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riderinthestorm

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153. Pepper spray is useful against an assailant

Wed Oct 7, 2015, 12:22 PM

Oct 2015

my point is that guns aren't necessary for the purposes gun owners like to say they own them for.

Target shooting? There are other weapons for that.

Self defense? Same

Guns were for a "well regulated militia".

The 2A can be re-examined in that light and new laws formulated about guns. I'm not willing to give anyone a pass - "target shooters", "competitive target shooters", "self defense"... All of it questioned.

My point on this thread was to start that conversation. You don't get a pass anymore because you're "just" a target shooter for example. That hobby doesn't outweigh the public good. You can do that hobby with other weapons. Take those guns out of circulation.

Own a gun for self defense? Not good enough anymore - use another weapon and take those guns out of circulation.

Assault weapons? Banned.

Etc etc.

Inch by inch.

I'm off for the rest of the day and I'm guessing this thread will be too large for me to load by this evening so I'm leaving you with the last word.

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What is the function of a gun? [View all] boston bean Oct 2015 OP

Competitive target shooting. hack89 Oct 2015 #1

Could you live without your target shooting? boston bean Oct 2015 #3

If it represents no threat to you hack89 Oct 2015 #8

Actually, lots of these mass murderer spent a lot of time on the range. boston bean Oct 2015 #12

I am talking about competing in organized shooting competitions hack89 Oct 2015 #31

you will get nowhere without the support of Democratic gun owners. +1 [nt] Ichigo Kurosaki Oct 2015 #37

+1000 n/t Kang Colby Oct 2015 #251

So true Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #60

Why not? They conflate... meaculpa2011 Oct 2015 #104

Why do we always see pictures of human beings as targets in shooting competitions.. madinmaryland Oct 2015 #227

No you don't. n/t Kang Colby Oct 2015 #247

What about the obstacle course, urban warfare, type shooting that is becoming popular Hoyt Oct 2015 #259

I would say IDPA and IPSC lead that format, I know of no others. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #262

It's brown! DashOneBravo Oct 2015 #269

Factory standard cardboard. n/t oneshooter Oct 2015 #291

Damn! another good narrative blown away. Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #304

What about it? eom. GGJohn Oct 2015 #266

Bull shit hack89 Oct 2015 #255

Not true. JonathanRackham Oct 2015 #265

Really? GGJohn Oct 2015 #268

You should retract this statement, GGJohn Oct 2015 #274

You mean like these? oneshooter Oct 2015 #293

Where do you get this stuff? Straw Man Oct 2015 #317

Do tell? Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #329

You act like there is absolutely nothing to fear with the conditions we face now. boston bean Oct 2015 #39

I understand that I have never been safer from violent crime my entire life hack89 Oct 2015 #46

Mass shootings rank very low on my list of safety concerns. Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #52

Thats what the parents/family and friends of the latest victims of mass murder thought too workinclasszero Oct 2015 #78

A whole lot more families and friends lost people to garden variety murders. Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #155

I have nothing to fear Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #61

Statisically, about 30 people die every day in the U.S. in alcohol related car crashes. Adrahil Oct 2015 #188

Could you live without voting? [nt] Ichigo Kurosaki Oct 2015 #35

There is surprisingly no guarantee for voting in the Constitution... Human101948 Oct 2015 #132

Now imagine Ichigo Kurosaki Oct 2015 #171

Where have you been? Human101948 Oct 2015 #203

Not funny, but the repubs are making voting far more harder to do than getting a gun. So thanks madinmaryland Oct 2015 #230

Of course, but you can also live without eating meat but that's kind of silly. ileus Oct 2015 #124

because you don't kill with your gun handmade34 Oct 2015 #20

It is what people choose to with inanimate objects that is significant hack89 Oct 2015 #33

People aren't conflating legal gun owners with murderers kcr Oct 2015 #166

If it's the intent of the designer that matters, lots of guns were made with no such purpose in mind Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #75

