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Adrahil

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81. Yes.

Sun Oct 4, 2015, 09:47 PM

Oct 2015

You must be 18 to buy a gun (21 for handguns in some jurisdictions)

You must be able to pass a background check if you buy a gun from a dealer (I think background checks should be extended to all sales, including private sales).

A gun dealer can be held legally liable for selling a gun to ineligible persons. And yes, that does happen. A local shop was busted by the BATFE and the owner prosecuted for knowingly selling guns to ineligible persons and falsifying the records.

In my state, you must have a firearms permit to carry a gun outside your own, or place of business. Even if you only go to the range, you must have a permit.

There are many more rules regarding guns. I'm not saying we couldn't use some more, but the idea that guns are unregulated is incorrect.

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The US needs to ban alcohol sales [View all] Travis_0004 Oct 2015 OP

if you're trying to compare this to guns Skittles Oct 2015 #1

Why is it a fail? GGJohn Oct 2015 #5

Post removed Post removed Oct 2015 #23

LOL. GGJohn Oct 2015 #28

Because it's nothing more than gun nut dipshittery Major Nikon Oct 2015 #52

Please address the actual issue. Adrahil Oct 2015 #80

Jebus H. Christ on a pogo-stick Major Nikon Oct 2015 #83

True but we have common sense laws to keep Alcohol out of the hands of those.... . CajunBlazer Oct 2015 #129

Good post. GGJohn Oct 2015 #130

You never heard of Prohibition? yuiyoshida Oct 2015 #147

Thank you for that. GGJohn Oct 2015 #148

I didnt say anything about guns Travis_0004 Oct 2015 #8

of course not Skittles Oct 2015 #9

You still havent answered the question Travis_0004 Oct 2015 #41

WHO is talking about banning guns? Skittles Oct 2015 #42

Who? former9thward Oct 2015 #75

Here's A Question For You ProfessorGAC Oct 2015 #64

Need a background check to buy booze? hack89 Oct 2015 #79

Perfect! ProfessorGAC Oct 2015 #89

You implied that alcohol is regulated much more than guns hack89 Oct 2015 #91

Asserted without evidence. beevul Oct 2015 #90

your argument is ridiculous. Seriously ridiculous. bowens43 Oct 2015 #101

We tried that once here SoCalNative Oct 2015 #51

The same would happen banning guns. HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #76

Because it's a fucking bullshit argument alarimer Oct 2015 #85

Incorrect. HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #87

It's on their blood-stained 90's-era faxed sheet of NRA "talking points" they're still working with villager Oct 2015 #12

I know Skittles Oct 2015 #14

Says it's "not about guns" jen63 Oct 2015 #110

We tried that already - Prohibition honeylady Oct 2015 #70

Might as well restrict access to your gunz, and ban your toting, first. Hoyt Oct 2015 #2

Why does that have to be first? eom. GGJohn Oct 2015 #7

Why not? Besides, if you gun fanciers were so "reponsible," as you claim, you'd voluntarily take Hoyt Oct 2015 #49

would you support a ban on both? Travis_0004 Oct 2015 #16

who is talking about banning guns? Skittles Oct 2015 #20

There are plenty here who are suggesting just such a ban. eom. GGJohn Oct 2015 #30

Not really, a gun or two at home is fine with me. Your 4 gun safes full of guns and ammo Hoyt Oct 2015 #50

I know, if that alone isn't enough to suggest that most of them are unbalanced. smirkymonkey Oct 2015 #68

it is pathetic Skittles Oct 2015 #72

Lets keep the alcohol and ban cars. BlueJazz Oct 2015 #3

I like that idea Egnever Oct 2015 #22

+1. nt bemildred Oct 2015 #27

Right on! cheapdate Oct 2015 #29

+1 Cheese Sandwich Oct 2015 #109

Srsly? irisblue Oct 2015 #4

Why? GGJohn Oct 2015 #10

red herring fallacy in OP irisblue Oct 2015 #43

Fair enough. GGJohn Oct 2015 #47

Why? jack_krass Oct 2015 #24

another live one Skittles Oct 2015 #26

Ad hominem irisblue Oct 2015 #44

We tried that once...remember Prohibition? It failed. n/t CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2015 #6

maybe we could try again Travis_0004 Oct 2015 #13

SEE? Skittles Oct 2015 #17

they will happen lancer78 Oct 2015 #139

yet another NRA talking point Skittles Oct 2015 #140

Here is a link to the deadlest school massacre, Bath School Disaster..1927 Stuart G Oct 2015 #149

