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Orrex

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137. Actually, yes.

Tue Oct 6, 2015, 09:45 AM

Oct 2015

I've been down this road many, many times.

Gun advocates love to complain about the phallic imagery long associated with firearms almost as much as they love their phallic firearms, and they particularly love it when they can complain about dick jokes rather than addressing the hard, throbbing fact that guns cause tens of thousands of deaths annually.

They think that, if they can scold people for commenting on the gun advocates' love of rigid, oiled barrels, then people will forget how preposterously deadly guns are repeatedly shown to be.

They also love to dismiss outright any reasonable suggstion about regulation as "bullshit feel good legislation, while they offer absolutely no alternatives other than a little muttering about licensing and some vague nonsense about increasing mental health care.

Sensible laws have no chance to pass because the Congressional majority is enslaved to the NRA, and it has been for decades. Interesting that you align yourself so passionately with them. What are we to make of this?

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Fuck it! I'm sick of pro gun arguments and advocates. [View all] Lint Head Oct 2015 OP

All those who claim second amendment rights seem to forget the Cleita Oct 2015 #1

The 2A allows the strict regulation of guns. hack89 Oct 2015 #2

I know a lot of gun owners. I live rurally. My husband owned guns. My SIL is a Cleita Oct 2015 #6

OK, what laws would you like stricter? Recursion Oct 2015 #19

I would like gun owners to get licenses like driver's licenses. I would Cleita Oct 2015 #20

Are you willing to concede national concealed carry reciprocity branford Oct 2015 #49

there is no comprimise Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #53

I would think that possessing what is clearly an "instrument of death" Proud Liberal Dem Oct 2015 #150

Your thinking would be incorrect, branford Oct 2015 #153

As if you'd accept any evidence kcr Oct 2015 #155

Fell free to demonstrate the need for an assault weapons ban with actual research? branford Oct 2015 #156

Illinois does the license and I think it's a great idea Recursion Oct 2015 #112

Here's what i would support.... Adrahil Oct 2015 #126

Can't wait for the gunners telling us how "well regulated militia" doesn't mean what it says. Hoyt Oct 2015 #3

Those very words are missing from the plaque hailing 2A at NRA HQ....setting their lies in stone. Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #10

No Shit sharp_stick Oct 2015 #11

I know it cracks me up. I've seen a few gunners here post "militia" means all men under 47 years of Hoyt Oct 2015 #13

Yeah, like "well regulated" meant like a clock...uh huh... CTyankee Oct 2015 #39

You don't have to convince the folks on DU TeddyR Oct 2015 #45

5 right wing Republicans said that. Stevens Dissent is a better view, Hoyt Oct 2015 #51

It doesn't fucking matter what Stevens said, GGJohn Oct 2015 #54

It does matter. The right wing Justices will he replaced unless the Gun Protection types help Hoyt Oct 2015 #85

Any way you try to deny it Hoyt, it's the law of the land, GGJohn Oct 2015 #87

It's called etymology Hoyt. Are you really that obtuse? Thick as oatmeal maybe? Militia c. 1777... cherokeeprogressive Oct 2015 #65

My guess is most of the gun fanciers here are no longer amenable for military duty, so turn em in. Hoyt Oct 2015 #82

Nope, not gonna do it. eom. GGJohn Oct 2015 #88

Not surprised, you aren't a law-abiding or responsible gun owner if Hoyt Oct 2015 #91

Gee, what a surprise, another Hoytism. eom. GGJohn Oct 2015 #95

Sweet Jesus. Look up the word amenable and its etymology. cherokeeprogressive Oct 2015 #96

That' your quote. Other gunners use the definition of "militia" that includes the age max 44-47 Hoyt Oct 2015 #100

And another Hoytism. GGJohn Oct 2015 #105

Glad you could pull your head out of your gun safes long enough to respond. Hoyt Oct 2015 #107

Aaannnndddd another Hoytism. GGJohn Oct 2015 #108

I gave you the fucking etymology of the word, circa the time the word was used. WITH a cite. cherokeeprogressive Oct 2015 #109

Such anger and guns don't mix. You should turn yours in, or at least lock them up for a few days. Hoyt Oct 2015 #119

Mine are always locked up. And they're unloaded. I'm not angry... I don't get angry at stupidity. cherokeeprogressive Oct 2015 #120

