? GGJohn Oct 2015 #103

Those manufacturing companies WILLINGLY transferred their operations to making war mat�riel. Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #111

I don't care about the willing. I care about the precedent. It's there. Cleita Oct 2015 #117

That doesn't change the fact the the President doesn't have the authoity to do what you want. eom. GGJohn Oct 2015 #123

So basically, Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #133

Manufacturing TeddyR Oct 2015 #124

Yeah, constitutional right and all that and yet I can't exercise my lst amend. constitutional right Cleita Oct 2015 #134

I for one TeddyR Oct 2015 #142

Actually, no one on this site has the "right" to express their views, GGJohn Oct 2015 #146

Thank you. Spoken like a true American. eom Cleita Oct 2015 #150

Well, I guess there's nothing to be done, right? hatrack Oct 2015 #19

Yep we got to water the tree of freedumb workinclasszero Oct 2015 #23

I agree and I don't think the 2A says what the gun nuts think it says. leftofcool Oct 2015 #32

Sadly, we do! "We live in a batshit insane country." Just looking at some of the presidential RKP5637 Oct 2015 #105

Ikr? smh workinclasszero Oct 2015 #158

It shouldn't be easier to buy a gun than buy a pack of cigarettes. Warpy Oct 2015 #20

I am 100% ok with training and licensing guns. At least to track them. nt Logical Oct 2015 #26

I used to smoke. Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #88

I'm in favor of going door to door and confiscating all guns. The sooner the better. LonePirate Oct 2015 #27

Issues is no legal way to do it. 2nd and 4th amendment. nt Logical Oct 2015 #31

So I'm guessing that you'll help with the house to house searchs? GGJohn Oct 2015 #36

We empower a national confiscation to coincide with the antiquated 2A repeal. LonePirate Oct 2015 #44

Utopian dream. GGJohn Oct 2015 #46

Easily 30% support nowadays and increasing with each passing day. Just a matter of time. LonePirate Oct 2015 #48

Nope. GGJohn Oct 2015 #52

Yep, I think the collective consciousness of the US is realizing more and more something RKP5637 Oct 2015 #109

Utopian? sarisataka Oct 2015 #81

THAT'S THE WORD I WAS LOOKING FOR. GGJohn Oct 2015 #120

And who do you propose carry out that confiscation? Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #196

Fine then. Nothing can be done. workinclasszero Oct 2015 #50

There are very few military assault rifles in private hands in the US, GGJohn Oct 2015 #62

So you are telling me that there is no difference between workinclasszero Oct 2015 #79

No, I'm telling you that an AR-15 operates the same exact way my Marlin .22 rifle operates. GGJohn Oct 2015 #93

Unless every gun is registered - unrealistic - do 840high Oct 2015 #56

Yes, with the right combo of penalties/jail for offenders and incentives for informants LonePirate Oct 2015 #60

Its worked so well in the war on drugs! What could ever go wrong? NutmegYankee Oct 2015 #94

Couldn't be any worse than the current policy of doing nothing to stem unlimited gun profileration LonePirate Oct 2015 #106

I take it you support the war on drugs? NutmegYankee Oct 2015 #110

If someone legitimately defended themselves from a violent attack with an unregistered gun Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #152

So glad at least one other person sees this the way I do. SheilaT Oct 2015 #83

I support door to door collection. PowerToThePeople Oct 2015 #40

See post #36. eom. GGJohn Oct 2015 #49

And you are willing to go door to door and do it? oneshooter Oct 2015 #73

I'm am so with u on that! juxtaposed Oct 2015 #92

Then start locally. oneshooter Oct 2015 #104

so simple as u said, It would be if we didn't have clowns that felt one was taken their Nuts Too! juxtaposed Oct 2015 #107

Go ahead and do it. oneshooter Oct 2015 #114

so u feel u should do the same.. It just seems more civil after a few years of this shit. juxtaposed Oct 2015 #127

We seem to have a lot of Keyboard Kommandos here. GGJohn Oct 2015 #129

I will do it, if the laws are passed PowerToThePeople Oct 2015 #165

Yeahh, sure you would. GGJohn Oct 2015 #168

I never said I would have a gun. PowerToThePeople Oct 2015 #171

Ok, then how would you get people to comply? GGJohn Oct 2015 #174

Yes, or get a search warrant. PowerToThePeople Oct 2015 #175

MLK, Ghandi were advocates of self defense, GGJohn Oct 2015 #179

That is ok. PowerToThePeople Oct 2015 #188

Something that has a slim to none chance of happening, GGJohn Oct 2015 #189

All important and good changes to society PowerToThePeople Oct 2015 #191

I'm not concerned in the least that your plan would ever come to pass. GGJohn Oct 2015 #193

