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zeljko67

(65 posts)
15. Everybody has read the fkn bill.
Mon Dec 26, 2011, 12:26 PM
Dec 2011

And the FKN bill. Let Al Franken help you understand the fkn bill....

Response to a Citizen of his District:

On December 15, 2011, the Senate passed a bill including provisions on detention that I found simply unacceptable. These provisions are inconsistent with the liberties and freedoms that are at the core of the system our Founders established. And while I did in fact vote for an earlier version of the legislation, I did so with the hope that the final version would be significantly improved. That didn't happen, and so I could not support the final bill.

The bill that passed included several problematic provisions, the worst of which could allow the military to detain Americans indefinitely, without charge or trial, even if they're on U.S. soil. Another provision requires the military-not civilian law enforcement agencies like the FBI-to detain anyone that it believes to be a member of al Qaeda or an associated force and who helped plan or carry out an attack on the U.S. or its allies. At their core, these provisions will radically alter how we investigate, arrest, and detain individuals suspected of terrorism. This leaves it unclear what role the FBI and other law enforcement agencies are to play, despite their proven effectiveness at preventing attacks on our homeland since September 11th. This comes despite deep concerns voiced by FBI Director Robert Mueller before the Senate Judiciary Committee, of which I'm a member. What's more, these provisions could undermine the safety of our troops stationed abroad.

During consideration of the National Defense Authorization Act, I expressed my strong opposition to these provisions on the floor of the Senate. I filed two amendments to strip each of the provisions, but unfortunately neither received a vote. I also voted in favor of several amendments that would have made significant improvements to the provisions; none of these passed..."

Pretty straight forward...

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Good for them, and any States that have recall should do the same! n/t teddy51 Dec 2011 #1
Except that you cannot recall federal elected officials. TheWraith Dec 2011 #2
Thanks, didn't know that! n/t teddy51 Dec 2011 #6
They have to be impeached. shraby Dec 2011 #35
The Constitution sulphurdunn Dec 2011 #37
Yes, federal courts HAVE ruled that recall laws do not apply to fed officials. TheWraith Dec 2011 #42
I've researched this matter sulphurdunn Dec 2011 #46
The linked article states that US Senators ..... suston96 Dec 2011 #3
Says a New Jersey State judge has upheld it for his state. zeljko67 Dec 2011 #7
But he issued a signing statement denouncing that part of the bill. n/t Ian David Dec 2011 #22
A signing statement has no legal meaning. former9thward Dec 2011 #49
They might be able to recall an elected official for breaking their state oath of office. LiberalFighter Dec 2011 #51
Can you imagine what kind of Congress we would have if they let this crap happen? Major Hogwash Dec 2011 #36
Obey the constitution or suffer the consequences malaise Dec 2011 #4
Why the fuss? MannyGoldstein Dec 2011 #5
Trust him to do what??? zeljko67 Dec 2011 #9
Why do you hate our Democratic president? MannyGoldstein Dec 2011 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author HereSince1628 Dec 2011 #26
Yeah, kinda. MannyGoldstein Dec 2011 #28
And those of us who know you nadinbrzezinski Dec 2011 #31
It felt good to be practical. MannyGoldstein Dec 2011 #32
Did any of you read the article? Robb Dec 2011 #8
Aside from that, you cannot recall senators tammywammy Dec 2011 #10
They're republican oathkeepers BlueToTheBone Dec 2011 #39
From what I've seen over the years, a lot of DUers don't seem to know that onenote Dec 2011 #50
I've noticed that as well. tammywammy Dec 2011 #52
No surprise - and the guy probably hasn't read the bill, or the constitution either bhikkhu Dec 2011 #11
Everybody has read the fkn bill. zeljko67 Dec 2011 #15
Be practical MannyGoldstein Dec 2011 #25
Manny, have your fun but don't line up with Rhodes. Robb Dec 2011 #38
...then they would see that ending the war (and so retiring the AUMF) is the solution bhikkhu Dec 2011 #29
So that makes it wrong... zeljko67 Dec 2011 #12
This is Paulite militia nonsense, and you're spreading it. Robb Dec 2011 #14
Post removed Post removed Dec 2011 #16
We're coming for your guns next. Robb Dec 2011 #18
Post removed Post removed Dec 2011 #19
I don't want to help Birther militia remove Democratic senators. Robb Dec 2011 #24
But it's true Ter Dec 2011 #33
May I suggest you watch the Showtime FarPoint Dec 2011 #44
Good catch... FarPoint Dec 2011 #45
If the Senators had been Republicans treestar Dec 2011 #13
More stupid responses.. zeljko67 Dec 2011 #17
Bigger shitheads will do shitter things, no? treestar Dec 2011 #20
They can't be recalled, nor will they impeach themselves. All you can do is choose among the TheKentuckian Dec 2011 #21
that website is messed up Enrique Dec 2011 #27
Instead of arguing recall how about discussing...... suston96 Dec 2011 #30
Which applies to criminal procescution of US citizens and legal residents bhikkhu Dec 2011 #34
A note about the NDAA: Fire Walk With Me Dec 2011 #40
Sorry about that; I didn't see your thread until I added to mine. Fire Walk With Me Dec 2011 #41
Whether or not.. 99Forever Dec 2011 #43
I'll support keeping our FarPoint Dec 2011 #47
What does that have to do with what I said? 99Forever Dec 2011 #48
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