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Fumesucker

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66. At this point I'm not sure there is a cure that won't be worse than the disease in the long run

Fri Oct 2, 2015, 06:51 PM

Oct 2015

You aren't going to get the guns off the street without a draconian policing regime that will make the War on Drugs and the War on Terra look like mere warming up exercises.

That draconian regime will inevitably be employed against minorities and the poor, making their lives even more hellish than they already are.

The disease is American culture overall, we have a culture where a great many people feel completely alienated from it, the shootings are just a symptom. The whole idea of "losers" implies that there also "winners" and not everyone is a good loser. Our entire culture is based on competition rather than cooperation, of course there are going to be losers when all of life is nothing but a giant competition for money, power, status and sex.

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Nothing is off the table--No idea is too stupid to consider [View all] Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 OP

Ban the publication of their names and manifestos? Recursion Oct 2015 #1

Excellent. I watched CNN Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #13

Americans are addicted to violence and the Schadenfreude .. ananda Oct 2015 #21

or do an intervention nt LiberalElite Oct 2015 #173

Change the laws that men wrote 300 years ago by writing new laws? Easy. Just need the will, and if Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #2

Adopt sensible gun restrictions like Brazil's? (nt) Recursion Oct 2015 #4

Canada. Australia. U.K. Pretty much anywhere in the West that the NRA does not exist. Obviously. Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #5

Our population isn't like Canada's or Australia's. It's like Brazil's. (nt) Recursion Oct 2015 #6

Is the population of Brazil not also Homo sapiens? I will have to research that. Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #7

The population of Brazil is ethnically diverse and economically unequal Recursion Oct 2015 #8

Um, "fucking yellowing parchment? Ms. Yertle Oct 2015 #30

No one's wanting to change the First Amendment treestar Oct 2015 #31

The words used to describe Ms. Yertle Oct 2015 #36

Not necessarily true treestar Oct 2015 #39

You know better. branford Oct 2015 #38

Why would everything end up repealed because the 2nd did? treestar Oct 2015 #42

Here's why it won't happen: Ms. Yertle Oct 2015 #45

Hunting licenses are down across the board and I think *we* could get more than 4.5 million Hestia Oct 2015 #102

What does hunting have to do with the 2A? eom. GGJohn Oct 2015 #103

You're the one who suggested that no one would want to change the First Amendment branford Oct 2015 #47

Who really thinks the 2nd Amendment would be "done away with".... virginia mountainman Oct 2015 #110

Heck, how would blue, yet rural, states like Vermont, Oregon, Washington, New Hampshire, etc. vote? branford Oct 2015 #112

Yes, yes it is. ryan_cats Oct 2015 #72

Cross the Rubicon? You are about 95 years too late... Thor_MN Oct 2015 #84

When have we ever amended the Bill of Rights? branford Oct 2015 #89

"are not comparable to anything else in the Constitution." Thor_MN Oct 2015 #94

You are certainly entitled to feel that way. branford Oct 2015 #96

No, we all are entitled to feel that way, considering that is our Constitution. Thor_MN Oct 2015 #101

yay extraconstitutional dictates Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #48

Mentioning logic ryan_cats Oct 2015 #70

Our gun laws are obsolete. They were meant for a different era, not for the 21st century. n/t RKP5637 Oct 2015 #3

Any specifics? Obama said the same thing yesterday and the criticism Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #10

If that's the case, branford Oct 2015 #41

+1000 smirkymonkey Oct 2015 #123

congress won't even allow the conversation..... spanone Oct 2015 #9

Papraphrasing your idea: vote the bums out of office who are owned by the NRA Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #11

everytime i vote...that's what I do. spanone Oct 2015 #12

But that's not going to happen in places like Roseburg CanonRay Oct 2015 #20

Neither will the murder apologists SwankyXomb Oct 2015 #19

Murder apologists that infest DU? GGJohn Oct 2015 #22

Name one. Enthusiast Oct 2015 #53

We're not allowed to name other DU members in our posts. valerief Oct 2015 #128

Name a few Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #131

Stricter gun control and Universal Health Care. HughBeaumont Oct 2015 #14

What specifically would we need for stricter gun control? Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #15

I'd start with SheilaT Oct 2015 #16

Newtown parents have been doing that - showing up at the opening of Congress with the Hestia Oct 2015 #104

I did not know that. SheilaT Oct 2015 #106

going to need a lot of paper DustyJoe Oct 2015 #201

How about requiring a resume with references, including the doctor? Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #17

So, what other rights require references, including a Dr.'s ok? eom. GGJohn Oct 2015 #24

None. treestar Oct 2015 #32

How about we stick with basic due process. branford Oct 2015 #43

Nothing bad ever happened from a poorly cast vote Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #49

Iraq Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #132

Yeah but you see the thing is it's just that you know and stuff. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #140

Really? GGJohn Oct 2015 #73

Yes they are and yes they do involve "deadly weapons" and Due Process could be satisfied Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #62

Hint hint, here's the difference, driver licenses are a privilege, GGJohn Oct 2015 #80

