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Javaman

(65,676 posts)
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 12:18 PM Oct 2015

One Southerner says the Confederacy was a ‘con-job’ on white people — and its legacy still is today [View all]

(A really interesting read)

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/10/one-southerner-says-the-confederacy-was-a-con-job-on-white-people-and-its-legacy-still-is-today/

>snip<

Q: Joshua Holland: You say the Confederacy was a con job on whites then and now. Didn’t white Southerners profit immensely from slavery prior to the Civil War?

A: Frank Hyman: Yeah, but most of the profit then, as now, went to the one-percenters – people at the top of the pile. About a third of Southern families did own slaves, so it was pretty widespread, but there were plenty of families that might own one or two enslaved Africans. They weren’t wealthy. The bulk of all slaves were owned by the top 5 percent or 10 percent of Southern families.
A small number of people in the South profited immensely. In my research I found that most of the one-percenters in the US were Southerners, not Northern industrialists. The Southern states were wealthier than any nation in Europe except for England, because there was so much money to be made growing cash-crops if you weren’t actually paying people to help you harvest them.

Q: But there was a middle class. In addition to those smaller landholders, there must have been other people who sold wagon wheels or imported fancy goods from Europe or whatever.

A: Right, but for the bulk of the population – what we would call the working-class today — slavery wasn’t at all financially beneficial. One-third of the population were African-Americans being paid nothing for their work, and that drove down wages. And not just in agriculture. Slavery drove down wages in the skilled crafts because a quarter of all enslaved people were trained to be carpenters and cobblers and masons and wheelwrights and shipwrights – and everything else you could imagine. The slave-owners thought, ‘gosh, why should I pay this white guy a professional wage when I can just train some of my slaves to do the work?’
So most white folks in the South were economic losers because of slavery, but many of them bought into the institution for what they saw as its social value. They might have a crummy deal in life, but somebody else had it even worse than they did. That was a big selling point in a lot of the literature from that period, many of which were owned by slaveholders. Pamphlets, newspapers, novels and magazines conveyed the message that you might have it rough as a poor white person, but you were still better off than black people.

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Or as another Southerner put it ... eppur_se_muova Oct 2015 #1
Took the words right out of my mouth iandhr Oct 2015 #14
Of course it was. And so was Jim Crow. yellowcanine Oct 2015 #2
PLUS ONE, a huge bunch! Enthusiast Oct 2015 #11
A variation of that game still works for the ultra wealthy getting many in the south to vote against GoneFishin Oct 2015 #3
Not just in the south ... TBF Oct 2015 #8
Are you sure they are voting against their own interests RATHER THAN Stevepol Oct 2015 #15
No I am not sure. Good point. GoneFishin Oct 2015 #19
We used to have a poster on DU TBF Oct 2015 #20
Yep my nephew for example flygal Oct 2015 #27
You are correct, of course. GoneFishin Oct 2015 #18
I grew up in WI harun Oct 2015 #23
Most of our family farms are gone too - TBF Oct 2015 #25
Many years passed until an actual labor laws were passed for the common good of the nation mrdmk Oct 2015 #4
And the remnants of that exploitative system remain: JDPriestly Oct 2015 #9
This can't be right, it completely defies teh Trickle Down Major Nikon Oct 2015 #5
the masters of the universe ALWAYS use divide & conquer. poor white people see more black people. pansypoo53219 Oct 2015 #6
In addition, wealthy Southerners who couldn't produce "middle class" Hortensis Oct 2015 #7
It's sad but true that many people at the bottom of the pile will do anything to convince Joe Chi Minh Oct 2015 #10
He's Right: Most White People Did Not Benefit From Slavery NonMetro Oct 2015 #12
It's sad but true that many people at the bottom of the pile will do anything to convince Joe Chi Minh Oct 2015 #13
In memoriam: Joe Bageant, the poor man's Hunter S. Thompson. DinahMoeHum Oct 2015 #16
I feel no sympathy for middle and lower class whites who vote Republican YoungDemCA Oct 2015 #17
Think about the psychology at work - TBF Oct 2015 #21
So what? ibegurpard Oct 2015 #24
Basically, nothing has changed...a few own the wealth and have all the power... joeybee12 Oct 2015 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author mhatrw Oct 2015 #26
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