Now THAT'S funny! And sad at the same time. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2015 #46

Remove the 2nd Amendment and we're in the exact same legal and political position we're in now Recursion Oct 2015 #5

Other countries have regulated their gun owners successfully. Cleita Oct 2015 #7

And other countries have failed to. Look at Brazil or Russia Recursion Oct 2015 #8

I'm suggesting we look at the successful ones not the failed ones. eom Cleita Oct 2015 #9

Brazil's gun laws are comparable to France's. Russia's are even more strict. Recursion Oct 2015 #12

Try Australian laws then. Hoyt Oct 2015 #14

Brazil's are still stricter than Australia's Recursion Oct 2015 #16

Excuses. Hoyt Oct 2015 #18

So we should just give up and do nothing then? Cleita Oct 2015 #15

I don't see why this is so hard for people to understand Recursion Oct 2015 #17

How does all the mass shooting lately support the supposed drop in gun violence? -none Oct 2015 #37

Take it up with the FBI, who compiles the stats. GGJohn Oct 2015 #59

Cops can hide a lot of crimes, but not a body Recursion Oct 2015 #113

Bingo. GGJohn Oct 2015 #114

When a black or Latino kid shot four classmates in 1993 the news didn't report it Recursion Oct 2015 #115

I know, Recursion, it goes like this: "you were never safer." CTyankee Oct 2015 #40

It happens to be true, your feelings on the matter notwithstanding: friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #43

Thank you. nt Mojorabbit Oct 2015 #94

I'd like a dollar from the **many** you-know-who's who deny easily verifiable facts. pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #47

And, in fact, you've never been safer. A kid in school today is safer than you or I were Recursion Oct 2015 #116

Upon reflection, I don't think my first response was helpful. Let me elaborate. CTyankee Oct 2015 #117

You might be interested to read the recent post by Eugene Volokh branford Oct 2015 #55

We have Scalia. We just need to get them all on our side. Lint Head Oct 2015 #31

In the language of the day "well regulated" meant "in good working order" or "well trained." Maedhros Oct 2015 #62

Well trained to me still implies rules to be followed. Cleita Oct 2015 #75

I've made this point before TeddyR Oct 2015 #133

The manufacturers' lobby is the NSSF Recursion Oct 2015 #4

that proves...uh, something... CTyankee Oct 2015 #41

Gun Rights Folks Seem to Love the Free Market...Let It Work! Thunderbeast Oct 2015 #21

Let me re-post an earlier comment I made about the absurdity, illegality and ineffectiveness branford Oct 2015 #52

Fuck insurance liability Nevernose Oct 2015 #124

If you had to go to a "gun DMV" for a license (like you do for a car), the world would see how valerief Oct 2015 #22

Which really begs the question why so few are able to keep the rest of Cleita Oct 2015 #24

Cuz they buy Congress. They probably also facilitate the illegal drug trade, which benefits valerief Oct 2015 #25

Politicians in some states Proud Liberal Dem Oct 2015 #151

I believe that could be true. But we may find out differently. Lint Head Oct 2015 #32

A driver's license is a privilege, GGJohn Oct 2015 #60

Good idea libodem Oct 2015 #23

I'm not that smart but that just makes total sense to me. Lint Head Oct 2015 #30

. libodem Oct 2015 #34

Inspection in the home? GGJohn Oct 2015 #61

Do we allow similar requirements for voting or expression? TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #129

Neither of which actually kills people Proud Liberal Dem Oct 2015 #152

and? TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #160

Close down the Gungeon. Lock the doors. No more NRA talking points on DU. leveymg Oct 2015 #26

"Ask The Administrators" awaits your request: friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #33

Done. http://www.democraticunderground.com/12598806 leveymg Oct 2015 #42

I guess some "progressives" can't take an opposing viewpoint. eom. GGJohn Oct 2015 #64

I guess some progressives can take only so many mass murders. leveymg Oct 2015 #72

I guess you are comparing DU gun owners with........... GGJohn Oct 2015 #76

Skinner put the kibosh on your attempt at censorship, and told you to do what I told you to do: friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #121

"I totally understand your frustration." leveymg Oct 2015 #122

He sympathizes, but doesn't want a purge? A wise choice, given that... friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #123

Setting aside the inaccuracy of your comment TeddyR Oct 2015 #48

I would remind people that Bernie has a very pro-gun rights record, branford Oct 2015 #58