You are wrong. Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #82

Wrong, every DMV handbook states that a driver license is a privilege. GGJohn Oct 2015 #83

The law determined that a license is a property right. Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #85

You may very well be right on driver license, I haven't read a driver handbook in over 40 years, GGJohn Oct 2015 #86

wrong spot... Thor_MN Oct 2015 #95

Huh? eom. GGJohn Oct 2015 #98

I hit reply in the wrong spot. Thor_MN Oct 2015 #99

Oh, ok. GGJohn Oct 2015 #100

Disband the NRA NV Whino Oct 2015 #18

How do you disband the NRA? GGJohn Oct 2015 #23

I can think of many ways to bring it down NV Whino Oct 2015 #25

How about you stop trying to eradicate the Constitution, branford Oct 2015 #46

Right. People here need to look at the Second Amendment's home page. They're like ALEC in their ancianita Oct 2015 #113

I have one solution to bring the top NRA brass down. DinahMoeHum Oct 2015 #51

The NRA has been audited numerous times and each and every time, GGJohn Oct 2015 #76

That's not actually a certainty. branford Oct 2015 #105

The government should have the authority hughee99 Oct 2015 #202

Registration, insurance, background checks and psyche screenings brush Oct 2015 #26

There have been no mass killings since Port Arthur? Marengo Oct 2015 #130

1. Win the Presidency in 2016 tishaLA Oct 2015 #27

I am more and more leaning toward banning guns. upaloopa Oct 2015 #28

^^^This^^^ -none Oct 2015 #29

Yes, states might be the level to do it treestar Oct 2015 #33

Actually 44 states sarisataka Oct 2015 #35

oh joy treestar Oct 2015 #37

I believe most states sarisataka Oct 2015 #40

I find it interesting that Minnesota does not have a constitutional RKBA. Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #55

Well said. One pathway is new judges on SCOTUS, and a new gun legal case to bring before them. Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #34

Make gun owners social outcasts? hack89 Oct 2015 #120

It worked with cigarettes upaloopa Oct 2015 #165

You're certainly welcome to try, and nothing is stopping you. branford Oct 2015 #171

Not really hack89 Oct 2015 #177

I support a ban of handguns and all rifles except for bolt action hunting rifles tabasco Oct 2015 #44

Semi-automatic firearms are legal for hunting in most states. Marengo Oct 2015 #127

Study Australia and U.K. moondust Oct 2015 #50

1. Many thousands of shooters already make their own bullets. Limiting ammunition would Enthusiast Oct 2015 #52

We don't avoid making laws because people will do the action anyway. Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #64

I would support a buyback effort TeddyR Oct 2015 #160

Talking with my local beat cop last night, he reiterated what he's been saying since I've known him LanternWaste Oct 2015 #54

Dam that sounds like a smart idea! Rex Oct 2015 #57

That'll take years to work with the already stored ammo out there. Besides, thousands know how ancianita Oct 2015 #114

I'm sure that will work for the week it takes for criminals to develop a work around Taitertots Oct 2015 #121

But, you don't stop making laws just because people will break them. Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #133

You don't pass laws that do nothing either Taitertots Oct 2015 #145

Ban all but hunting rifles. Rex Oct 2015 #56

You do realize that the AR platform makes a great hunting rifle? GGJohn Oct 2015 #90

What's the issue with bow hunting? Marengo Oct 2015 #125

What about hunting shotguns? ileus Oct 2015 #185

Here's one too stupid to consider Fumesucker Oct 2015 #58

Everything is on the table. What ideas do you have? Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #65

At this point I'm not sure there is a cure that won't be worse than the disease in the long run Fumesucker Oct 2015 #66

I think to an extent you are correct, but I do not think it is futile. Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #67

The Drug War has beeng going on for nearly a century now Fumesucker Oct 2015 #68

Despite the risk of an irony-overload ... Straw Man Oct 2015 #115

Just looking at a thread where it's "proper procedure" for police to beat an elderly stroke victim Fumesucker Oct 2015 #118

I don't think banning guns will "fix" society. But...it is a start. Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #134

Gun Tax libodem Oct 2015 #59

Read the NFA. There already is a significant tax for automatic weapons. branford Oct 2015 #61

Bullshit. GGJohn Oct 2015 #91

Because all insurance works that way. SheilaT Oct 2015 #108

+1 Scootaloo Oct 2015 #109

Bingo. SheilaT Oct 2015 #111

Require every friggin gun in the USA to have a GPS tag; develop for all schools and public kelliekat44 Oct 2015 #60

Five seconds in a microwave oven would put paid to all those friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #87

