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NonMetro

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3. Does It Not?

Sun Oct 4, 2015, 01:44 PM

Oct 2015

I understand what you are saying, but how is leaving 25% of Americans virtually unrepresented in government a positive for us? And I know no one today is going to challenge the Republican "God and Country" types who currently dominate our government, and no one is going to try to take God back out of government right now, but sooner or later, something needs to be done.

And that's why I question your conclusion. "God and Country" people have consistently opposed, not merely increases in the minimum wage, and unions, but have also otherwise acted to cut social safety net programs. Do these activities not materially affect people?

I get the politics of it, too. Trying to challenge The motto, or "under God" in the pledge would be just as difficult these days, if not more so, than it was for politicians in the 1950's. Nobody can afford to be painted as "against God", which is another reason our motto is so coercive!

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"IN GOD WE TRUST" Must go! [View all] NonMetro Oct 2015 OP

I'm sorry but that's not the hill I choose to wage my battle on today. cherokeeprogressive Oct 2015 #1

Does It Not? NonMetro Oct 2015 #3

The only markings on currency that matter to me are its denomination. cherokeeprogressive Oct 2015 #5

I'll march with you. 840high Oct 2015 #89

Exactly. branford Oct 2015 #10

Agree not now, but hopefully before too many years pass. It's all wrong. Hortensis Oct 2015 #17

You certainly don't have to take the loyalty card yeoman6987 Oct 2015 #37

Sorry, Charlie. I may live in the South, but an authoritarian "loyalty card" come-on Hortensis Oct 2015 #48

No biggie to me. I could care less how you shop. yeoman6987 Oct 2015 #58

It's not about shopping. It's about mass manipulation, where people can be lead, Hortensis Oct 2015 #60

Ok. I shop at publix. The last place I know of that doesn't have yeoman6987 Oct 2015 #62

Sure. My best guess is the new card name won't last long anyway. Hortensis Oct 2015 #66

Those cards aren't about loyalty, or authoritarianism SwankyXomb Oct 2015 #77

Swank, they're being CALLED "loyalty cards." Seems the marketing people Hortensis Oct 2015 #78

Lol, so one issue at a time for you only??? Multitask a little pal. Nt Logical Oct 2015 #53

Who said anything about a single issue? cherokeeprogressive Oct 2015 #61

Those words being associated with our government legislature is EXTREMELY intimidating and... ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2015 #67

Agreed. It was not possible to build today's system edgineered Oct 2015 #2

Exactly! NonMetro Oct 2015 #79

Agree As Well colsohlibgal Oct 2015 #4

Then they should have put it in the constitution yeoman6987 Oct 2015 #38

Don't spend much time reading the Constitution, do you? jeff47 Oct 2015 #40

It says everyone is free to practice religion yeoman6987 Oct 2015 #45

And how is that not endorsing a religion? jeff47 Oct 2015 #46

I'm with you..."God" has no place in our government...it's in BERNIE we trust! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2015 #69

Plastering "In God We Trust" on our government buildings and our currency, etc... ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2015 #68

No reasonable person can argue otherwise. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2015 #70

Right! NonMetro Oct 2015 #80

The justices knew it was unconstitutional but didn't dare say so starroute Oct 2015 #6

Interesting That Justice Black Knew It Was Unconstitutional! NonMetro Oct 2015 #26

But the SC had to pick its battles back then, same as today. erronis Oct 2015 #33

The whole point of having federal judges serve for life is that they are free to make unpopular merrily Oct 2015 #56

Yep, it causes a considerable conflict IMO. We say we have separation of church/state, RKP5637 Oct 2015 #52

I totally agree. CharlotteVale Oct 2015 #7

Absolutely agree. If more people knew what it really represented, it would be less popular. MindPilot Oct 2015 #8

Great Analysis! NonMetro Oct 2015 #12

I agree. I was always angry when I had to say the pledge as a kid, Arugula Latte Oct 2015 #9

That's Exactly what it is: NonMetro Oct 2015 #81

I agree. As to those that say "there's more impotant stuff", I say: Some of us are capable of.. BlueJazz Oct 2015 #11

