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still_one

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7. The bogus argument that we hear is that longer waiting periods, background checks, etc. wouldn't
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 10:04 AM
Oct 2015

stop the gun deaths. Those against any form of gun control are incorrectly, and intentionally reframing the argument. The point isn't that it would completely stop all gun deaths, but that it would reduce them. Making it illegal to drive an automobile if intoxicated, doesn't eliminate drunk driving deaths, but it does reduce them. There are all kinds of examples. Taking blood pressure medicine doesn't mean you won't get a heart attack or stroke, but it removes a risk live that improve your odds.

There is a direct correlation with the liberalizing of gun laws, and increased gun deaths. There are some who say the facts don't substantiate that argument, however, the facts say just the opposite. In fact Congress went out of their way to extend a ban on CDC research on gun violence:

"Dr. Fred Rivara, a professor of Pediatrics and Epidemiology at the University of Washington at Seattle Children's Hospital, has been involved with injury research for 30 years. He was part of a team that researched gun violence back in the 1990s and personally saw the chilling effects of the NRA’s lobbying arm. Rivara says that the NRA accused the CDC of trying to use science to promote gun control.

“As a result of that, many, many people stopped doing gun research, [and] the number of publications on firearm violence decreased dramatically," he told The Takeaway in April. "It was really chilling in terms of our ability to conduct research on this very important problem.”

In 2013, some 34,000 Americans died from gunshot wounds. So Takeaway Washington Correspondent Todd Zwillich decided to ask House Speaker John Boehner why his party is trying to block research on gun violence.

“The CDC is there to look at diseases that need to be dealt with to protect public health,” Boehner said at a press conference last week. “I’m sorry, but a gun is not a disease. Guns don’t kill people — people do. And when people use weapons in a horrible way, we should condemn the actions of the individual and not blame the action on some weapon.”

But does the CDC research blame the public health issue of gun violence on the weapons themselves?

“The original concern from the National Rifle Association back in 1996, which Dr. Rivara mentioned, made that very implication,” says Zwillich. “The NRA complained to Congress that the CDC was using the results of its research to essentially advocate for gun control. They called it propaganda. And back at that time, Congress slashed the CDC’s funding by the exact amount that was used for gun-related public health research.”

Rivara and his team discovered that having a gun in the home is associated with a threefold increase in the risk of a homicide — they released this information in a series of peer-reviewed articles that appeared in the New England Journal of Medicine. The CDC both funded Rivara’s original research and stood by the findings.

But after Congress seemingly retaliated against the CDC for publishing Rivara’s findings, Zwillich says researchers with the agency have shied away from conducting gun research.

“There is other research that goes on at the CDC that does have to do with guns,” says Zwillich. “There is a National Violent Death Reporting System, which does record the causes of all violent deaths, including in domestic abuse, youth violence, and child abuse. If a gun is the cause, that’s recorded — it’s not like they ignore it entirely. But gun deaths and gun injuries as a public health issue, as Rivara said, are still basically anathema to CDC researchers and anyone who gets CDC funding, which is potentially millions of dollar"

http://www.pri.org/stories/2015-07-02/quietly-congress-extends-ban-cdc-research-gun-violence

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I noticed you said, "you can't shoot anyone", and not pipoman Oct 2015 #1
From the 'Bring a Horse to Water' school of opinion.... daleanime Oct 2015 #6
No it is dispelling faulty thinking and painfully flawed logic.... pipoman Oct 2015 #10
Yep. Daleanime did a great job of pointing out the flaw n/t kcr Oct 2015 #12
Only if you haven't a clue what you're talking about... pipoman Oct 2015 #13
Disagreeing with pipoman equals not knowing what one is talking about? kcr Oct 2015 #14
No, not knowing what one is talking about is demonstrated by what one says.. pipoman Oct 2015 #15
Pipoman knows all n/t kcr Oct 2015 #16
lol pipoman Oct 2015 #17
Yes, I tried to.... daleanime Oct 2015 #21
Guns are neither good nor bad, GGJohn Oct 2015 #19
Guns are a tool, tools are made for a purpose..... daleanime Oct 2015 #20
Wrong, GGJohn Oct 2015 #23
Got it, discussion with you is pointless.... daleanime Oct 2015 #24
No delusions on my part. GGJohn Oct 2015 #25
I look forward to your heartfelt defense of blowguns. (Nt) Heidi Oct 2015 #28
Huh? GGJohn Oct 2015 #31
Do you think if the Sandy Hook shooter didn't have access to guns justiceischeap Oct 2015 #37
Discussion means people stating ideas, others critiquing pipoman Oct 2015 #38
You don't care. Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #2
You can still use a car, a pressure cooker, your oven if you live in an apartment complex KittyWampus Oct 2015 #3
When the total of all intentional deaths by cars, pressure cookers, and planes flamin lib Oct 2015 #18
And yet it isn't. beevul Oct 2015 #27
But you can't shoot people. nt kelliekat44 Oct 2015 #30
We know sarisataka Oct 2015 #4
And we know jack_krass Oct 2015 #40
There are hundreds of millions of guns in this country, you just going to drive around snooper2 Oct 2015 #5
The bogus argument that we hear is that longer waiting periods, background checks, etc. wouldn't still_one Oct 2015 #7
"I don't care how insane, crazy, sociopathic, anti-social you are." Brickbat Oct 2015 #8
can we have some critical thinking here? Skittles Oct 2015 #32
I disagree. There's a lot that goes into our nation's version of gun violence, and understanding Brickbat Oct 2015 #33
it is fine to disagree with that assessment Skittles Oct 2015 #34
Then I'd be interested to know what the OP thinks should be done about the dangerously mentally ill Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #36
I don't care how big an addict you are, if we ban heroin you won't be able to overdose Lee-Lee Oct 2015 #9
Even in London a gun can be had within the hour One_Life_To_Give Oct 2015 #11
Methamphetamine is banned Codeine Oct 2015 #22
Axe-wielding man attacks pedestrians, shot by police. HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #26
And if you can't shoot anyone loyalsister Oct 2015 #29
If you don't have access to a commercial airliner cockpit you can't kill 150 people. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #35
That is why I own one. Throd Oct 2015 #39
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