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26. Depending on the culprit, motive, location, method & number hurt, the accountability is different.

Sun Oct 4, 2015, 04:45 PM

Oct 2015

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Culprit -- age matters; whether the culprit is civilian or military matters; sanity and competency matter.

Motive -- motive must be plausibly proven, not just possible.

Location -- laws, jurisdictions, legal access and quality may vary.

Method -- important; was the weapon individually own, owned by the military, state, etc.

Number hurt -- major accountability; to different agencies; one could be accountable to "the people of___", one could be accountable to one's immediate superior

Justice and adjudication have been complicated for hundreds of years, and answers are worlds apart, depending on whether they act in the civilian world or the military/intel world.

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is there a difference between a campus shooting and a hospital bombing? [View all] reddread Oct 2015 OP

Really? You are having a "tough time" telling the difference between a targeted assault by MADem Oct 2015 #1

the shooter hit the wrong targets reddread Oct 2015 #3

I don't even know what you mean. I don't think death is something to snark about, but that's me. nt MADem Oct 2015 #5

So you're trolling melman Oct 2015 #37

What shooter do you mean? uppityperson Oct 2015 #74

It was not a mistake. FuzzyRabbit Oct 2015 #8

OK, what does "call the military" even mean, here? MADem Oct 2015 #10

Hanlon's razor branford Oct 2015 #14

That's where I'm at, right now. I'm open to hearing evidence to the contrary. MADem Oct 2015 #19

maybe the next Chelsea Manning will have something for you reddread Oct 2015 #21

That wouldn't be you, plainly. nt MADem Oct 2015 #41

Is there a specific diagnosis of his acute mental disorder? HereSince1628 Oct 2015 #31

Apparently, there was--according to his mother. MADem Oct 2015 #43

Yes I had seen that, it;s too nebulous to relate to a specific dx HereSince1628 Oct 2015 #45

It sounds to me as though his condition was chronic. Not a one-off, not a problem of brief duration MADem Oct 2015 #46

The problem he had in HS may not be the problem HereSince1628 Oct 2015 #48

Certainly, that's always possible. MADem Oct 2015 #59

I'd say there's a good probability based on a single known occurrence HereSince1628 Oct 2015 #62

He's probably had at least (conservatively) three psych evals. MADem Oct 2015 #63

Yes, but mental illness isn't' necessarily permanent HereSince1628 Oct 2015 #64

Bipolar disorder pretty much is, and it's more difficult to MADem Oct 2015 #69

All the 'dramatic' personality disorders are chronic/long lasting HereSince1628 Oct 2015 #71

It's speculation, certainly--but I'd put a few bucks down on being close, if not MADem Oct 2015 #72

I think the hospital bombing was intentional. alarimer Oct 2015 #65

I am afraid I don't agree with you. nt MADem Oct 2015 #66

Post removed Post removed Oct 2015 #80

If the latter happened here, we'd lose multiple Constitutional rights to prevent recurrence . . . Journeyman Oct 2015 #2

Ethically and morally... no. demmiblue Oct 2015 #4

Are you saying that the hospital was targeted? nt MADem Oct 2015 #6

Yes. n/t demmiblue Oct 2015 #7

I'd need to see some evidence of that. nt MADem Oct 2015 #11

That will never happen!!! atreides1 Oct 2015 #38

I do not know. There's much that hasn't been revealed. MADem Oct 2015 #47

There is no news reporting that substantiates your assertion. procon Oct 2015 #42

i read a post that Obama himself knew it was going on and told them to keep bombing.... spanone Oct 2015 #53

And does that sound even remotely logical anywhere other than a wingnut forum? nt procon Oct 2015 #56

Yes, absolutely it was targeted on purpose. FuzzyRabbit Oct 2015 #9

When you find proof of that, please post it. nt MADem Oct 2015 #12

I know how the our modern bombs work. FuzzyRabbit Oct 2015 #15

You are making a vast number of assumptions without offering any proof. MADem Oct 2015 #18

i think you are reddread Oct 2015 #20

The idea that the coordinates are programmed into the bomb is not always operative. MADem Oct 2015 #27

killing journalists, bombing al jazeera, striking hospitals, its all good. reddread Oct 2015 #28

If you think target error went away with GPS... EX500rider Oct 2015 #23

"very precisely hit" reddread Oct 2015 #25

"very precisely hit" How exactly is that determined? EX500rider Oct 2015 #77

Thank you for that elucidation. MADem Oct 2015 #39

War crimes are business as usual for the USA. roody Oct 2015 #68

Why would I encourage your thread derailment? MADem Oct 2015 #70

Gun nut rationalization trumad Oct 2015 #13

This. (nt) Control-Z Oct 2015 #16

not at all reddread Oct 2015 #17

Nailed it... SidDithers Oct 2015 #22

Well said! hrmjustin Oct 2015 #24

Your jury decision Generic Other Oct 2015 #30

+1. N/t obnoxiousdrunk Oct 2015 #73

+1 uponit7771 Oct 2015 #78

Depending on the culprit, motive, location, method & number hurt, the accountability is different. ancianita Oct 2015 #26

In a campus shooting, the shooters are called terrorists. rug Oct 2015 #29

Who is calling the doctors, nurses and patients terrorists? Its MSF, for goodness sake. MADem Oct 2015 #40

Not me. I didn't have a need for a DoD investigation before condemning it. rug Oct 2015 #49

Well, I don't think ANYONE is happy about this--that pilot is probably suicidal. nt MADem Oct 2015 #51

No, condlences were expressed, but not condemnations. rug Oct 2015 #52

Investigations are par for the course. If you have any sort of "incident" in flight, there's an MADem Oct 2015 #55

Mass murder is mass murder. cwydro Oct 2015 #32

Precisely FlatBaroque Oct 2015 #33

and paid for by the taxpayers and victims reddread Oct 2015 #34

The hospital bombers get medals. WinkyDink Oct 2015 #35

Really? If you have to ask, your problems are deeper than you've mentioned. procon Oct 2015 #36

From a black and white... deathrind Oct 2015 #44

They're both accountable but not necessarily deliberate lunatica Oct 2015 #50

Yeah. If the campus shooter had lived and been captured he'd have been prosecuted. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2015 #54

the corpses are not likely interested in the fine points of the discussion nt msongs Oct 2015 #57

There won't be closure of any kind with the hospital mass-murder. cpwm17 Oct 2015 #58

The latter begets the former. CanadaexPat Oct 2015 #60

Sure, one goes BOOM and the other goes POW POW POW! Guess which is which. Rex Oct 2015 #61

A similarity. They both came from our violent culture. roody Oct 2015 #67

The biggest difference is that no one is outraged by the hospital bombing. Nt Logical Oct 2015 #75

I'll try. The number of people and factors involved, and the intention. uppityperson Oct 2015 #76

Is there any difference between a car accident and genocide? Democat Oct 2015 #79

With a campus shooting Flying Squirrel Oct 2015 #81

Not to the dead, there isn't. Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #82

Kick demmiblue Oct 2015 #83