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55. Did you not learn about Prohibition in school?

Sun Oct 4, 2015, 03:40 AM

Oct 2015

All that did is kill people with bad hooch, and let organized crime grow into a nation-wide problem.

And, how has that "war on drugs" worked out? If the aim was to put lots of people in prison, then I guess it's going gangbusters. (<----see what I did there?) Costs lots of tax money, and now the drug cartels are a big issue, but hey, let's be happy, because a pot smoker is taken down.

Abortion used to be illegal, but people still got them, because there's always someone willing to provide them. Back alleys and coat hangers come to mind? Of course, rich women could just take a month or so in Europe.

Lots of people die for lots of reasons. Always have. I think we have more of a problem with society as a whole than with guns. Guns are just the medium used when something goes wrong with how people think. Get rid of guns, and people will still buy them. There's always a way, when someone wants something. Or they'll use a knife, or a machete, or make a bomb, or use poison gas.

Maybe we could do something about the untreated mental illness that plagues so many people. If they could afford to get real, effective treatment, that might go a long way towards stopping some of these killings. But the thing is, people are free to not go to the doctor. Maybe we should make that illegal?

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The US needs to ban alcohol sales [View all] Travis_0004 Oct 2015 OP

if you're trying to compare this to guns Skittles Oct 2015 #1

Why is it a fail? GGJohn Oct 2015 #5

Post removed Post removed Oct 2015 #23

LOL. GGJohn Oct 2015 #28

Because it's nothing more than gun nut dipshittery Major Nikon Oct 2015 #52

Please address the actual issue. Adrahil Oct 2015 #80

Jebus H. Christ on a pogo-stick Major Nikon Oct 2015 #83

True but we have common sense laws to keep Alcohol out of the hands of those.... . CajunBlazer Oct 2015 #129

Good post. GGJohn Oct 2015 #130

You never heard of Prohibition? yuiyoshida Oct 2015 #147

Thank you for that. GGJohn Oct 2015 #148

I didnt say anything about guns Travis_0004 Oct 2015 #8

of course not Skittles Oct 2015 #9

You still havent answered the question Travis_0004 Oct 2015 #41

WHO is talking about banning guns? Skittles Oct 2015 #42

Who? former9thward Oct 2015 #75

Here's A Question For You ProfessorGAC Oct 2015 #64

Need a background check to buy booze? hack89 Oct 2015 #79

Perfect! ProfessorGAC Oct 2015 #89

You implied that alcohol is regulated much more than guns hack89 Oct 2015 #91

Asserted without evidence. beevul Oct 2015 #90

your argument is ridiculous. Seriously ridiculous. bowens43 Oct 2015 #101

We tried that once here SoCalNative Oct 2015 #51

The same would happen banning guns. HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #76

Because it's a fucking bullshit argument alarimer Oct 2015 #85

Incorrect. HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #87

It's on their blood-stained 90's-era faxed sheet of NRA "talking points" they're still working with villager Oct 2015 #12

I know Skittles Oct 2015 #14

Says it's "not about guns" jen63 Oct 2015 #110

We tried that already - Prohibition honeylady Oct 2015 #70

Might as well restrict access to your gunz, and ban your toting, first. Hoyt Oct 2015 #2

Why does that have to be first? eom. GGJohn Oct 2015 #7

Why not? Besides, if you gun fanciers were so "reponsible," as you claim, you'd voluntarily take Hoyt Oct 2015 #49

would you support a ban on both? Travis_0004 Oct 2015 #16

who is talking about banning guns? Skittles Oct 2015 #20

There are plenty here who are suggesting just such a ban. eom. GGJohn Oct 2015 #30

Not really, a gun or two at home is fine with me. Your 4 gun safes full of guns and ammo Hoyt Oct 2015 #50

I know, if that alone isn't enough to suggest that most of them are unbalanced. smirkymonkey Oct 2015 #68

it is pathetic Skittles Oct 2015 #72

Lets keep the alcohol and ban cars. BlueJazz Oct 2015 #3

I like that idea Egnever Oct 2015 #22

+1. nt bemildred Oct 2015 #27

Right on! cheapdate Oct 2015 #29

+1 Cheese Sandwich Oct 2015 #109

Srsly? irisblue Oct 2015 #4

Why? GGJohn Oct 2015 #10

red herring fallacy in OP irisblue Oct 2015 #43

Fair enough. GGJohn Oct 2015 #47

Why? jack_krass Oct 2015 #24

another live one Skittles Oct 2015 #26

Ad hominem irisblue Oct 2015 #44

We tried that once...remember Prohibition? It failed. n/t CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2015 #6

maybe we could try again Travis_0004 Oct 2015 #13

SEE? Skittles Oct 2015 #17

they will happen lancer78 Oct 2015 #139

yet another NRA talking point Skittles Oct 2015 #140

Here is a link to the deadlest school massacre, Bath School Disaster..1927 Stuart G Oct 2015 #149

