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gwheezie

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34. I can't support that.

Sun Oct 4, 2015, 11:56 PM

Oct 2015

I can support more psych services. I support outpatient commitments. I support therapuetuc facilities for long term care. I support housing for the homeless mentally ill. I support of return to halfway house. I support longer lengths if stay for treatment. You get 5_7 days for a psychotic break
I do not want to give LE more authority over citizens. I prefer more crisis workers in the field to work with LE to assist the appropriate placement or referral for someone in crisis. I support local laws that demand addicts lose their benefits and housing be abolished. I support increased services for children and adolescents that keep them in the community and not detention centers.
I do psych evals, it is a very serious thing to deny someone their rights.

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OK, who else is sick of the demonization of the mentally ill following shootings? [View all] backscatter712 Oct 2015 OP

By definition, a person who is capable and willing to shoot up a classroom... TipTok Oct 2015 #1

but that is a completely different case from the typical mental healthcare patient paulkienitz Oct 2015 #47

That's a good example of the classic strawman and the subtle dissembling shift from HereSince1628 Oct 2015 #63

No one with "their ducks in a row" loves guns. hunter Oct 2015 #72

Your post was alerted. MADem Oct 2015 #100

Every time this happens it is the same story...someone pipoman Oct 2015 #2

And yet you seem to want to ignore the correlation of easy access to firearms Crunchy Frog Oct 2015 #5

No, I recognize the reality of it... pipoman Oct 2015 #10

People would still have the desire. Just not the means. Crunchy Frog Oct 2015 #14

It's not my work, it is constitutionally protected right with pipoman Oct 2015 #19

"The mentally ill" is a rather sweeping category Crunchy Frog Oct 2015 #23

If they're peaceful and harmless they probably don't want guns anyway... pipoman Oct 2015 #26

Maybe they want a gun for the same reasons you do. Crunchy Frog Oct 2015 #29

Violent people can't legally buy guns if they have a conviction pipoman Oct 2015 #32

...assuming the conviction gets in the NCIS database. backscatter712 Oct 2015 #43

No, it's a recent rogue SCOTUS decision. backscatter712 Oct 2015 #36

Agree there gwheezie Oct 2015 #39

the deadliest lancer78 Oct 2015 #52

So are you proposing that guns should be banned altogether TeddyR Oct 2015 #101

Neither. Crunchy Frog Oct 2015 #103

Should we ignore the correlation between gwheezie Oct 2015 #9

That isn't happening or likely, ignoring the mentally ill will not be acceptable pipoman Oct 2015 #13

+1 stage left Oct 2015 #35

+1000 kairos12 Oct 2015 #91

I demonize those who manufacture, sell, and lobby for guns. onehandle Oct 2015 #3

I find that ridiculous TeddyR Oct 2015 #102

It's personal for me too, and I'm sick of it as well. Crunchy Frog Oct 2015 #4

Wouldn't you rather be turned down for guns knowing it helps yeoman6987 Oct 2015 #54

Now why don't you ask that question of the gun fanciers on DU? Crunchy Frog Oct 2015 #59

Well there you go. yeoman6987 Oct 2015 #66

I see more a minimization and/or trivializing of the seriousness of mental illness. egduj Oct 2015 #6

No, it's just that some of us don't like the stigmatization Crunchy Frog Oct 2015 #16

It's not all about you. Should religious extremism not be condemned snagglepuss Oct 2015 #61

Wrong thread and wrong post. Crunchy Frog Oct 2015 #64

I'm horrified by some suggestions gwheezie Oct 2015 #7

Now why shouldn't people with diagnosed mental illness pipoman Oct 2015 #15

You really want to deter people from seeking assistance with mental health issues? Crunchy Frog Oct 2015 #18

A return to state facilities funded by feds pipoman Oct 2015 #21

So you want to lock up millions of people Crunchy Frog Oct 2015 #27

I love the liberty lovers gwheezie Oct 2015 #40

I can't support that. gwheezie Oct 2015 #34

+1 nt Live and Learn Oct 2015 #41

Um, that should be modernized. backscatter712 Oct 2015 #37

How about we tell the NRA Fuck You and lock them up in a prison. Gun nutosis should be diagnosed whereisjustice Oct 2015 #49

That wouldn't amend the constitution.. pipoman Oct 2015 #70

Well, that and the ability to ban the CDC's research on particular health matters. LanternWaste Oct 2015 #92

