Welcome to DU!
The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards.
Join the community:
Create a free account
Support DU (and get rid of ads!):
Become a Star Member
Latest Breaking News
Editorials & Other Articles
General Discussion
The DU Lounge
All Forums
Issue Forums
Culture Forums
Alliance Forums
Region Forums
Support Forums
Help & Search
General Discussion
In reply to the discussion: “Unspeakable”: An MSF Nurse Recounts the Attack on MSF’s Kunduz Hospital [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)87. Agree 100-percent. This is Year 13 in Afghanistan.
US repeatedly bombs hospital in Kunduz, Afghanistan
By Thomas Gaist
World Socialist Web Site, 5 October 2015
EXCERPT...
While US military officials have tried to excuse the atrocity against the MSF hospital as collateral damage resulting from the targeting of Taliban fighters allegedly occupying buildings that were part of the same compound as the medical center, both MSF staff members and other witnesses have reported that there was no fighting in the hospital compound.
It appears far more likely that the attacks were intentionally ordered by officers with the US-led force, in order to send the message that medical personnel suspected of giving treatment to anyone opposing the US military are acceptable collateral damage or even legitimate targets.
US authorities have been aware of the exact location of the facility for years, MSF operations chief Bart Janssens told Al Jazeera. The precise coordinates of the hospital were re-confirmed with US military representatives as recently as September 29, according to MSF spokesperson Vickie Hawkins.
It cannot be ruled out that the hospital was destroyed deliberately by officers emboldened by aggressive new rules of engagement laid out in the 1,000-plus page US Defense Department Law of War Manual (LOWM) released by the Pentagon earlier this year, which authorize US commanders to attack civilian infrastructure and populations based on their own calculations of military necessity.
Among countless sweeping authorizations for use of military force, the LOWM contains expanded authority for US commanders to attack targets despite the presence of human shields.
So broad are the LOWMs authorizations for Conduct of Hostilities that, even if it were conclusively shown that US commanders deliberately targeted the hospital, the US military could easily interpret the intentional destruction of the Kunduz hospital as legal, so long as the responsible commanders testify that they assessed the operations to be militarily necessary at the time.
CONTINUED...
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/10/05/afgh-o05.html
By Thomas Gaist
World Socialist Web Site, 5 October 2015
EXCERPT...
While US military officials have tried to excuse the atrocity against the MSF hospital as collateral damage resulting from the targeting of Taliban fighters allegedly occupying buildings that were part of the same compound as the medical center, both MSF staff members and other witnesses have reported that there was no fighting in the hospital compound.
It appears far more likely that the attacks were intentionally ordered by officers with the US-led force, in order to send the message that medical personnel suspected of giving treatment to anyone opposing the US military are acceptable collateral damage or even legitimate targets.
US authorities have been aware of the exact location of the facility for years, MSF operations chief Bart Janssens told Al Jazeera. The precise coordinates of the hospital were re-confirmed with US military representatives as recently as September 29, according to MSF spokesperson Vickie Hawkins.
It cannot be ruled out that the hospital was destroyed deliberately by officers emboldened by aggressive new rules of engagement laid out in the 1,000-plus page US Defense Department Law of War Manual (LOWM) released by the Pentagon earlier this year, which authorize US commanders to attack civilian infrastructure and populations based on their own calculations of military necessity.
Among countless sweeping authorizations for use of military force, the LOWM contains expanded authority for US commanders to attack targets despite the presence of human shields.
So broad are the LOWMs authorizations for Conduct of Hostilities that, even if it were conclusively shown that US commanders deliberately targeted the hospital, the US military could easily interpret the intentional destruction of the Kunduz hospital as legal, so long as the responsible commanders testify that they assessed the operations to be militarily necessary at the time.
CONTINUED...
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/10/05/afgh-o05.html
I think the officers thought they wouldn't get caught. And if they were found out, no one would hold them to account.
Edit history
Please sign in to view edit histories.
Recommendations
0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):
123 replies
= new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight:
NoneDon't highlight anything
5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
RecommendedHighlight replies with 5 or more recommendations
“Unspeakable”: An MSF Nurse Recounts the Attack on MSF’s Kunduz Hospital [View all]
Octafish
Oct 2015
OP
And we will have "an investigation" that leads nowhere, and keep on doing the same damned thing.
djean111
Oct 2015
#1
Right. Guess he has to, otherwise they'd have picked somebody else for the job.
Octafish
Oct 2015
#20
he might just be trying to explain the error. US military will not bomb in this situ unless there
uhnope
Oct 2015
#58
The asshats and emoticon brigade have soiled their Depends at the thought of peace.
Octafish
Oct 2015
#15
yeah, banning dissidents who ask inconvenient questions sounds like something you'd favor
uhnope
Oct 2015
#74
Remember when we bombed CNN? Their boss got fired for saying it looked on purpose.
Octafish
Oct 2015
#12
The US (North) was a heroic force of the people in the US Civil War. That's probably the
KingCharlemagne
Oct 2015
#122
But patients who were unable to escape burned to death as they lay in their beds.'
CrispyQ
Oct 2015
#8
BS. So now NATO, the US & Afghan forces are "terrorists" who want to bomb hospitals?
uhnope
Oct 2015
#66
This is someone who thinks a former US President helped organize another President's assassination
YoungDemCA
Oct 2015
#96
My neighbor's eyes got big as saucers when I mentioned the difference in warmaking effectiveness.
Octafish
Oct 2015
#55
A Limbaugh-esque reaction for sure - getting your underwear in a twist about
bullwinkle428
Oct 2015
#52
Please explain how this horrible mistake reflects on your view of the war against ISIS
uhnope
Oct 2015
#61
I'm not conflating. I'm asking if you think the US should not fight ISIS/Taliban. Simple question.
uhnope
Oct 2015
#73
LOL. Seems that you love the fact that this mistake makes the US military look bad.
uhnope
Oct 2015
#78
mistaken or intentional, it's clearly a crime against humanity to bomb a civilian hospital....
mike_c
Oct 2015
#81
Chronic war criminals are fearful people who feel they must prepare for the backlash from the
Dont call me Shirley
Oct 2015
#88
The Radically Changing Story of the U.S. Airstrike on Afghan Hospital: From Mistake to Justification
Octafish
Oct 2015
#90
It was GREENWALD who called out Bush and Cheney on ILLEGAL N.S.A. Spying back in 2007.
Octafish
Oct 2015
#100
Ask George HW Bush about that. He told the FBI he was in Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963.
Octafish
Oct 2015
#104
thank you for the info. Can you tell us about vaccines and whether children should be vaccinated?
uhnope
Oct 2015
#114