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Blue_In_AK

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82. Uh, no, not the same.

Sun Oct 4, 2015, 01:39 PM

Oct 2015

For one thing, my SIL is Australian by way of South Africa, so not Middle Eastern, and the Islam he was raised with is not the fundamentalist Middle Eastern variety. The point I was trying to make, with which you apparently agree, is that Muslims, like Christians, fall all along a continuum. There are batshit crazy Christians and batshit crazy Muslims. There are good, kind Christians and good, kind Muslims. And, of course, the same can be said for atheists, Buddhists, whoever.

I think we make a mistake when we define people solely by their religion, their culture, their country of origin, their race, or any other classification. And I realize that Bill Maher is talking about the religion itself, not the adherents (or so he says), but sometimes in his comments, the distinction is blurry.

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Bill Maher, Richard Dawkins Rip �Regressive Leftists� Giving a �Free Pass� to Islam [View all] flamingdem Oct 2015 OP

Well, at least he's not saying that white progressives are racists. delrem Oct 2015 #1

Bill Maher's hatred of Islam is just a cover for his racism and support for war. cpwm17 Oct 2015 #2

Islam is not a race pscot Oct 2015 #23

He hates Semites by birth and language - Arabs. cpwm17 Oct 2015 #27

So then do Arabs hate gay people and get off on violence against us, they do violence to us Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #33

So you hate Islam and you hate Arabs. Equally. delrem Oct 2015 #55

Of course that is not what I said at all and your casual willingness to bear false witness suggests Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #78

I could never understand that one either. smirkymonkey Oct 2015 #64

He hates Semites by birth and yargle bargel boo boo AlbertCat Oct 2015 #37

Don't forget their hatred of the Jews (as evidenced in many recent anti-Jewish smirkymonkey Oct 2015 #65

Sorry, Bill. stranger81 Oct 2015 #3

But you're okay when he rips Christians? Yavin4 Oct 2015 #40

He isn't promoting a war against Christians, or Jews, or delrem Oct 2015 #59

What war? Yavin4 Oct 2015 #60

The US's "war against Islamic terrorism", which has been going approx. 15 yrs now. delrem Oct 2015 #63

Maher supports war against Islamic terrorism?!?!?! Yavin4 Oct 2015 #81

This message was self-deleted by its author delrem Oct 2015 #89

He singles out Islam for rather special treatment. delrem Oct 2015 #90

He does not hate people. He hates religion. Yavin4 Oct 2015 #92

Yah. Right. delrem Oct 2015 #95

No, has said that Muslims are naturally violent cpwm17 Oct 2015 #96

Can you provide a link with Maher stating all Muslims are naturally violent? riderinthestorm Oct 2015 #100

I really wish I could find a link to get an accurate quote cpwm17 Oct 2015 #107

You keep reiterating these points without substantiation riderinthestorm Oct 2015 #108

And he never said, "Arabs" Yavin4 Oct 2015 #105

Maher has some good writers on staff olddots Oct 2015 #4

True shenmue Oct 2015 #51

In between saying, "Fuck their culture", Dawkins was plugging his book. rug Oct 2015 #5

I agree with bill LukeFL Oct 2015 #6

They are 100% right melman Oct 2015 #7

I agree with Maher on this issue. He's right-on on this one. Proof is here on DU. demosincebirth Oct 2015 #8

Look at this very thread for proof Democat Oct 2015 #13

"Go, Bill, go!!!!!" would be the cry. n/m ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2015 #15

Exactly. smirkymonkey Oct 2015 #17

Maher distinguishes between crazy and non-crazy chrisitans, but all Muslims are evil Scootaloo Oct 2015 #79

bigots Truprogressive85 Oct 2015 #9

I don't give a free pass to anyone, particularly when it comes to unscientific dogma. Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #10

You only need to read DU to see the truth Democat Oct 2015 #11

Yes - we should all engage in anti-Islamic hate speech. Maedhros Oct 2015 #32

I think we should all engage in strong criticism of all bigoted schools of thought. Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #34

No. People such as Maher cross the line from hating dogma Maedhros Oct 2015 #38

Correct. delrem Oct 2015 #56

I don't agree with you and you did not even attempt to support your assertions beyond preaching Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #77

And yet you dismiss the anti gay bigotry of Francis and insist that a homopbobe is the measure of Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #80

I don't think you read my post. Maedhros Oct 2015 #87

There is no love in what you are saying at all. You dismiss anti gay bigotry out of any and all Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #99

Do you really think fundamentalist Islam is beyond reproach? smirkymonkey Oct 2015 #66

Not at all. Maedhros Oct 2015 #85

And yet you fail to speak about LGBT issues in Islam with anything like honesty. Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #101

I think Christian fundamentalists receive their fair share of scorn here, Blue_In_AK Oct 2015 #35