Very true Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #84

That would work, if only intent mattered kcr Oct 2015 #172

You can target shoot with bow and arrows, crossbows riderinthestorm Oct 2015 #34

Catering to your irrational fears is not necessary either hack89 Oct 2015 #36

Then it is actually about guns for you and not target shooting. riderinthestorm Oct 2015 #43

Again, what threat do I represent to you? hack89 Oct 2015 #48

The guns are the threat. riderinthestorm Oct 2015 #58

So they have magical powers that turn me into a killer? hack89 Oct 2015 #65

You do not need a gun to target shoot. riderinthestorm Oct 2015 #70

Until you show how my choice represents a threat to the public hack89 Oct 2015 #76

Nope, you can target shoot with other weapons. riderinthestorm Oct 2015 #87

Ok nt hack89 Oct 2015 #92

Firearms aren't the threat, GGJohn Oct 2015 #81

Ah, the NRA's favorite talking point riderinthestorm Oct 2015 #90

Just because something is a point raised by the NRA, doesn't make it false. branford Oct 2015 #113

Because that phrase precisely ignores the complex pathology riderinthestorm Oct 2015 #129

And lumping suicides and homicides into the catchall 'gun violence' doesn't? beevul Oct 2015 #192

"Complex pathology" reduced to prohibition? Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #307

Ah, when you can't refute the statement, GGJohn Oct 2015 #215

There are too many bkkyosemite Oct 2015 #150

I actually agree with you that there are too many irresponsible humans GGJohn Oct 2015 #216

Due to my health problems I couldn't use a bow and arrow Boudica the Lyoness Oct 2015 #195

Do you keep that weapon locked away at the shooting range? madinmaryland Oct 2015 #232

Do you keep securityy locks on your kitchrn knives? oneshooter Oct 2015 #243

Actually I do. I am concerned that the cats will grow opposable thumbs and come madinmaryland Oct 2015 #318

I have two safes in my home hack89 Oct 2015 #257

In my case, guns for me ARE for target shooting. Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #56

Nope, you can competitively target shoot with other weapons. riderinthestorm Oct 2015 #66

By saying "nope," what statement of mine are you attempting to refute? Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #69

That your guns are nobody's business but yours riderinthestorm Oct 2015 #79

But it is true. GGJohn Oct 2015 #83

At the moment that's true riderinthestorm Oct 2015 #94

Why do you feel you have a right or a need to know what firearms I own? eom. GGJohn Oct 2015 #218

I would need to see proof that eliminating said hobby has a direct relationship Rex Oct 2015 #114

But it has brought down bkkyosemite Oct 2015 #152

They do that, but how do we convince people to give up their assault weapons Rex Oct 2015 #173

Not everywhere. aikoaiko Oct 2015 #180

I think you replied to the wrong post Rex. GGJohn Oct 2015 #276

Moral judgement? JonathanRackham Oct 2015 #264

Did you perhaps reply to the wrong post? eom. GGJohn Oct 2015 #275

"Every gun owner is up for scrutiny now imo. Why a person owns them cannot simply go unremarked." Brickbat Oct 2015 #85

Okay, that doesn't exactly follow from your actual statement, but fine. Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #105

What you "buy" is totally irrelevant. branford Oct 2015 #121

I would bet its near 100% of the mass shooters practiced target shooting. riderinthestorm Oct 2015 #137

I never suggested that mass shooters don't go to the target range. branford Oct 2015 #145

Pepper spray is useful against an assailant riderinthestorm Oct 2015 #153

Not really. Straw Man Oct 2015 #315

I have a safer bet. Straw Man Oct 2015 #302

Please complete the following sentence for me... cherokeeprogressive Oct 2015 #88

Food? riderinthestorm Oct 2015 #91

They have a high nutritional value do they? cherokeeprogressive Oct 2015 #108

Ok. Let me clarify, their sole purpose is to help obtain food riderinthestorm Oct 2015 #112

Why do you avoid using the word KILLING? "Obtain food"? cherokeeprogressive Oct 2015 #119

*shrug* ok. Used to kill for food. riderinthestorm Oct 2015 #140

Yeah, that's why they have never been used dumbcat Oct 2015 #127

The nature of warfare changed dramatically with the intro of guns riderinthestorm Oct 2015 #143