It's odd the disparities in your prophetic absolutes. LanternWaste Oct 2015 #90

Oh please gwheezie Oct 2015 #20

Glad to see you get the point pipoman Oct 2015 #22

Oh dear I've gotten the point years ago gwheezie Oct 2015 #25

That is what I'm saying gwheezie Oct 2015 #24

The NICS already is supposed to include everyone who has been involuntary committed right now pipoman Oct 2015 #28

I understand that gwheezie Oct 2015 #38

yep pipoman Oct 2015 #42

Okay, you asked the question and I will answer from the jwirr Oct 2015 #75

That was a thoughtful response pipoman Oct 2015 #87

And on what you just said I agree. Just wanted you to know jwirr Oct 2015 #88

I believe we need to mandate accurate reporting of pipoman Oct 2015 #93

Where do YOU draw the line? jen63 Oct 2015 #84

I think the line shouldn't be drawn at mental illness at all. backscatter712 Oct 2015 #94

Here, you and the science agree. backscatter712 Oct 2015 #73

It wasn't a mentally ill person that committed that shooting. NuclearDem Oct 2015 #8

Totally agree and I want to add that in general the Mentally ill have more to fear from us LostOne4Ever Oct 2015 #11

I agree. I think if mental illness is going to be the main focus, pacalo Oct 2015 #12

Anyone with depressive disorder would hurt themselves first xfundy Oct 2015 #17

Sadly, that is not entirely true. TM99 Oct 2015 #53

Well... John Holmes did live on, so did Dylan Roof (sp?), so did Nidal Hasan HereSince1628 Oct 2015 #69

I'm totally sick of it. stage left Oct 2015 #30

BTW, you might enjoy this podcast randys1 Oct 2015 #79

Thanks, randys1 stage left Oct 2015 #97

K&R me b zola Oct 2015 #86

I think it's the guns libodem Oct 2015 #31

I'm sick of the guns. Iggo Oct 2015 #33

I don't see demonization KT2000 Oct 2015 #44

Yep. I've said it before, I'll say it again: TygrBright Oct 2015 #45

I read your link and I've got one word for it: stage left Oct 2015 #99

Mass killings are commited by people with guns. I think that is 100% causal relationship. whereisjustice Oct 2015 #46

Like Andreas Lubitz? Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #67

The stigma is definitely real. KyleMcShades Oct 2015 #48

I submit since the NRA cares so much about mental health, they should be the first ones to be whereisjustice Oct 2015 #50

Good one...and true randys1 Oct 2015 #80

There are far too many people taking medication for depression to use them as scapegoats.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #51

Mental Healthcare in the US needs an overhaul clayton72 Oct 2015 #55

This particular notion has been so successfully put out by the right that the NRA Vinca Oct 2015 #56

Unless you're mentalling ill and trying to purchase a myriad of firearms to go and kill btrflykng9 Oct 2015 #57

anything but the fucking gunz. Warren Stupidity Oct 2015 #58

I think it is a subject that needs to be addressed Marrah_G Oct 2015 #60

Hey, being demonized is the first step toward political power, in the US LGBT people are demonized Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #62

Mental illness exists everywhere, in every country. frustrated_lefty Oct 2015 #65

The single biggest factor is easy access to firearms for everyone. alarimer Oct 2015 #68

I don't think they are demonized treestar Oct 2015 #71

K&R I think the problem is that when people use this term jwirr Oct 2015 #74

Personally, I Demonize Congress/Reagan fredamae Oct 2015 #76

Don't confuse opinions about Big Pharma and its wares with opinions on the patient. WinkyDink Oct 2015 #77

Me. nt kelliekat44 Oct 2015 #78

The mental illness is a society that has more guns than people. randys1 Oct 2015 #81

Yep. But anything to talk about other than the 300 million lethal portable hideable GUNS will do. Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #85

+1 nt stage left Oct 2015 #95

Me! Me! KamaAina Oct 2015 #82

Yup. zappaman Oct 2015 #83

Plenty of people here demonize all gun owners B2G Oct 2015 #89

Fox is a Crazy-Maker, that's way different than having a mental illness. Dont call me Shirley Oct 2015 #96

Saying that this particular mentally ill person shouldn't have had access to guns pnwmom Oct 2015 #98