I know people will find a way--Even I would! CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2015 #31

I know I would. Kath1 Oct 2015 #54

You're right CalifornisPeggy, GGJohn Oct 2015 #15

Prohibition works so well. Downwinder Oct 2015 #11

There is fairly strong regulation. Peoople are still very stupid. graegoyle Oct 2015 #18

Yes. Adrahil Oct 2015 #81

I would support booze being treated like tobacco. bemildred Oct 2015 #19

And now that I think about it, I think that would be excellent for guns too: no marketing. bemildred Oct 2015 #25

I like that Idea as well Egnever Oct 2015 #32

Thank you. bemildred Oct 2015 #37

We should ban guns first. geomon666 Oct 2015 #21

Or you could ban alcohol first and have NO drunken fights! nt kelly1mm Oct 2015 #35

There's nothing wrong with a good drunken fight. geomon666 Oct 2015 #36

Fights are not the problem Travis_0004 Oct 2015 #38

Yes the DUI deaths are a problem geomon666 Oct 2015 #40

Really? Straw Man Oct 2015 #56

I'm sorry to hear that. geomon666 Oct 2015 #59

More people are killed by unarmed assailants than one's armed with SS/semi rifles. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #92

Probably, I wouldn't know. geomon666 Oct 2015 #118

That's why, in addition to sports, they're used for hunting and self-defense. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #120

Of course geomon666 Oct 2015 #121

For thousands of years the world was ruled by the physically superior. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #135

I don't see a distinction between who ruled then and who rules now. geomon666 Oct 2015 #138

Just because you don't (want to) see it doesn't mean it isn't there. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #143

What does that have to do with guns today? geomon666 Oct 2015 #144

The problem isn't peaceable people but that's all grabbers fixate upon. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #145

There are other legitimate forms of self defense. geomon666 Oct 2015 #146

1) While true, there are other legitimate forms of defense Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #150

I don't think anyone here is seriously considering geomon666 Oct 2015 #157

Is it the deaths, period, regardless of method or does only the method matter? Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #158

I'm not sure what you're trying to ask me. geomon666 Oct 2015 #160

What if they died in a car accident after being hit by a drunk? Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #161

Ok? Again I'm not sure what you're asking me. geomon666 Oct 2015 #162

I'm curious to know Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #163

Someone asked me that before. geomon666 Oct 2015 #164

You don't get to say, "I'd give that up so everyone else has to as well." That's not how Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #165

So you're saying all gun control is bad? geomon666 Oct 2015 #170

Because a few deaths at a time are not as bad as many at one time. uppityperson Oct 2015 #33

Wow!!! GGJohn Oct 2015 #48

"Because a few deaths at a time are not as bad as many at one time." Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #94

I hope you realize that what I meant is that is how it is perceived by too many, including uppityperson Oct 2015 #106

Fair 'nuff. As I noted in my post, the latter part of your post was spot on. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #115

Saves Social Security a bunch of money madville Oct 2015 #34

That is just trading OA for SDI. Downwinder Oct 2015 #39

Stupid analogy laundry_queen Oct 2015 #45

Yes, because alcohol is designed to kill, and when used correctly, it kills. Iggo Oct 2015 #46

Guns have a practical purpose, recreational drinking does not. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #96

That's wonderful news. Iggo Oct 2015 #102

It's only news to the willfully ignorant and no one has yet to show how the analogy fails. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #114

So your problem isn't the deaths, it's the product? n/t hughee99 Oct 2015 #123

Tried that already, didn't work. Initech Oct 2015 #53

Did you not learn about Prohibition in school? ladyVet Oct 2015 #55

Alcohol is already more regulated than firearms. Equalizing the two would be fine with me. nomorenomore08 Oct 2015 #57

Firearms are the most heavely regulated consumer product in the US. oneshooter Oct 2015 #69

Assuming the OP is intended as a gun analogy Depaysement Oct 2015 #58

And when alcohol and guns are mixed, the outcome is also just horrible. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #60