And it will change again dumbcat Oct 2015 #175

The nature of warfare ... Straw Man Oct 2015 #300

In the 12th century they were weapons of mass destruction and were owned by the 1%'ers of the time.. madinmaryland Oct 2015 #233

Maybe go read the OP. cherokeeprogressive Oct 2015 #235

Oh. Ok. Then you agree with the OP. I misinterpreted what you said, then. I'm sorry. nt madinmaryland Oct 2015 #237

You can also target shoot with muzzle loaders. ileus Oct 2015 #128

Muzzle loaders fall into the gun category nt riderinthestorm Oct 2015 #158

target shooting is nothing more than improving one's ability to kill more accurately DrDan Oct 2015 #103

So why do so few gun owners actually shoot someone hack89 Oct 2015 #107

no one is claiming all gunowners kill something/someone - only that the purpose of a gun is to kill DrDan Oct 2015 #111

What matters is the purpose to which the owner applies the gun hack89 Oct 2015 #116

you may put a piece of paper on the butt of a gun and write a note - DrDan Oct 2015 #131

So the actions of the owner are completely irrelevant? hack89 Oct 2015 #133

Thats where they want to take it. beevul Oct 2015 #197

no Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #135

what is duck hunting? DrDan Oct 2015 #138

a nickname Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #139

neither do I - but I do not find it repugnant if the bird is eaten DrDan Oct 2015 #147

Love turkey, not so much duck Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #154

His screen name refers to an Anti Aircraft unit. GGJohn Oct 2015 #220

Those "few gun owners" who "shoot someone" are the problem riderinthestorm Oct 2015 #118

Conflating legal gun owners with mass murderers? hack89 Oct 2015 #120

If the 99.9x percent are suspect in your eyes, due to the actions of .0x percent... beevul Oct 2015 #198

Cause many are fine with just intimidating people, and profiting from gunz. Hoyt Oct 2015 #260

That's nice. Nt hack89 Oct 2015 #263

Like a robber who locks the door? DashOneBravo Oct 2015 #271

And horseshoes is even more insidious and evil: It's practice for killing people with skinny necks. cherokeeprogressive Oct 2015 #242

A tool competently designed to tear thru paper targets... stone space Oct 2015 #156

There are many things in life that one can be fearful of hack89 Oct 2015 #160

That's because your rifles can only tear thru papar. stone space Oct 2015 #163

No. It is because rifles are rarely used to kill people hack89 Oct 2015 #164

How do you kill somebody with a tool... stone space Oct 2015 #169

I know you think you are being witty hack89 Oct 2015 #170

I suppose ... Straw Man Oct 2015 #303

So, sort of like playing lawn darts? Scootaloo Oct 2015 #204

Lawn darts are too damn dangerous hack89 Oct 2015 #206

Keep going on this train of thought Scootaloo Oct 2015 #207

Sure - toys should not be dangerous hack89 Oct 2015 #209

How seriously should they be treated? Scootaloo Oct 2015 #210

Very. hack89 Oct 2015 #211

Two things... TipTok Oct 2015 #2

So, the use even in self defense is to kill. boston bean Oct 2015 #5

As stated before... TipTok Oct 2015 #15

Killing another person with a gun pointed at you I presume, right? boston bean Oct 2015 #21

Someone or something with the means and intent to cause harm.. TipTok Oct 2015 #53

Assailants need not always possess a firearm to be extremely dangerous. branford Oct 2015 #134

In my case... Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #159

Sort of. The use is to STOP the attacker. Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #62

A person has the right to kill in self defense if he is facing an attacker who ... spin Oct 2015 #277

You guys really think seeming rational will trump reality don't you? onehandle Oct 2015 #27

Appeal to emotion... TipTok Oct 2015 #28

One of the controllers Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #63

Bookmarked for later. This has potential to be epic. You have hit the nail on the head. nt Electric Monk Oct 2015 #4

kick (nt) Electric Monk Oct 2015 #327

Hack has a point: I shoot at paper targets Recursion Oct 2015 #6

Why do people need to use a gun explicitly made for killing others boston bean Oct 2015 #7

