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MillennialDem

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134. I agree there will be a "run on the gun stores" if there is an impending ban or even just general

Mon Oct 5, 2015, 12:08 AM

Oct 2015

fear mongering about Obama going to come take guns - but really is there going to be a huge black market for this? If guns are illegal, a gun is probably going to cost $2,500 (or more) for even the most basic models. That's going to price a lot of people out of the market, and the price of ammo is going to skyrocket too.

Even aside from increased costs in such a scenario, I just don't see people going down to the speakeasy to buy guns. Like I said I see them just grumbling about it.

come to think of it, I should probably hoard some guns and ammo myself the day Bernie or Hillary get elected and then sell them, it's a sure fire investment because the gun stores will get sold ou and if I keep the receipt I can always return them to Walmart or wherever if need be).

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Maybe We Could Make It Illegal To Sell Guns Anymore [View all] LuvNewcastle Oct 2015 OP

No, it wouldn't pass constitutional muster, GGJohn Oct 2015 #1

How so? LuvNewcastle Oct 2015 #3

Yes you would Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #6

The weapons aren't guaranteed, just the LuvNewcastle Oct 2015 #9

The right to own one is Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #12

If you stop the sales of firearms, you are violating GGJohn Oct 2015 #15

They could still buy one from an LuvNewcastle Oct 2015 #21

You can equivacate alll you want, GGJohn Oct 2015 #23

He is making tha same argument Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #22

I hadn't thought about that, GGJohn Oct 2015 #26

Where does "the people's right to acquire firearms" appear in the 2nd Amendment? Orrex Oct 2015 #81

You're missing the fact that it would be an unreasonable and unconstitutional restriction on GGJohn Oct 2015 #90

How so? Orrex Oct 2015 #92

And you couldn't buy a new firearm, which is an unreasonable restriction on the 2A, GGJohn Oct 2015 #93

How so? Where does the 2nd Amendment guarantee the right to buy or sell? Orrex Oct 2015 #96

The 2A guarantees an individual right to keep and bear arms, GGJohn Oct 2015 #98

You keep asserting that as if it's established fact. I would like to know your reasoning. Orrex Oct 2015 #101

Ok, if all sales were banned, GGJohn Oct 2015 #108

Well, you could manufacture them, as many as you'd like Orrex Oct 2015 #118

I see where you're coming from, and I suppose one could go that route. GGJohn Oct 2015 #120

Well, one thing's certain, we've been far too civil about this, so I'll leave with an insult: Orrex Oct 2015 #123

LOL. GGJohn Oct 2015 #129

Just to play devil's advocate, why would banning the sale of a product be unconstitutional, when MillennialDem Oct 2015 #110

From my reading of the OP's thread, he/she wants to stop all sales and manufacture of firearms. GGJohn Oct 2015 #113

I know, but that's not really what I asked. Just playing devil's advocate - what if guns were MillennialDem Oct 2015 #135

Good question. GGJohn Oct 2015 #137

At a minimum, to pass constitutional muster, the question must be asked branford Oct 2015 #138

If it was that simple it would have been tried long ago. [nt] Ichigo Kurosaki Oct 2015 #133

You could always make your own gun. So not selling them would not keep you from bearing one. nt kelliekat44 Oct 2015 #144

That's a possibility, with the advent of 3D printers, GGJohn Oct 2015 #147

Let's give it a try. Let's have Clinton sanders and O'Malley propose this yeoman6987 Oct 2015 #64

How about making the production of bullets illegal? Union Label Oct 2015 #142

That's a no go. GGJohn Oct 2015 #146

Prohibition worked well for alchohol and drugs... HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #2

I thought about that. LuvNewcastle Oct 2015 #5

The black market and Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #8

I think the ATF could be expanded LuvNewcastle Oct 2015 #11

Yes that works so well for drugs. Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #13

There are things that could be tweaked LuvNewcastle Oct 2015 #18

Nope Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #19

And you guys have been telling us you are law-abiding. Hoyt Oct 2015 #17

Just as much as you are Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #20

Nope, you remember me trying to make a point to gunners trying to rationalize killing people Hoyt Oct 2015 #36

I never said that so please Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #38

We are law abiding, I've never been convicted of any crime, never been arrested, GGJohn Oct 2015 #31

As long as you can keep accumulating more guns. Hoyt Oct 2015 #37

I assume me, GGJohn and everybody in this thread. would not be smuggling in guns Travis_0004 Oct 2015 #51

Local gang members aren't interested in shooting you, quit using that as a rationale to arm up. Hoyt Oct 2015 #56

Well said Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #57

That's right, as long as I remain a law abiding citizen, GGJohn Oct 2015 #58

Same here Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #40

Do you really think people are going to buy guns like they bought booze? MillennialDem Oct 2015 #107

Oregon shooter's mother reportedly... HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #116

Higher prices could be a barrier to a lot of mass shooters though. Not to mention the act of possess MillennialDem Oct 2015 #117

Gun sales spike at mention of gun-banning. HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #119

I agree there will be a "run on the gun stores" if there is an impending ban or even just general MillennialDem Oct 2015 #134

Not all guns will be $2500. HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #136

See reloading Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #126

Be kind of rough for new shooters to get in the market. ileus Oct 2015 #4

That's the point. LuvNewcastle Oct 2015 #7

So you would violate Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #10

They still have the right to get one. LuvNewcastle Oct 2015 #14

Interesting Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #16

I don't think guns and abortion have much LuvNewcastle Oct 2015 #25

And except your argument is the same as the Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #32