+infinity LostOne4Ever Oct 2015 #14

I agree! NonMetro Oct 2015 #18

I support that, but I also support getting Latin phrases MineralMan Oct 2015 #13

Be careful. Although I know it's not your intent, branford Oct 2015 #21

No, that is not my intent. MineralMan Oct 2015 #24

As an attorney, I must admit I like my occasional Latin phrase. branford Oct 2015 #25

I'm not an attorney, but understand all legal Latin phrases. MineralMan Oct 2015 #27

In fairness, there's very little obscure Latin in legal practice today, branford Oct 2015 #28

Cui bono. Some Latin phrases I like for their meaning and history. When working with a appalachiablue Oct 2015 #34

'Who benefits?' is equally powerful, but is instantly MineralMan Oct 2015 #44

I am the same way with my fraction skills awoke_in_2003 Oct 2015 #49

E Pluribus Unum: Out Of Many, One? NonMetro Oct 2015 #82

Return the national motto back to E Pluribus Unum! LostOne4Ever Oct 2015 #15

Do atheists really see "In God We Trust" as "intimidating and coercive"? Nye Bevan Oct 2015 #16

I see it as conflating Patriotism with Religion LostOne4Ever Oct 2015 #19

I see it as a declaration that you believe in imaginary beings and fairy tales NightWatcher Oct 2015 #22

I think so! NonMetro Oct 2015 #23

Organized religion can't survive without it Major Nikon Oct 2015 #41

Both actually Major Nikon Oct 2015 #39

Very True! NonMetro Oct 2015 #83

It's not hard to figure out Major Nikon Oct 2015 #84

Agree! NonMetro Oct 2015 #90

They simultaneously claim god's will in unknowable and claim to know god's will Major Nikon Oct 2015 #91

The only reason we aren't getting shot is it's easy for us to pass. jeff47 Oct 2015 #42

Yep, easy to fly under the radar awoke_in_2003 Oct 2015 #50

It's a perpetual reminder that I don't belong Orrex Oct 2015 #55

I absolutely find it "intimidating and coercive". And TERRIFYING! Scares me more than the idea... ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2015 #74

This atheist doesn't give a shit. Throd Oct 2015 #85

I agree dumbcat Oct 2015 #20

AGREED! joanbarnes Oct 2015 #29

Or should I say Amen? joanbarnes Oct 2015 #30

I'm so old that... Oldtimeralso Oct 2015 #31

I don;t disagree, but... Adrahil Oct 2015 #32

This is always what I think of when the religious types go into their martyr act. Jim Lane Oct 2015 #35

Yes, because we really don't "trust god" for anythiing. MindPilot Oct 2015 #63

Not it doesn't. Because you say so? LukeFL Oct 2015 #36

Because it is a violation of the church and state LostOne4Ever Oct 2015 #43

Would you feel the same knowing it represents anti-union corporatism? MindPilot Oct 2015 #47

Touch a nerve? awoke_in_2003 Oct 2015 #51

You don't get to tell anyone to fucking move on! Who the hell do you think you are? nt ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2015 #73

It's an uphill battle, many citizens are robots IMO programmed to believe. There are higher RKP5637 Oct 2015 #54

Aronow v. United States melm00se Oct 2015 #57

If there is no religious significance, then it is meaniingless, and should be removed. MindPilot Oct 2015 #59

but there is a significance melm00se Oct 2015 #64

that part is not in question. MindPilot Oct 2015 #65

Anyone who argues that "God" is not a religious reference is just being obtuse. nt ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2015 #72

It is not my fucking motto nor does it represent me. I want a different motto. nt ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2015 #71

and if you pick a motto melm00se Oct 2015 #75

WTF? Do you think it would be changed to something like "In The Devil We Trust"? What the fuck? ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2015 #76

Circular logic Major Nikon Oct 2015 #86

I'm an atheist, but it really doesn't bother me much. Throd Oct 2015 #87

"...all others, pay cash." Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #88

If you're certain it is unconstitutional, then bring the case onenote Oct 2015 #92