Are there guns not "explicitly made for killing others"? Recursion Oct 2015 #9

Why don't you tell me? boston bean Oct 2015 #13

Because I'm trying to listen to your argument? Recursion Oct 2015 #16

Guns are made for killing. boston bean Oct 2015 #17

OK, that's what I was asking Recursion Oct 2015 #18

Stone-cold ... Straw Man Oct 2015 #306

If you are looking for a connection between "all of these mass murderers" pipoman Oct 2015 #38

You can't say that Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #64

If you want to absolve yourself of having to talk about gun violence.... Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #74

Except that isn't the conversation is it.. pipoman Oct 2015 #80

Really? Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #95

The numbers indicate that it isn't a 'gun problem'. beevul Oct 2015 #208

Do you realize Ford F-150 Oct 2015 #219

Actually, the 300,000 would be a 10th of 300,000,000, GGJohn Oct 2015 #221

Just did some looking and... Ford F-150 Oct 2015 #229

You're attempting to shift the debate. beevul Oct 2015 #238

According to some Ford F-150 Oct 2015 #248

Bad guys aren't the problem? beevul Oct 2015 #252

Bad guys Ford F-150 Oct 2015 #258

Then obviously going after them is the right thing to do. beevul Oct 2015 #261

Who is them? Ford F-150 Oct 2015 #270

Them: Bad guys. N/T beevul Oct 2015 #273

The numbers most certainly do indicate we have a problem. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #283

Nobody here claims we don't have 'a problem'. beevul Oct 2015 #286

But you're clearly saying that there isn't a gun problem. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #287

in fairness, I added to the post you're responding to. beevul Oct 2015 #288

You're splitting hairs now. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #295

What you call splitting hairs, I call clearing the muddy waters. beevul Oct 2015 #298

The problem is you're putting white hats and black hats on people..... Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #308

And you're pretending that there are no white hats. beevul Oct 2015 #309

Zero summing it into white hate/black hat is a foolish way of thinking of it. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #313

Only when one disagrees with the figures in question. beevul Oct 2015 #316

You're spinning the numbers to avoid talking about the issue. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #320

No. Just no. beevul Oct 2015 #321

The problem is still guns, no matter how you want to move away from it. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #322

The problem can not be guns. beevul Oct 2015 #323

The problem with your "99.9%" claim is that it's fatally fluid. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #324

So you say. beevul Oct 2015 #325

Mental illness is, at best, 50% of the connection. flamin lib Oct 2015 #110

Only if you are intentionally ignoring the elephant in the corner... pipoman Oct 2015 #178

Shooting at paper targets could reasonably be considered practice killing. MillennialDem Oct 2015 #10

I guess? I also fence. Recursion Oct 2015 #14

The purpose of all weapons is to injury or kill. Hence the name "weapon". I find that the gun Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #19

Shrug Recursion Oct 2015 #23

My fishing gear is a 'weapon' so why don't you focus on that too? [nt] Ichigo Kurosaki Oct 2015 #44

Yeah, fencing is a real problem here in New Haven! All these fencers are going around CTyankee Oct 2015 #331

How about skeet, or trap? oneshooter Oct 2015 #196

Shooting at the target is rehearsal treestar Oct 2015 #40

Target practice makes the difference Ichigo Kurosaki Oct 2015 #45

+1000. eom. GGJohn Oct 2015 #47

Hunting doesn't bother me treestar Oct 2015 #54

Respectfully, if you do not believe the risks are worth the fun, branford Oct 2015 #142

To put little holes in things. bemildred Oct 2015 #11

That reminds me, I've got to file some papers away in a three ring binder. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #71

Heh. Now that's some target practice. bemildred Oct 2015 #97

The purpose of a firearm is to GGJohn Oct 2015 #22

Exactly correct. Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #68

Primarily to kill people. Secondarily to instill fear in a terroristic manner. onehandle Oct 2015 #24

