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branford

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97. Possibly, but that's pure conjecture.

Sun Oct 4, 2015, 10:32 AM

Oct 2015

For example, the USA has a high level suicide by firearm (and it represents two-thirds of deaths by firearm in our country), but our suicide rates are comparable, and sometimes lower, than other similar advanced western countries like Canada, Australia and Europe, and significantly lower than gun control havens like Japan and South Korea. Your contention would be the equivalent of stating if America didn't have guns, we would probably have the lowest suicide rate of first world countries. However, as you can imagine, it doesn't quite work that way.

Also review the levels of violent crime in comparable countries like Britain. Depending on the study, it's sometimes higher than the USA.

Simply, firearms are not the cause of crime. They are a tool used by criminals. That distinction is extremely relevant, and fewer firearms would not necessarily mean there would be less crime.

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Remember, It failed 54 to 46, five Democrats voted against it. Four Republicans voted for it. [View all] whereisjustice Oct 2015 OP

Those jittery Democrats are cowards. The NRA are bullies. n/t CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2015 #1

The NRA aren't just mere bullies, they're terrorists. Initech Oct 2015 #34

Hmmm, better call the DHS and tell them, GGJohn Oct 2015 #38

The NRA is a terrorist organization workinclasszero Oct 2015 #98

Better call the DHS and inform them that workinclasszero has declared the NRA as a terrorist org. GGJohn Oct 2015 #100

Eff them. Worried more about their job than their constituents peacebird Oct 2015 #2

Amen! The constituents are idiots FrodosPet Oct 2015 #48

One of Kay Hagan's finest moments in the Senate dsc Oct 2015 #3

I haven't heard from either one in awhile yeoman6987 Oct 2015 #6

Clever political grave dancing I see. Kingofalldems Oct 2015 #12

They both got replaced by Republicans. Were their votes worth it? friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #37

They were both defeated by repubs. GGJohn Oct 2015 #39

Too many Dems running for reelection in red states. nt hack89 Oct 2015 #4

I hope you realize that in order to become law, branford Oct 2015 #5

I didn't know it was protocol for senate to vote against a bill that faced opposition in the house whereisjustice Oct 2015 #7

Crime rates, including gun crime, are actually at historic lows, branford Oct 2015 #13

Just stop with the NRA talking points rbrnmw Oct 2015 #14

If my statement about crime rates or how some believe school shootings branford Oct 2015 #15

The FBI are the ones saying crime is down, not the NRA: friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #26

The FBI's UCR is now an NRA talking point? GGJohn Oct 2015 #40

"Just stop with the NRA talking points." pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #76

Allow me to say "Fuck you NRA" 100,000 deaths and injuries/year, Oregon had weak gun laws, gun nuts whereisjustice Oct 2015 #16

You give the NRA far too much credit. branford Oct 2015 #17

$3.2 million dollars to Congress, blood money, dead bodies stacking up, NRA all smiles whereisjustice Oct 2015 #19

Nice rant, ineffective, but nice. eom. GGJohn Oct 2015 #42

In case I forgot, Fuck The NRA. They come here to splatter blood all over the place whereisjustice Oct 2015 #43

Funny, I don't see any blood here, GGJohn Oct 2015 #45

Before I forget, let me just add, Fuck You NRA whereisjustice Oct 2015 #46

Your needle is stuck, GGJohn Oct 2015 #47

Looks like I'm not getting through some folks -Fuck You NRA, you violent, neo-confederate, assholes. whereisjustice Oct 2015 #50

I would suggest you get the help you so desperately need. GGJohn Oct 2015 #52

Apologies, I forgot this part: Fuck you NRA. whereisjustice Oct 2015 #55

Hatred like you're displaying here jack_krass Oct 2015 #99

Jury results (I was number 4, GGJohn) mak3cats Oct 2015 #67

Thanks for the results, GGJohn Oct 2015 #70

Without guns, they could be a lot lower treestar Oct 2015 #93

Without cars, vehicle deaths would be a lot lower, GGJohn Oct 2015 #95

Possibly, but that's pure conjecture. branford Oct 2015 #97

That's happened dozens of times since 2010 Recursion Oct 2015 #58

Fucking cowards aren't gonna save US. GeorgeGist Oct 2015 #8

courage what's that Truprogressive85 Oct 2015 #9

And it could have passed if certain Democrats didn't think it should take 60 votes to pass anything PoliticAverse Oct 2015 #10

It could have passed if DiFi hadn't attempted to load it up with her favorite GGJohn Oct 2015 #44

I sent this suggestion to the WH tonight. It's just a possible start. kelliekat44 Oct 2015 #11

Besides the enormous cost hack89 Oct 2015 #18

Required to bring them in for tagging by a certain date. nt kelliekat44 Oct 2015 #27

You also realize gps needs batteries Travis_0004 Oct 2015 #77

And if the don't? hack89 Oct 2015 #78

How about if your gun is lost, stolen or used in a crime, you go to jail. whereisjustice Oct 2015 #21

It's more about a warning to potential victims. If your gun is lost or stolen wouldn't you have kelliekat44 Oct 2015 #29