I like the automatic clip idea... ileus Oct 2015 #187

Minimum age to own guns treestar Oct 2015 #63

Number 1. ryan_cats Oct 2015 #69

We need more, obviously. Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #136

take the 2nd literally restorefreedom Oct 2015 #71

That argument was put to bed with the Heller v DC ruling GGJohn Oct 2015 #92

well that was not cool imo restorefreedom Oct 2015 #93

"wonder how the founders would see this now" Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #124

there were other issues in play restorefreedom Oct 2015 #129

"would you rather that we all had tanks and grenades at our disposal?" Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #137

okey dokey. nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #139

Take a look at the Democratic Party platform while you are at it hack89 Oct 2015 #178

the dems are just as afraid of the nra restorefreedom Oct 2015 #181

President Obama, who taught constitutional law, says it protects an individual right. hack89 Oct 2015 #188

tomato, tomaaato restorefreedom Oct 2015 #195

All you need to do is get the American public behind you hack89 Oct 2015 #197

i know its not gonna happen restorefreedom Oct 2015 #199

What would the founders think about abortion, gay marriage or woman voting? hack89 Oct 2015 #179

they do change restorefreedom Oct 2015 #182

If the notion of armed citizens is outdated hack89 Oct 2015 #189

i would not be opposed to it. nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #196

It is still very unlikely. Nt hack89 Oct 2015 #198

i know and it saddens me. nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #200

I would love to see the Founders experience the internet. nt branford Oct 2015 #191

Who are the "lunatics" in your statement? Marengo Oct 2015 #135

Want to change people's minds about guns? Start publishing photos from these massacres. frizzled Oct 2015 #74

If showing fetuses on operating tables is OK why not the horrifying deaths of children by guns? Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #75

actually, that is not a good way restorefreedom Oct 2015 #88

The problem with changing gun laws Chemisse Oct 2015 #77

Criminalize gun violence Red Mountain Oct 2015 #78

The problem is that, thanks to publicity, gun massacres are on the minds of young people. Chemisse Oct 2015 #79

It s true. The media should not give any publicity to the shooter. Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #81

It's a wonder hw some people get to work in the morning, or to the grocery store, Thor_MN Oct 2015 #97

Few things... Scootaloo Oct 2015 #107

OK...Nurture culturally relevant coming of age rituals like Shamanic hunter/gatherer societies have. Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #116

Let's step back from the mass murders for a second forthemiddle Oct 2015 #117

National Concealed Carry Reciprocity and Universal Campus Carry...n/t Kang Colby Oct 2015 #119

How stupid can we be to stop something that happens infrequently Taitertots Oct 2015 #122

Naaa...we can do lots of things without resorting to magic wands. Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #138

Hack all the GOP Congress members' votes to our advantage. valerief Oct 2015 #126

Engage in dialogue with gun nuts. GreenEyedLefty Oct 2015 #141

Talking to gun advocates is an excellent idea. Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #143

Unfortunately the phrase "gun control" causes these people to not hear you anymore. GreenEyedLefty Oct 2015 #144

True. Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #146

most have tried to nename it Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #148

But, what would go somewhere in your eyes? Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #149

Well I have stated it many times but here are a few Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #150

I have been thinking of something similar Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #152

annual backgound checks Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #155

It always comes back to gun control. beevul Oct 2015 #159

It's called compromise. branford Oct 2015 #156

I've been on the fence mostly when it comes to universal background checks. Waldorf Oct 2015 #163

As a beginning, open-up the NICS system to private sellers. branford Oct 2015 #167

Opening up the NICS to private sellers has always sounded like an excellent idea. Waldorf Oct 2015 #170

I believe it is indeed popular. branford Oct 2015 #172

Either repeal/modify the 2nd amendment or get different Supreme court Judges n2doc Oct 2015 #142

of course then it would just Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #151

There's zero chance of modifying or amending the Second TeddyR Oct 2015 #162

Only so long as people don't make repeal/modification their #1 priority n2doc Oct 2015 #166

Forget the gun lobby. The people will not permit it. branford Oct 2015 #174

When people have had enough of the madness things will change n2doc Oct 2015 #176

Any other ideas? Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #147

Gun buybacks are pretty popular NobodyHere Oct 2015 #153

Mandatory firearm insurance is a non-starter. branford Oct 2015 #158

We need to do what we can to humanize society libodem Oct 2015 #154

Someone on DU the other day had what I thought was a good idea. stage left Oct 2015 #157

How about we treat young men who want guns like we do women who want an abortion? riversedge Oct 2015 #161

that's actually a pretty well-done meme, there. Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #192

Get the guns. Iggo Oct 2015 #164

Have the 2nd Amendment grammar checked... lame54 Oct 2015 #168

Ban and confiscate all repeating arms with more then 6/7 round capacity. jmg257 Oct 2015 #169

Such a proposal is prima facie unconstitutional under Heller and McDonald. nt branford Oct 2015 #180

Understood. But long ago the people decided the declarative Militia purpose of the 2nd was jmg257 Oct 2015 #184

That would be one heck of a "reinterpretation," branford Oct 2015 #190

Hey - I just answered the question as I see what would be necessary... jmg257 Oct 2015 #193

Make it illegal to own more than 2 guns. ErikJ Oct 2015 #175

3 or more guns is an "arsenal?" branford Oct 2015 #183

Doesn't matter - one is enough - with enough ammo & reloads. nt jmg257 Oct 2015 #186

Different firearms have different purposes, just like any tool. branford Oct 2015 #194

A comprehensive federal law that requires... ancianita Oct 2015 #203