Okay, good for you. Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #198

So people with guns are going to search all properties to confiscate guns? Throd Oct 2015 #143

Enough to volunteer to help do it? Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #197

Wrong question, wrong solution. Daemonaquila Oct 2015 #75

Thanks for the info. Also, I think stop covering these would help! nt Logical Oct 2015 #86

This, would do a lot!!! K&R!!! "The other part of the solution I am very sure of, is restoring a RKP5637 Oct 2015 #122

I own guns.. And I'm a big fan of everyone not having any guns. juxtaposed Oct 2015 #90

"collect all the guns in America"? What a fucking illogical statement!? longship Oct 2015 #102

This message was self-deleted by its author Logical Oct 2015 #108

Ahh, did you read any posts? 2 posts in this forum said to collect all of them. LOL! nt Logical Oct 2015 #118

I have now. longship Oct 2015 #128

Firearms already are regulated. eom. GGJohn Oct 2015 #131

Apparently not enough, if at all in many places. longship Oct 2015 #135

I didn't say sufficiently regulated, I said regulated. GGJohn Oct 2015 #138

LOL, you fucking with me? nt Logical Oct 2015 #132

No, I am arguing against your ridiculous and illogical argument. longship Oct 2015 #137

LOL, you are really not paying attention. I'll be glad to play with you...... Logical Oct 2015 #140

It is called regulation, my friend. longship Oct 2015 #144

And that would of stopped the Sandy Hook shooting how? He took him moms gun. You need.... Logical Oct 2015 #147

Here. longship Oct 2015 #148

The shit you named would do nothing! Nt Logical Oct 2015 #151

Let me ask you straight out, then. longship Oct 2015 #161

Make people less violent! No idea how, but many other..... Logical Oct 2015 #163

I see. In other words, it isn't wide access to firearms here? longship Oct 2015 #172

You too, and I was not polite at times. Sorry! Nt Logical Oct 2015 #176

No worries, my friend. We disagree on this. Let us leave it there. nt longship Oct 2015 #183

Your question hit at the common denominator/root of the entire situation! "What is the issue is RKP5637 Oct 2015 #112

Not really laundry_queen Oct 2015 #153

Thank you for pointing this out, found the information from a link below mrdmk Oct 2015 #202

Yes laundry_queen Oct 2015 #208

It needs to be all but impossible to get a gun in this country. alarimer Oct 2015 #115

I'm a lifelong Democrat TeddyR Oct 2015 #136

Call all you want for a repeal of the 2A, GGJohn Oct 2015 #141

how about pothos Oct 2015 #170

I'm sick of this argument. Deadshot Oct 2015 #116

Since nothing can be done, why, precisely, did you post this mound of Useless? hatrack Oct 2015 #125

maybe we'll have a chance to see. congress won't even talk about it. spanone Oct 2015 #145

This is true. Puzzledtraveller Oct 2015 #154

Obviousl, this is just how America wants to live. Crunchy Frog Oct 2015 #155

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #160

Then let's go collect the fucking guns Generic Other Oct 2015 #182

+1 RandySF Oct 2015 #186

Then get off of the computer and do it!!! oneshooter Oct 2015 #205

OK for starters, I will add gun fetishists to my ignore list Generic Other Oct 2015 #209

Things will only get worse unless we find a solution. peace13 Oct 2015 #184

I'm up for it. RandySF Oct 2015 #185

People here don't understand the danger of a Constitutional Convention. Calista241 Oct 2015 #187

Great post. GGJohn Oct 2015 #192

Many other countries have a lot of guns???????????? DebJ Oct 2015 #201

Then let's go door to door and collect all the guns. Vinca Oct 2015 #204

Again,DO IT!! oneshooter Oct 2015 #206

Hold your shorts on, this is a nation of laws. Vinca Oct 2015 #207

Your username is false advertising dbackjon Oct 2015 #210

Seems logical to me! What is a dbackjon anyway? A new game in Vegas? snooper2 Oct 2015 #213