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LostOne4Ever

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19. I see it as conflating Patriotism with Religion

Sun Oct 4, 2015, 02:43 PM

Oct 2015

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]I have heard of non-believing children being told they aren't real citizens because this is "ONE NATION UNDER GOD."

Perhaps the single greatest example of this was the following:[/font]

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"IN GOD WE TRUST" Must go! [View all] NonMetro Oct 2015 OP

I'm sorry but that's not the hill I choose to wage my battle on today. cherokeeprogressive Oct 2015 #1

Does It Not? NonMetro Oct 2015 #3

The only markings on currency that matter to me are its denomination. cherokeeprogressive Oct 2015 #5

I'll march with you. 840high Oct 2015 #89

Exactly. branford Oct 2015 #10

Agree not now, but hopefully before too many years pass. It's all wrong. Hortensis Oct 2015 #17

You certainly don't have to take the loyalty card yeoman6987 Oct 2015 #37

Sorry, Charlie. I may live in the South, but an authoritarian "loyalty card" come-on Hortensis Oct 2015 #48

No biggie to me. I could care less how you shop. yeoman6987 Oct 2015 #58

It's not about shopping. It's about mass manipulation, where people can be lead, Hortensis Oct 2015 #60

Ok. I shop at publix. The last place I know of that doesn't have yeoman6987 Oct 2015 #62

Sure. My best guess is the new card name won't last long anyway. Hortensis Oct 2015 #66

Those cards aren't about loyalty, or authoritarianism SwankyXomb Oct 2015 #77

Swank, they're being CALLED "loyalty cards." Seems the marketing people Hortensis Oct 2015 #78

Lol, so one issue at a time for you only??? Multitask a little pal. Nt Logical Oct 2015 #53

Who said anything about a single issue? cherokeeprogressive Oct 2015 #61

Those words being associated with our government legislature is EXTREMELY intimidating and... ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2015 #67

Agreed. It was not possible to build today's system edgineered Oct 2015 #2

Exactly! NonMetro Oct 2015 #79

Agree As Well colsohlibgal Oct 2015 #4

Then they should have put it in the constitution yeoman6987 Oct 2015 #38

Don't spend much time reading the Constitution, do you? jeff47 Oct 2015 #40

It says everyone is free to practice religion yeoman6987 Oct 2015 #45

And how is that not endorsing a religion? jeff47 Oct 2015 #46

I'm with you..."God" has no place in our government...it's in BERNIE we trust! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2015 #69

Plastering "In God We Trust" on our government buildings and our currency, etc... ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2015 #68

No reasonable person can argue otherwise. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2015 #70

Right! NonMetro Oct 2015 #80

The justices knew it was unconstitutional but didn't dare say so starroute Oct 2015 #6

Interesting That Justice Black Knew It Was Unconstitutional! NonMetro Oct 2015 #26

But the SC had to pick its battles back then, same as today. erronis Oct 2015 #33

The whole point of having federal judges serve for life is that they are free to make unpopular merrily Oct 2015 #56

Yep, it causes a considerable conflict IMO. We say we have separation of church/state, RKP5637 Oct 2015 #52

I totally agree. CharlotteVale Oct 2015 #7

Absolutely agree. If more people knew what it really represented, it would be less popular. MindPilot Oct 2015 #8

Great Analysis! NonMetro Oct 2015 #12

I agree. I was always angry when I had to say the pledge as a kid, Arugula Latte Oct 2015 #9

That's Exactly what it is: NonMetro Oct 2015 #81

I agree. As to those that say "there's more impotant stuff", I say: Some of us are capable of.. BlueJazz Oct 2015 #11

+infinity LostOne4Ever Oct 2015 #14

I agree! NonMetro Oct 2015 #18

I support that, but I also support getting Latin phrases MineralMan Oct 2015 #13

Be careful. Although I know it's not your intent, branford Oct 2015 #21

No, that is not my intent. MineralMan Oct 2015 #24

As an attorney, I must admit I like my occasional Latin phrase. branford Oct 2015 #25

I'm not an attorney, but understand all legal Latin phrases. MineralMan Oct 2015 #27

In fairness, there's very little obscure Latin in legal practice today, branford Oct 2015 #28

Cui bono. Some Latin phrases I like for their meaning and history. When working with a appalachiablue Oct 2015 #34

'Who benefits?' is equally powerful, but is instantly MineralMan Oct 2015 #44

I am the same way with my fraction skills awoke_in_2003 Oct 2015 #49

E Pluribus Unum: Out Of Many, One? NonMetro Oct 2015 #82

Return the national motto back to E Pluribus Unum! LostOne4Ever Oct 2015 #15

Do atheists really see "In God We Trust" as "intimidating and coercive"? Nye Bevan Oct 2015 #16

I see it as conflating Patriotism with Religion LostOne4Ever Oct 2015 #19

I see it as a declaration that you believe in imaginary beings and fairy tales NightWatcher Oct 2015 #22

I think so! NonMetro Oct 2015 #23

Organized religion can't survive without it Major Nikon Oct 2015 #41

Both actually Major Nikon Oct 2015 #39

Very True! NonMetro Oct 2015 #83

It's not hard to figure out Major Nikon Oct 2015 #84

Agree! NonMetro Oct 2015 #90

They simultaneously claim god's will in unknowable and claim to know god's will Major Nikon Oct 2015 #91

The only reason we aren't getting shot is it's easy for us to pass. jeff47 Oct 2015 #42

Yep, easy to fly under the radar awoke_in_2003 Oct 2015 #50

It's a perpetual reminder that I don't belong Orrex Oct 2015 #55

I absolutely find it "intimidating and coercive". And TERRIFYING! Scares me more than the idea... ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2015 #74

This atheist doesn't give a shit. Throd Oct 2015 #85

I agree dumbcat Oct 2015 #20

AGREED! joanbarnes Oct 2015 #29

Or should I say Amen? joanbarnes Oct 2015 #30

I'm so old that... Oldtimeralso Oct 2015 #31

I don;t disagree, but... Adrahil Oct 2015 #32

This is always what I think of when the religious types go into their martyr act. Jim Lane Oct 2015 #35

Yes, because we really don't "trust god" for anythiing. MindPilot Oct 2015 #63

Not it doesn't. Because you say so? LukeFL Oct 2015 #36

Because it is a violation of the church and state LostOne4Ever Oct 2015 #43

Would you feel the same knowing it represents anti-union corporatism? MindPilot Oct 2015 #47

Touch a nerve? awoke_in_2003 Oct 2015 #51

You don't get to tell anyone to fucking move on! Who the hell do you think you are? nt ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2015 #73

It's an uphill battle, many citizens are robots IMO programmed to believe. There are higher RKP5637 Oct 2015 #54

Aronow v. United States melm00se Oct 2015 #57

If there is no religious significance, then it is meaniingless, and should be removed. MindPilot Oct 2015 #59

but there is a significance melm00se Oct 2015 #64

that part is not in question. MindPilot Oct 2015 #65

Anyone who argues that "God" is not a religious reference is just being obtuse. nt ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2015 #72

It is not my fucking motto nor does it represent me. I want a different motto. nt ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2015 #71

and if you pick a motto melm00se Oct 2015 #75

WTF? Do you think it would be changed to something like "In The Devil We Trust"? What the fuck? ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2015 #76

Circular logic Major Nikon Oct 2015 #86

I'm an atheist, but it really doesn't bother me much. Throd Oct 2015 #87

"...all others, pay cash." Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #88

If you're certain it is unconstitutional, then bring the case onenote Oct 2015 #92