I think his issue with fundamentalist Christians TexasBushwhacker Oct 2015 #52

I agree ohheckyeah Oct 2015 #12

Maher was quite a dick about the 14 year old clock kid. romanic Oct 2015 #14

With Maher it goes beyond angst over a "free pass" for Islam..... marmar Oct 2015 #16

On DU it often seems that there is more criticism of Christians who refuse to bake cakes Nye Bevan Oct 2015 #18

gak! flamingdem Oct 2015 #21

It would be ironic if it weren't so nauseating. nt hifiguy Oct 2015 #46

+1000. nt awoke_in_2003 Oct 2015 #54

This is the mark of a very sick culture. No other religion does these things. smirkymonkey Oct 2015 #67

Maher is a bigot and a hypocrite One of the 99 Oct 2015 #19

Islamophobes (Muslimphobes would be more correct) are war lovers. cpwm17 Oct 2015 #22

Somebody needs to straighten this out. hifiguy Oct 2015 #45

If you read the whole post One of the 99 Oct 2015 #72

That video has zero content of Maher saying he thinks Muslims are violent riderinthestorm Oct 2015 #102

I agree with Bill. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #20

Two bigots having a conversations...yawn. Rex Oct 2015 #24

He is 100% correct Matrosov Oct 2015 #25

I think a lot of people want to avoid/prevent actual bigotry against muslims arcane1 Oct 2015 #28

No belief system and no idea should be immune from criticism. arcane1 Oct 2015 #26

I'm an equal opportunity religious critic. riderinthestorm Oct 2015 #29

They are right WestCoastLib Oct 2015 #30

Damn tootin. hifiguy Oct 2015 #44

Maher & Dawkins are absolutely right about this rollin74 Oct 2015 #31

The poor, defenseless oppressive mysogynists need our protection. Binkie The Clown Oct 2015 #36

So Muslims are Nazis now. cpwm17 Oct 2015 #39

and yet you called him a "Zionist" like its some sort of slur Mosby Oct 2015 #42

Is Maher a Zionist? delrem Oct 2015 #58

So Muslims aren't racists. Binkie The Clown Oct 2015 #47

So the 1.5 billion Muslims in the World hate everybody else. cpwm17 Oct 2015 #48

It's their religious duty to kill the infidel. Binkie The Clown Oct 2015 #49

That was sickening. smirkymonkey Oct 2015 #69

That's Anjem Choudary, currently awaiting trial for encouraging support of ISIS muriel_volestrangler Oct 2015 #83

My son-in-law is Muslim, Blue_In_AK Oct 2015 #62

Is this the new GummyBearz Oct 2015 #73

Uh, no, not the same. Blue_In_AK Oct 2015 #82

Ummm...Most Muslims hate Jews as well and would wipe them off the planet if they smirkymonkey Oct 2015 #68

Agreed. I hate misogyny and any organization that Duppers Oct 2015 #41

They have a good point hifiguy Oct 2015 #43

As this last week shows LostOne4Ever Oct 2015 #50

ALL religion deserves mocking (and he does do that) nt awoke_in_2003 Oct 2015 #53

Islam Is An Oppressive Religion Toward Both Men And Women NonMetro Oct 2015 #57

We're still fighting "christianity" here when dealing with fundamentalists flamingdem Oct 2015 #61

I just started a thread on why "In God We Trust" needs to go NonMetro Oct 2015 #84

I agree and think religion is their excuse to gain flamingdem Oct 2015 #86

+1000 smirkymonkey Oct 2015 #70

I agree with Maher and Dawkins. Just as all fiction is equally fake, all religion is equally Oneironaut Oct 2015 #71

all religions deserve equal scrutiny restorefreedom Oct 2015 #74

Maher's mother is Jewish Fumesucker Oct 2015 #91

could have fooled me restorefreedom Oct 2015 #97

So because Maher criticises "pretty much any religion" he's a bigot? riderinthestorm Oct 2015 #103

he doesn't have to like religion restorefreedom Oct 2015 #104

Ah, so he rubs you the wrong way and that earns him the bigot label riderinthestorm Oct 2015 #106

he seems to play favorites restorefreedom Oct 2015 #110

Link? riderinthestorm Oct 2015 #111

there are plenty more.... restorefreedom Oct 2015 #112

Both of those articles mistake Maher's critique of Islam riderinthestorm Oct 2015 #113

i did notice that quote restorefreedom Oct 2015 #114

The problem is the hypocrisy. I agree Islam gets protected status. davidn3600 Oct 2015 #75

+1000 Yavin4 Oct 2015 #93

I'm a proud liberal. Meldread Oct 2015 #76

Bravo! smirkymonkey Oct 2015 #88

An EXCELLENT post. hifiguy Oct 2015 #115

Fucking Dick Dorkins needs to shut up and stick to his field. Arkana Oct 2015 #94

Dawkins and Maher are right leftynyc Oct 2015 #98

Bill Maher is right on this one. patsimp Oct 2015 #109