I know people will find a way--Even I would! CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2015 #31

I know I would. Kath1 Oct 2015 #54

You're right CalifornisPeggy, GGJohn Oct 2015 #15

Prohibition works so well. Downwinder Oct 2015 #11

There is fairly strong regulation. Peoople are still very stupid. graegoyle Oct 2015 #18

Yes. Adrahil Oct 2015 #81

I would support booze being treated like tobacco. bemildred Oct 2015 #19

And now that I think about it, I think that would be excellent for guns too: no marketing. bemildred Oct 2015 #25

I like that Idea as well Egnever Oct 2015 #32

Thank you. bemildred Oct 2015 #37

We should ban guns first. geomon666 Oct 2015 #21

Or you could ban alcohol first and have NO drunken fights! nt kelly1mm Oct 2015 #35

There's nothing wrong with a good drunken fight. geomon666 Oct 2015 #36

Fights are not the problem Travis_0004 Oct 2015 #38

Yes the DUI deaths are a problem geomon666 Oct 2015 #40

Really? Straw Man Oct 2015 #56

I'm sorry to hear that. geomon666 Oct 2015 #59

More people are killed by unarmed assailants than one's armed with SS/semi rifles. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #92

Probably, I wouldn't know. geomon666 Oct 2015 #118

That's why, in addition to sports, they're used for hunting and self-defense. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #120

Of course geomon666 Oct 2015 #121

For thousands of years the world was ruled by the physically superior. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #135

I don't see a distinction between who ruled then and who rules now. geomon666 Oct 2015 #138

Just because you don't (want to) see it doesn't mean it isn't there. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #143

What does that have to do with guns today? geomon666 Oct 2015 #144

The problem isn't peaceable people but that's all grabbers fixate upon. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #145

There are other legitimate forms of self defense. geomon666 Oct 2015 #146

1) While true, there are other legitimate forms of defense Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #150

I don't think anyone here is seriously considering geomon666 Oct 2015 #157

Is it the deaths, period, regardless of method or does only the method matter? Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #158

I'm not sure what you're trying to ask me. geomon666 Oct 2015 #160

What if they died in a car accident after being hit by a drunk? Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #161

Ok? Again I'm not sure what you're asking me. geomon666 Oct 2015 #162

I'm curious to know Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #163

Someone asked me that before. geomon666 Oct 2015 #164

You don't get to say, "I'd give that up so everyone else has to as well." That's not how Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #165

So you're saying all gun control is bad? geomon666 Oct 2015 #170

Because a few deaths at a time are not as bad as many at one time. uppityperson Oct 2015 #33

Wow!!! GGJohn Oct 2015 #48

"Because a few deaths at a time are not as bad as many at one time." Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #94

I hope you realize that what I meant is that is how it is perceived by too many, including uppityperson Oct 2015 #106

Fair 'nuff. As I noted in my post, the latter part of your post was spot on. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #115

Saves Social Security a bunch of money madville Oct 2015 #34

That is just trading OA for SDI. Downwinder Oct 2015 #39

Stupid analogy laundry_queen Oct 2015 #45

Yes, because alcohol is designed to kill, and when used correctly, it kills. Iggo Oct 2015 #46

Guns have a practical purpose, recreational drinking does not. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #96

That's wonderful news. Iggo Oct 2015 #102

It's only news to the willfully ignorant and no one has yet to show how the analogy fails. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #114

So your problem isn't the deaths, it's the product? n/t hughee99 Oct 2015 #123

Tried that already, didn't work. Initech Oct 2015 #53

Did you not learn about Prohibition in school? ladyVet Oct 2015 #55

Alcohol is already more regulated than firearms. Equalizing the two would be fine with me. nomorenomore08 Oct 2015 #57

Firearms are the most heavely regulated consumer product in the US. oneshooter Oct 2015 #69

