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In reply to the discussion: A red flag most of us missed in the Kim Davis fantasy. [View all]Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Vatican Strengthens Ties with Evangelicals and Mormons Against Gay Marriage
"...This week the Vatican hosted a three-day, international, interreligious colloquium called Humanum, The Complementarity of Man and Woman: An International Colloquium. Its goal was to propose anew the beauty of the relationship between the man and the woman. Speakers came from nearly two dozen countries and a variety of religious traditions, including Muslims, Jews, Sikhs and Taoists.
The presence of American evangelicals and the LDS Church was particularly notable. Rick Warren, pastor of Saddleback Church, and Russell Moore, president of the Southern Baptist Conventions Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, each gave speeches, and representatives from the Heritage Foundation and the Family Research Council in Washington attended. President Henry Eyring of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints first presidency spoke and Elder Tom Perry of the LDSs Quorum of the Twelve also joined. In the United States, this trio of faiths has worked together to stand against the governments Affordable Care Acts contraception mandate, but it was the first time they were coming together at the Vatican to talk about marriage.
The colloquium rallied around the theological concept of complementarianism, the belief that men and women have different roles in a marriage and religious leadershiphusbands are spiritual leaders, and wives submit to them in love. To be complementary is to complete or fill the lack in the other thing. It opposes egalitarianism, the theological belief that men and women are equal in all respects in marriage and in religious leadership positions. Traditional Catholic, evangelical, and LDS belief interprets the Bible to support a complementarian relational structure. That may explain why mainline Protestant traditions that interpret the Bible to an egalitarian endPresbyterian, Episcopal, United Church of Christwere not featured at the event."
http://time.com/3597245/vatican-evangelicals-mormons-gay-marriage/
So very obviously you don't have to talk about Davis to have the conversation that needs to be had, all you need is good will and basic honesty about well reported and established facts. Forget Kim, let's talk about NOM and the Heritage Foundation, or Tony Perkins.
Or we could talk about AIDS, condoms and Africa.
Over 100,000 people a month die of AIDS in Africa. Each month. Francis comes to our Congress to archly preach about threats to the family. The number of orphans left behind by those who die of AIDS in Africa is high in the millions. Yet this is not the threat to families which weighs on the minds of Francis, who tells Africans not to use condoms.
I think to claim to care about families while imposing practices that create untold numbers of orphans is fairly ghoulish.