The second only works because of the primary purpose of the design loyalsister Oct 2015 #181

What's wrong with shooting a rapist, home invader, stalker or other violent criminal? Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #25

Not much. But then what is the likelihood? treestar Oct 2015 #41

Rights aren't subject to precentages or wild speculation about being disarmed by ninja burglars. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #77

or your little brother, a random shoplifter, or that guy who just got car jacked.... and that bettyellen Oct 2015 #267

If you believe you can prohibit a thing to all based on the misues or abuse of a scant minority then Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #279

It's not the gun's fault. It's the gun-culture's fault. DetlefK Oct 2015 #26

No country has similar levels of gun ownership pipoman Oct 2015 #42

And no country has similar levels of gun violence. flamin lib Oct 2015 #115

Eliminate black cars and eliminate accidents or just black car accidents? pipoman Oct 2015 #179

"And no country has similar levels of gun violence" Not the least bit true.. EX500rider Oct 2015 #186

Here is one question I have for people that own guns for protection world wide wally Oct 2015 #29

Ask the criminals who might break into my house. [nt] Ichigo Kurosaki Oct 2015 #49

How often has that happened? world wide wally Oct 2015 #55

None of that Ichigo Kurosaki Oct 2015 #72

How many fires do you expect? Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #67

Everyone that's attacked had it coming??? ileus Oct 2015 #130

gives way too many people a sense of self-worth. KG Oct 2015 #30

History is your friend pipoman Oct 2015 #32

It was invented as an offensive weapon... Javaman Oct 2015 #51

And knives started as rocks...who gives a shit? pipoman Oct 2015 #57

nice non-sequitor. Javaman Oct 2015 #86

For those of you bringing up target shooting, please keep this in mind: Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #50

+1000 nt riderinthestorm Oct 2015 #99

John Prine said it very well in a song about the death and destruction of a small town loyalsister Oct 2015 #182

Crossbows, compound bows Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #59

Alert us, the next time some maniac uses a crossbow to turn a classroom into a slaughterhouse. (nt) Paladin Oct 2015 #73

Just answered the question Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #82

Naw the mass killers favor military type assault weapons like workinclasszero Oct 2015 #89

Very true, unfortunately. (nt) Paladin Oct 2015 #101

acually no Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #117

Food. You don't even need a gun to catch food really riderinthestorm Oct 2015 #100

Who cares? GGJohn Oct 2015 #223

What if Predator was a documentary? Facility Inspector Oct 2015 #93

Actually the Predator kills himself. geomon666 Oct 2015 #98

What if Terminator was a documentary Facility Inspector Oct 2015 #102

They kill the Terminator with a hydraulic press. geomon666 Oct 2015 #106

I'm in Minnesota sarisataka Oct 2015 #123

There's no reasoning with people who have gun fetishes. hunter Oct 2015 #96

Where is "Gun Fetishist" in DSM? Facility Inspector Oct 2015 #109

made up Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #136

I'm a great stew of OCD behaviors. hunter Oct 2015 #151

Not even remotely the same thing. NuclearDem Oct 2015 #126

three functions... ileus Oct 2015 #122

To propel projectiles at high speeds. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2015 #125

Security blanket for those who are mentally still children frizzled Oct 2015 #141

You just accused 80-100+ million of your fellow Americans, branford Oct 2015 #148

Demonizing the mentally ill isn't helpful, and abouta third of people will have it in their lifetime frizzled Oct 2015 #149

You can't prove that firearm ownership is dropping. eom. GGJohn Oct 2015 #226

nytimes.com/2013/03/10/us/rate-of-gun-ownership-is-down-survey-shows.html frizzled Oct 2015 #278

It's far more likely that with the ongoing attempt to stigmatize gun owners, GGJohn Oct 2015 #280

When all else fails, deny the facts - the NRA's never been more powerful frizzled Oct 2015 #299

WTF!!!! GGJohn Oct 2015 #225

I own one to shoot and possibly kill an intruder who intends to harm my family. Throd Oct 2015 #144

Personally, I have no objection to that; however... Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2015 #161