Assuming the OP is intended as a gun analogy Depaysement Oct 2015 #58

And when alcohol and guns are mixed, the outcome is also just horrible. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #60

People go to jail and lose their license for DUI PowerToThePeople Oct 2015 #61

Let's go with that rufus dog Oct 2015 #88

"that definition can be clarified" Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #100

The US needs to legalize "Liquor Shows". ret5hd Oct 2015 #62

obvious bad analogy is obvious Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #63

Obviously Major Nikon Oct 2015 #99

Alcohol is highly regulated. I assume you Warren Stupidity Oct 2015 #65

These worn-out, inane, deflection maneuvers aren't working any more. Paladin Oct 2015 #66

How is the analogy not apt? Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #97

We don't need analogies. We need solutions. (nt) Paladin Oct 2015 #103

Agreed. What's yours? cleanhippie Oct 2015 #108

In other words it's an apt analogy and so is the futility of gun prohibition as a solution. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #113

Next thing it will be is outlawing marijuana. B Calm Oct 2015 #67

Stop comparing apples to sheep. GoneOffShore Oct 2015 #71

Can alcohol be used to commit mass murder? nt LostOne4Ever Oct 2015 #73

Over-consumption of alcohol kills 4300 underaged drinkers every year. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #98

Reading comprehension is key: "commit" truebluegreen Oct 2015 #104

The only distinction you're drawing is: Who is acting upon whom. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #112

How many times has someone killed 10+people by simply bring a bottle of wine into a room w/ them? LostOne4Ever Oct 2015 #127

You can't kill people by simply bringing a gun into a room. It requires an act of will. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #134

But can you kill ten people with that bottle of wine? Doubt it. Darb Oct 2015 #152

Drunk drivers can kill multiple people in a single accident and Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #155

Not more people on purpose. Darb Oct 2015 #156

You think you can abrogate rights of the innocent based on the motives of bad actors? Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #159

Actually yes nt JonathanRackham Oct 2015 #132

I love how the guy's dad pissed off gun humpers with his comment! Rex Oct 2015 #74

Analogy fail... n/t backscatter712 Oct 2015 #77

Once the legal banning of legal intoxicant starts, governmental banning becomes structural. ancianita Oct 2015 #78

It's not about the deaths. It's about the gunz. nt hack89 Oct 2015 #82

Prohibition led to organized crime and lots and lots of deaths due to poisoning. alarimer Oct 2015 #84

Yet alochol kills 3 times the amount of people as guns Travis_0004 Oct 2015 #105

Depends who you ask, and there is some Venn diagram overlap Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2015 #169

The extent at which Prohibitionists were willing to impose their moral crusade -- Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #116

Really? rbrnmw Oct 2015 #86

Been there, done that, KamaAina Oct 2015 #93

Nah, they tried that. cwydro Oct 2015 #95

Nobody can actually explain what is wrong with this analogy LittleBlue Oct 2015 #107

but.. GUN OUTRAGE !!!!!! Bonx Oct 2015 #111

Marijuana is prohibited in Texas. Can't find ANY!! Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #117

It is a version of this, LittleBlue. beevul Oct 2015 #119

I can, it's easy for sane people, gun fetishists, not so much. Darb Oct 2015 #154

This is really dumb. rockfordfile Oct 2015 #122

I think you have dumbcat Oct 2015 #124

How folks drink that bitter crap is beyond me. ileus Oct 2015 #125

the NRA tells them it TASTES GOOD Skittles Oct 2015 #141

Prohibition Runningdawg Oct 2015 #126

People die everyday. Why is everyone so concerned with how? WDIM Oct 2015 #128

Conceptions JonathanRackham Oct 2015 #131

Because we want booze so we will accept deaths related to it, but we don't want guns so we won' Township75 Oct 2015 #133

How'd it work out the last time the US did that? nt Zorra Oct 2015 #136

This post doesn't even rise the the level of "pathetic". hatrack Oct 2015 #137

We have evidence for this. Nevernose Oct 2015 #142

Did you read the CDC's report on the underlying causes of gun violence? Orrex Oct 2015 #151

From the CDC -- Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #166

You must be new at this. It's bathtubs. n/t kcr Oct 2015 #153

But, but , but... people on DU love alcohol Taitertots Oct 2015 #167

We tried that. It led to a serious gun problem. Then congress banned automatic weapons. Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2015 #168