The platform changed. Go advocate free mass murder weapons elsewhere. leveymg Oct 2015 #67

Really? Got a link? nt hack89 Oct 2015 #74

branford is advocating mass murder? GGJohn Oct 2015 #78

No, it hasn't: friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #106

Excuse me? branford Oct 2015 #111

Biden is anti-choice? KamaAina Oct 2015 #158

Skinner has already addressed that, GGJohn Oct 2015 #63

While you are waiting for Skinner's reply, here is a preview of coming attractions hack89 Oct 2015 #69

I believe you might need to have a word with the Democratic Party, branford Oct 2015 #103

But don't you agree polmaven Oct 2015 #27

Totally Agree chuckingrocks Oct 2015 #28

+100! Lint Head Oct 2015 #29

Great post. llmart Oct 2015 #70

Other ways. Straw Man Oct 2015 #125

K/R Jack Rabbit Oct 2015 #35

you have said nothing I couldn't get on board with ibegurpard Oct 2015 #36

anyone who says "gun grabbers" is displaying their paranoia Skittles Oct 2015 #38

You seem to have missed the many, many posts recommending banning guns here at DU: friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #44

Yeah, I'm about to put one on ignore. kentauros Oct 2015 #50

can you post a link? Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #56

Yes, I can post a link. kentauros Oct 2015 #83

I did not think it happened Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #86

Oh, it happened. kentauros Oct 2015 #90

lol, twisting of points? Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #98

If everyone puts them ALL on ignore at least DU will reek less Generic Other Oct 2015 #57

And here I thought that as progressives, we welcome opposing viewpoints. GGJohn Oct 2015 #68

Like here? Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #99

Yep, you nailed it. GGJohn Oct 2015 #104

GG, something tells me you have never voted progressive in your life. Nt Logical Oct 2015 #127

This message was self-deleted by its author GGJohn Oct 2015 #130

You're quite free to believe what you like, GGJohn Oct 2015 #132

I so wish i could see the deleted post! lol! Nt Logical Oct 2015 #149

It wasn't anything nasty or insulting, GGJohn Oct 2015 #159

Let them talk to themselves Generic Other Oct 2015 #92

wow, a penis joke Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #101

Funny how gun advocates find dick jokes more offensive than gun murders. Orrex Oct 2015 #131

No actually not Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #135

Actually, yes. Orrex Oct 2015 #137

Seems like you have some kind of Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #139

Yeah, gun-advocates always say that. Orrex Oct 2015 #143

I do not think Wayne Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #144

Thanks, but as I noted, I've gone down this road many times Orrex Oct 2015 #145

Ok Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #147

Well, there's a point of agreement, at least Orrex Oct 2015 #148

We don't allow racists to post on this site -- why do we allow gun nuts? villager Oct 2015 #66

You're equaling gun owners here on DU with racists? GGJohn Oct 2015 #71

Nah, you should be ashamed. villager Oct 2015 #73

Pray tell, what blood? GGJohn Oct 2015 #77

Nothing to hear -- you offer odious apologias for odious gun manufacturers villager Oct 2015 #79

Another lie from you mouth. GGJohn Oct 2015 #80

Heh... onehandle Oct 2015 #84

Just for the record, I didn't alert on that post. GGJohn Oct 2015 #89

Skinner made that other site for them Generic Other Oct 2015 #93

OOOOOH, that is sooooooo clever. GGJohn Oct 2015 #102

Rec #50. nt onehandle Oct 2015 #81

Me too. hunter Oct 2015 #97

Hear, hear! smirkymonkey Oct 2015 #110

Still don't understand why Skinner is allowing the NRA to post their crap on this site. Jappleseed Oct 2015 #118

it's a simple equation SwankyXomb Oct 2015 #134

As he has said many times Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #140

Yet there are democrats who are racist and Jappleseed Oct 2015 #154

There is a difference Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #157

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #161

I put a bunch on Ignore yesterday Orrex Oct 2015 #128

+100 Lint Head Oct 2015 #136

The same exact thing can be said of your side of the issue. eom. GGJohn Oct 2015 #138

Yep Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #141

As do I. GGJohn Oct 2015 #142

Well unregister as a Democrat then, because the Democratic Party Platform *clearly supports* Ghost in the Machine Oct 2015 #146