If I buy a gun, and someone in my household uses it in a crime - any crime- I should be charged whereisjustice Oct 2015 #31

So if I'm planning on shooting up a building on the west side of campus... krispos42 Oct 2015 #23

These tags would be tamper proof as much as possible and fire plated into the weapon. kelliekat44 Oct 2015 #30

What kind of fantasy world do you live in? Lee-Lee Oct 2015 #35

One without knowledge of electronics, apparently... friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #36

No such technology exists. GGJohn Oct 2015 #49

I guess being able to locate you smart phone is fiction too? Dick Tracey was science fiction until kelliekat44 Oct 2015 #101

That's probably the stupidest gun control idea I have seen yet Lee-Lee Oct 2015 #28

Not a stupid idea. As described it has problems, but the idea of tagging has merit whereisjustice Oct 2015 #41

Maybe they'll do better this time around gratuitous Oct 2015 #20

Agree - Nothing says leadership like doing the proper thing inspite of NRA cash whereisjustice Oct 2015 #22

With the repubs in charge of the Senate and the House? GGJohn Oct 2015 #51

That right there proves the cowardice, not jitteriness, of the Democrat Party. What weasels. ancianita Oct 2015 #24

Do we even know how many guns are used in shootings from private sales w/o background checks aikoaiko Oct 2015 #25

The only two I am aware of are Columbine and the guy in NY who shot at firefighters Lee-Lee Oct 2015 #33

Which is why you should be charged with a felony if a gun registered to you whereisjustice Oct 2015 #53

The vast majority of firearms in this country aren't registered, the govt has no clue GGJohn Oct 2015 #59

Did I mention, Fuck You, NRA? If not, Fuck you , NRA. whereisjustice Oct 2015 #64

Wow!!!! That's sooooo..........intellectual. GGJohn Oct 2015 #65

For the NRA, I keep it simple - Fuck You, NRA. I hope I'm clear. whereisjustice Oct 2015 #66

That'll teach 'em! pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #74

I forgot to mention this - Fuck You NRA. The NRA is cancer in the form of whereisjustice Oct 2015 #80

Well.......nice to see that you're multi-dimensional and well-read on the gun violence issue. pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #89

If it's mass imurder, the NRA comes humping guns, did I say Fuck YOU NRA? If not, Fuck You NRA whereisjustice Oct 2015 #91

NRA, NRA, NRA, NRA, NRA, NRA, NRA, NRA, NRA, NRA, NRA, NRA, NRA, NRA, NRA, NRA, GGJohn Oct 2015 #92

The guy in this latest shooting passed background checks Lee-Lee Oct 2015 #79

The failure was he had access to 13 guns bought by others, in Oregon's notorious gun market whereisjustice Oct 2015 #81

The BATFE has already said all his guns were legally purchased with background checks Lee-Lee Oct 2015 #83

Just because the loophole was legal in Oregon, doesn't mean it wasn't used. Oregon just closed whereisjustice Oct 2015 #84

By the way, join me in a hearty Fuck You to the NRA whereisjustice Oct 2015 #85

It failed April 17, 2013 Jim Beard Oct 2015 #32

With the repubs in charge of the Senate and the House? GGJohn Oct 2015 #54

You can't fault Reid--he counted votes and saw we didn't have it, so he preserved his MADem Oct 2015 #56

Ha, Reid was his own worse enemy, GGJohn Oct 2015 #62

As leader, he couldn't pull it back up if he didn't vote the way he did. MADem Oct 2015 #69

Jury Results: cui bono Oct 2015 #72

Thank you. GGJohn Oct 2015 #73

Seems like you're a big problem for "true" Democrats, GG. pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #75

I KNOW!!! GGJohn Oct 2015 #88

Reid doesn't count -- his vote was for procedural reasons Recursion Oct 2015 #57

When is he planning on reintroducing it? whereisjustice Oct 2015 #60

When there are enough votes to pass it, I assume? Recursion Oct 2015 #61

He can try to re-introduce it, but he's no longer the majority leader, GGJohn Oct 2015 #63

54 should BE A WIN. IT IS MORE. pansypoo53219 Oct 2015 #68

Well, then the National Concealed Carry Reciprocity bill should have passed also, GGJohn Oct 2015 #71

Fancy name for a bill better known as: National Murder Facilitation Act, btw - Fuck You NRA whereisjustice Oct 2015 #82

You're hilarous. GGJohn Oct 2015 #86

Let's all welcome the NRA with a Fuck You NRA ok? Here goes 1..2..3 Fuck You NRA! whereisjustice Oct 2015 #87

I'm guessing that you're an absolute *wizard* at three dimensional chess! pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #90

Did you know NRA, roaches, maggots, fleas, ticks, hook worms, all related? Fuck you, NRA whereisjustice Oct 2015 #94

NRA,NRA,NRA,NRA,NRA,NRA,NRA,NRA,NRA,NRA,NRA,NRA,NRA,NRA,NRA,NRA,NRA,NRA,NRA,NRA,NRA,NRA, GGJohn Oct 2015 #96