I have considered all your points and more. Throd Oct 2015 #165

Buy a quality weapon, then. Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2015 #168

"a panic button is effective in summoning the police quickly" EX500rider Oct 2015 #193

Didn't you get the memo? beevul Oct 2015 #199

Not a lot of armed home invasions in unincorporated counties out in the middle of nowhere Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2015 #282

Not alot? Thats true, however... beevul Oct 2015 #284

Generally, the cops are at my house in a minute or less Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2015 #281

I don't live where you do. Police response time tends to be much longer. Throd Oct 2015 #292

I live about 150 steps from a Starbucks. Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #294

..and that's fine Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2015 #297

Who's obsessed? EX500rider Oct 2015 #305

I have a smoke detector, and i have a fire extinguisher Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2015 #310

In 30 years of firearm ownership none of mine have done those things either. EX500rider Oct 2015 #311

That's great! Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2015 #312

To end life. zappaman Oct 2015 #146

A gun - like a sling, bow, or throwing arm - delivers a projectile to a target Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2015 #157

Kill! Kill! Kill! HassleCat Oct 2015 #162

Penile extension? KamaAina Oct 2015 #167

Hasn't worked yet... cherokeeprogressive Oct 2015 #174

Over your cold.... workinclasszero Oct 2015 #176

The function of a gun is to shoot, not kill LittleBlue Oct 2015 #177

For the first time ever, I agree with you completely. hifiguy Oct 2015 #183

The function of a gun is sarisataka Oct 2015 #184

Can haz pew nau? Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #185

Ok... sarisataka Oct 2015 #187

... Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #189

When the chips are down sarisataka Oct 2015 #191

I'm with you there, Sarisataka. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #194

The moral of the story sarisataka Oct 2015 #200

Aye. But sometimes, the problem requires a gun. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #205

You gallifreyans and your guns... beevul Oct 2015 #236

Go home Magneto, you're drunk. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #241

. sarisataka Oct 2015 #244

I'm a rascal... beevul Oct 2015 #250

... WAT Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #253

You should see what I turned up on ancestry.com!! beevul Oct 2015 #254

Photo of the grandkids...? Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #256

Thats easy. beevul Oct 2015 #190

Killing something/someone is often a legitimate purpose. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2015 #201

The function of a gun is to send a projectile out of its muzzle at a high rate of speed Waldorf Oct 2015 #202

Vial. REP Oct 2015 #212

Ever heard of a flare gun? OakCliffDem Oct 2015 #213

Ever heard of a line throwing gun? OakCliffDem Oct 2015 #214

I want my 2nd amendment right. PowerToThePeople Oct 2015 #217

Food. Blue_In_AK Oct 2015 #222

Nope: Make gun makers and sellers rich. lindysalsagal Oct 2015 #224

I agree 100% me b zola Oct 2015 #228

What about alcohol? hack89 Oct 2015 #285

To intoxicate, in and of itself, is non-lethal me b zola Oct 2015 #289

But guns cannot have a positive social action? hack89 Oct 2015 #290

FACT: A gun is a weapon liberal N proud Oct 2015 #231

^^ This ^^ madinmaryland Oct 2015 #234

Did it ever occur to you that it's obviously a weapon, so why refute it? n/t Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #239

And a knife is a weapon. n/t oneshooter Oct 2015 #245

When was the last time you heard of a mass knife attack? liberal N proud Oct 2015 #319

They happen... Marengo Oct 2015 #328

Fact check sarisataka Oct 2015 #246

If guns are designed solely to kill, then are the majority of them somehow defective? X_Digger Oct 2015 #240

A sporting instrument... Kang Colby Oct 2015 #249

A question ma'am DashOneBravo Oct 2015 #272

To shoot holes in a trash burning barrel? B Calm Oct 2015 #296

This is one of the funniest threads deathrind Oct 2015 #301

You can take this from me from my cold, dead hands. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #314

STOP IT TOMMY_CARCETTI Skittles Oct 2015 #333

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #326

It is a weapon. TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #330

2nd amendment Daninmo Oct 2015 #332