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renegade000

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91. DU makes my head spin sometimes...

Reply to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Tue Oct 6, 2015, 12:51 AM

Oct 2015

I remember back when the ISIS situation started there was a noticeable contingent here on DU that seemed very skeptical that ISIS and all the resulting crises weren't just some creation of US propaganda used to justify more militarism in the Middle East. "Why do we suddenly care about Yazidis? Who the hell are these people anyway?" Etc. Etc. There was a great bemoaning about how Obama was starting up the Iraq war again by bombing ISIS targets and sending over military advisers--what a warmonger! Why did we even vote for him, if not to extricate ourselves from Iraq? We should just accept the situation as a terrible consequence of our misguided interventionist policies.

Now that Russia is in on the action, well that's just great! Surely now this grave and serious problem will be solved with the appropriate use of extreme military intervention!

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The Russians Will Decimate ISIS. Russians Will Take No Prisoners. [View all] TheMastersNemesis Oct 2015 OP

But not until they've wiped out Assad's Enemies, first: bobalew Oct 2015 #1

The Russians will kill all the groups there that are not pro-Assad. Rex Oct 2015 #2

Yay for brutality! randome Oct 2015 #3

Brutal to ISIS isn't so bad 6chars Oct 2015 #18

Agree. randome Oct 2015 #24

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What the fuck is this shit? ellisonz Oct 2015 #28

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No, I believe that person is sick at your attempts to make a brutal dictator look cuddly stevenleser Oct 2015 #40

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Yes - I am glad that mess was cleaned up before my return. ellisonz Oct 2015 #78

Library Girl or Go West Young Man or Hannah Bell? nt geek tragedy Oct 2015 #44

Hannah Bell. NuclearDem Oct 2015 #50

And now his watch is ended. nt geek tragedy Oct 2015 #56

ISIS deserves whatever they get, from whoever can do it. CanonRay Oct 2015 #31

....x10+ 840high Oct 2015 #48

If Putin were really serious he'd drone the financial backers as well...nt Jesus Malverde Oct 2015 #61

We will follow them to the gates of hell. Jesus Malverde Oct 2015 #69

I agree. I just won't celebrate Putin's part in it. He's in this to restore the USSR. randome Oct 2015 #96

A group of terrorists NOLALady Oct 2015 #4

I agree they will be brutal, I disagree they will be particularly effective against ISIS. stevenleser Oct 2015 #5

Excellent point. cwydro Oct 2015 #7

The mujahideen were funded and trained by the west and gulf states killbotfactory Oct 2015 #15

Yes and no. Yes the west are not funding them, but no because ISIS is cash rich. stevenleser Oct 2015 #20

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We've done more than that. We worked with the UN to pass resolutions to make anyone stevenleser Oct 2015 #41

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IS was never more than 40 percent self-funded. KSA & GCC" leveymg Oct 2015 #55

None of that is really true. stevenleser Oct 2015 #58

Every word is based in documented facts and reliable sources. I'll leave "the truth" to you and Fox leveymg Oct 2015 #79

As are mine. There are many more links that back up the businessweek version. Nt stevenleser Oct 2015 #84

On this, the Joint Chiefs have more crediblity than a Saudi apologist working for a neocon thinktank leveymg Oct 2015 #86

We've been their longer supposedly fighting a weaker foe so rah fucking rah. TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #49

Let's see... Jesus Malverde Oct 2015 #62

It pretty much is at this point. It's a mess of competing rebel groups and religious groups stevenleser Oct 2015 #64

The terrain, the governments and the people's are completely different. Jesus Malverde Oct 2015 #67

Not without tens of thousands of boots on the ground they won't nt geek tragedy Oct 2015 #6

150K enough? cigsandcoffee Oct 2015 #14

Possibly. Depends how ISIS reacts. If they melt into the various cities they took and stevenleser Oct 2015 #21

Just exactly who are you for? Caretha Oct 2015 #51

Tactical analysis has nothing to do with "Who I'm for" stevenleser Oct 2015 #63

It's clear..nt Jesus Malverde Oct 2015 #74

"Melt into various cities" Jesus Malverde Oct 2015 #68

High explosives have been "raining down on their asses" for the past 2-3 months stevenleser Oct 2015 #70