People go to jail and lose their license for DUI PowerToThePeople Oct 2015 #61

Let's go with that rufus dog Oct 2015 #88

"that definition can be clarified" Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #100

The US needs to legalize "Liquor Shows". ret5hd Oct 2015 #62

obvious bad analogy is obvious Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #63

Obviously Major Nikon Oct 2015 #99

Alcohol is highly regulated. I assume you Warren Stupidity Oct 2015 #65

These worn-out, inane, deflection maneuvers aren't working any more. Paladin Oct 2015 #66

How is the analogy not apt? Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #97

We don't need analogies. We need solutions. (nt) Paladin Oct 2015 #103

Agreed. What's yours? cleanhippie Oct 2015 #108

In other words it's an apt analogy and so is the futility of gun prohibition as a solution. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #113

Next thing it will be is outlawing marijuana. B Calm Oct 2015 #67

Stop comparing apples to sheep. GoneOffShore Oct 2015 #71

Can alcohol be used to commit mass murder? nt LostOne4Ever Oct 2015 #73

Over-consumption of alcohol kills 4300 underaged drinkers every year. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #98

Reading comprehension is key: "commit" truebluegreen Oct 2015 #104

The only distinction you're drawing is: Who is acting upon whom. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #112

How many times has someone killed 10+people by simply bring a bottle of wine into a room w/ them? LostOne4Ever Oct 2015 #127

You can't kill people by simply bringing a gun into a room. It requires an act of will. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #134

But can you kill ten people with that bottle of wine? Doubt it. Darb Oct 2015 #152

Drunk drivers can kill multiple people in a single accident and Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #155

Not more people on purpose. Darb Oct 2015 #156

You think you can abrogate rights of the innocent based on the motives of bad actors? Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #159

Actually yes nt JonathanRackham Oct 2015 #132

I love how the guy's dad pissed off gun humpers with his comment! Rex Oct 2015 #74

Analogy fail... n/t backscatter712 Oct 2015 #77

Once the legal banning of legal intoxicant starts, governmental banning becomes structural. ancianita Oct 2015 #78

It's not about the deaths. It's about the gunz. nt hack89 Oct 2015 #82

Prohibition led to organized crime and lots and lots of deaths due to poisoning. alarimer Oct 2015 #84

Yet alochol kills 3 times the amount of people as guns Travis_0004 Oct 2015 #105

Depends who you ask, and there is some Venn diagram overlap Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2015 #169

The extent at which Prohibitionists were willing to impose their moral crusade -- Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #116

Really? rbrnmw Oct 2015 #86

Been there, done that, KamaAina Oct 2015 #93

Nah, they tried that. cwydro Oct 2015 #95

Nobody can actually explain what is wrong with this analogy LittleBlue Oct 2015 #107

but.. GUN OUTRAGE !!!!!! Bonx Oct 2015 #111

Marijuana is prohibited in Texas. Can't find ANY!! Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #117

It is a version of this, LittleBlue. beevul Oct 2015 #119

I can, it's easy for sane people, gun fetishists, not so much. Darb Oct 2015 #154

This is really dumb. rockfordfile Oct 2015 #122

I think you have dumbcat Oct 2015 #124

How folks drink that bitter crap is beyond me. ileus Oct 2015 #125

the NRA tells them it TASTES GOOD Skittles Oct 2015 #141

Prohibition Runningdawg Oct 2015 #126

People die everyday. Why is everyone so concerned with how? WDIM Oct 2015 #128

Conceptions JonathanRackham Oct 2015 #131

Because we want booze so we will accept deaths related to it, but we don't want guns so we won' Township75 Oct 2015 #133

How'd it work out the last time the US did that? nt Zorra Oct 2015 #136

This post doesn't even rise the the level of "pathetic". hatrack Oct 2015 #137

We have evidence for this. Nevernose Oct 2015 #142

Did you read the CDC's report on the underlying causes of gun violence? Orrex Oct 2015 #151

From the CDC -- Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #166

You must be new at this. It's bathtubs. n/t kcr Oct 2015 #153

But, but , but... people on DU love alcohol Taitertots Oct 2015 #167

We tried that. It led to a serious gun problem. Then congress banned automatic weapons. Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2015 #168