Guns and abortion go hand in hand with fundies. It is the cycle of stupid. Rex Oct 2015 #34

How many more arsenals do we need? LuvNewcastle Oct 2015 #46

I do not plan on any more Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #60

Well nobody is leaving in droves so the prevention in Finland is wrong yeoman6987 Oct 2015 #69

Hey, it's cold there. LuvNewcastle Oct 2015 #76

Kind of sounds like the same argument the Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #85

I have been there once. It's nice for sure. That was 5 years ago. yeoman6987 Oct 2015 #112

Do you know what the word "infringed" means? pipoman Oct 2015 #65

It means "bothered," basically. LuvNewcastle Oct 2015 #78

No it can't be made successfully pipoman Oct 2015 #80

Little things like that do not matter Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #87

Gun makers as manufacturers existed before the Constitution and statehoods. It won't happen. ancianita Oct 2015 #24

Yep Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #27

Maybe you're right. LuvNewcastle Oct 2015 #28

Gun manufacturing was status quo before the founding of the country. AND the two biggest ancianita Oct 2015 #33

Fear of gun-banning sells more guns. HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #29

Notice how people freak out over that!? Rex Oct 2015 #30

Gee, I never "jizzed" when I blew shit up while I was in the Army. GGJohn Oct 2015 #35

Yeah me either. Rex Oct 2015 #39

Probably as we are called Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #42

Well you can self-identify with my words and make yourselves seem credible Rex Oct 2015 #44

Why do you label people? GGJohn Oct 2015 #48

Because not everyone that owns a gun is a hunter, did you not know this? Rex Oct 2015 #49

I try not to label people, although on occasion, I do, to my chagrin. GGJohn Oct 2015 #54

Do you worship the culture of death? Rex Oct 2015 #63

Your definition is quite different than Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #67

SO what? Is that my fault? Rex Oct 2015 #70

Of course not Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #82

Same here Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #41

Yep. GGJohn Oct 2015 #50

I would be now with some of the Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #62

I know. LuvNewcastle Oct 2015 #43

Ultimately you are trying to have a rational argument with irrational people. Rex Oct 2015 #45

I think a lot of them are basically anarchists. LuvNewcastle Oct 2015 #52

I agree and I think they mask that with claiming to be libertarians. Rex Oct 2015 #55

By refusal to seek facts most who want gun control pipoman Oct 2015 #71

Wrong. Rex Oct 2015 #72

Nope...the gun lobby told congressional and senate judiciary committees pipoman Oct 2015 #77

The right kind of gun culture should prevail. Look at societies that have per capita the same ancianita Oct 2015 #53

Well most of mine are Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #66

Each state even has its own official "state firearm." Try rescinding the 2A through the states ancianita Oct 2015 #47

.... pipoman Oct 2015 #59

How many firearms you believe the country or any individual "needs" branford Oct 2015 #61

The question is really how many guns are LuvNewcastle Oct 2015 #68

Again, the number of guns in circulation is constitutionally irrelevant. branford Oct 2015 #73

Okay, then. We've got to start somewhere. LuvNewcastle Oct 2015 #79

Registration is a must should be stated on the back of drivers liscense Jim Beard Oct 2015 #74

That's a very good idea. LuvNewcastle Oct 2015 #84

So you want them to leave a weapon Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #91

Lock the car. LuvNewcastle Oct 2015 #94

Because locked cars have never been broken into or stolen right? eom. GGJohn Oct 2015 #99

I know, right Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #104

The illogic of otherwise intelligent people here is mind blowing, GGJohn Oct 2015 #111

And I am sure ther are and very nice people Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #114

No, I am not Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #100

I'm not going to argue with you about LuvNewcastle Oct 2015 #106

I do not agree with open carry Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #109

Did you know that criminals are exempt from registration- because of the 5th Lee-Lee Oct 2015 #145

No, just tax the shit out of guns and ammunition. alarimer Oct 2015 #75

That would be just fine with me. LuvNewcastle Oct 2015 #86

The courts would strike that down as unconstitutional, GGJohn Oct 2015 #88

I have heard that mentioned before. Any mention would cause a stamped to the gun stores. Jim Beard Oct 2015 #89

Discouraging the hoarding of ammunition branford Oct 2015 #122

How do you shorten the shelf life of bullets? Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #127

How do you propose such a law on the sale of guns be passed in congress? Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #83

They're all bought by the gun lobby, too. LuvNewcastle Oct 2015 #97

I don't actually believe all politicians are bought by the gun lobby. Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #102

Alcohol prohibition didin't work, marijuana prohibition didn't work... Initech Oct 2015 #95

I'm not talking about prohibition. LuvNewcastle Oct 2015 #103

But preventing sales is exactly prohibition, is it not? Initech Oct 2015 #105

Since it wouldn't affect the 300 million guns LuvNewcastle Oct 2015 #115

The Constitution was specifically designed so that our government branford Oct 2015 #125

It's laughable that people compare newspapers LuvNewcastle Oct 2015 #132

You're going to get a bunch of gun nuts showing up pretending... onehandle Oct 2015 #121

That's right. LuvNewcastle Oct 2015 #124

You mean the same one that gave us gay marriage Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #128

Facts and laws Hydra Oct 2015 #130

Sad nt Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #131

The Democratic Party Platform specifically states that the 2nd amendment is an individual right kelly1mm Oct 2015 #139

I haven't called anyone a gun nut in this thread. LuvNewcastle Oct 2015 #140

Exactly, there was no private firearm ownership before that ruling. ileus Oct 2015 #141

And maybe the pigs and I will fly tomorrow. WinkyDink Oct 2015 #143