You are aware that 75% of the "coalition" flights weren't dropping their bombs. Jesus Malverde Oct 2015 #72

Which is typical during a bombing campaign against non state insurgents stevenleser Oct 2015 #85

They are way, way off Ex Lurker Oct 2015 #29

sure, if they're actually on the ground. geek tragedy Oct 2015 #43

The Daily Express? oberliner Oct 2015 #82

Good wipe ISIS off the face of the earth workinclasszero Oct 2015 #8

Yah, well, their record of success in such things isn't so hot. MineralMan Oct 2015 #9

[insert Princess Bride quote here] nt MissB Oct 2015 #30

Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line?... SidDithers Oct 2015 #37

ISIS in Syria is a very different beast than the mujiahadeen in Afghanistan. Xithras Oct 2015 #66

What, were we handing out teddy bears and lollies to the fighters? NightWatcher Oct 2015 #10

Well they have to target ISIS first davidn3600 Oct 2015 #11

Depends on how it goes. Lots of civilian losses and destruction tend to harden TwilightGardener Oct 2015 #12

They proved that in Afghanistan, right? HereSince1628 Oct 2015 #13

Yes, just as the Soviets did to the Mujahideen. yellowcanine Oct 2015 #16

Different leadership yeoman6987 Oct 2015 #76

Not so much really. Putin is a Kremlin retro. yellowcanine Oct 2015 #94

like they whipped the Afghans into submission? mike_c Oct 2015 #17

Beat me to it Egnever Oct 2015 #19

Yes, Russia was SO successful in Afghanistan! BillZBubb Oct 2015 #22

Brutality in a guerrilla war is usually a recipe for defeat (of the Russians, in this case) NickB79 Oct 2015 #23

Recruits won't just be coming from the Arab states but from all Islamic countries snagglepuss Oct 2015 #59

Would Turkey a member of nato support terrorist? Jesus Malverde Oct 2015 #71

Someone's has to buy ISIS oil. nt killbotfactory Oct 2015 #73

The Turks have gone after the Kurds not ISIS they also have snagglepuss Oct 2015 #89

That worked so well for them in Afghanistan. n/t ellisonz Oct 2015 #26

I wouldn't make the mistake of assuming the Russian army is any more or less brutal than ours. Maedhros Oct 2015 #27

They are more than welcome to the quagmire nt arely staircase Oct 2015 #32

Well, which is it? AngryAmish Oct 2015 #34

I agree. They don't mess around. louis-t Oct 2015 #35

It Was During The Iran Crisis. The Iranians Took A Russian National ( A Diplomat I Think) TheMastersNemesis Oct 2015 #87

All I can say is: jack_krass Oct 2015 #36

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Nope, no one is rooting for the terrorists. I have said publicly we should stevenleser Oct 2015 #42

Oh, go pound sand. NuclearDem Oct 2015 #46

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I have to admit i was naive in my thinking on this. I thought Putin was going hrmjustin Oct 2015 #53

Welcome back, Justin! ColesCountyDem Oct 2015 #80

Did they decimate the Mujahideen in Afghanistan? former9thward Oct 2015 #54

Russians decimated Afghanistan rafeh1 Oct 2015 #57

russians got their asses handed to them in Chechnya. their military isn't any better now. KG Oct 2015 #60

Here is the alternate approach Jesus Malverde Oct 2015 #65

Putin is protecting the Naval bases and trying to get the sanctions eased underpants Oct 2015 #75

differences DustyJoe Oct 2015 #77

about Russia vs. Isis achsadu Oct 2015 #81

Russia may take out ISIS, but if there are any doctors in the area, that's our specialty. egduj Oct 2015 #83

Yeah, the Russians are much more respectful of non-combatants. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2015 #97

Syria is where WW3 will begin. roamer65 Oct 2015 #88

I don't think fighting ISIS is actually a big priority of Russia's YoungDemCA Oct 2015 #90

DU makes my head spin sometimes... renegade000 Oct 2015 #91

Some Americans would rather live in Putin's Russia YoungDemCA Oct 2015 #92

Like they decimated the mujahideen in the 80s? dilby Oct 2015 #93

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