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sarisataka

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10. As we discussed in the gungeon
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 12:57 PM
Oct 2015

The NRA will cave in if there is wide support of a bill among gun owners. It has been done.

Some things I, and many other gun owners would support:

-Enforce the laws we have. Recently a person was sentenced to two years for making straw purchases with the intent to move seven guns over states lines. A single straw purchase can be a ten year sentence. The remarkable thing was that any jail time was involved. We can pass 100k laws but if they do not get enforced they are only words on paper.

-Pass UBC. Should have happened long ago. The issues with enforcement have been hashed over but in reality there is no downside.

-Safe storage laws. Also an enforcement issue but if keeping your kids safe isn't incentive enough, maybe the threat of jail time may make a few more act responsibly. Also, as in the first point, they must be enforced, not waived away in misplaced sympathy after a tragedy.

-Mandatory reporting of stolen/lost firearms. Goes well with the above point. Criminal culpability may be considered for extreme negligence.

-- Get DV laws passed to remove guns from those who are a high risk of violence. The MN law (which helped campaign for) is a good example. It removes guns to protect potential victims but also has due process provisions to protect the accused.

-Fix carry laws. All carry must be shall issue (to avoid racist enforcement) but can include refusal by LE "for good cause". If the person is known to LE as a trouble maker, multiple DUIs misdemeanors etc., then they can be denied. If the person wishes, they can appeal and LE can put their evidence before a judge. If found insufficient or frivolous then LE pays legal costs.
--Also to get a PTC, class time including laws on legal self defense should be required. A practical shooting test comparable to local LE would also be required.
---While I personally do not object to open carry, it typically causes undo alarm. Allow concealed with no more that a citation for inadvertent exposure. This would also solve the issue of idiots who carry rifles everywhere.

-Fix SYG. While the theory that a person should have no civil liability for legitimate self defense is good, in practice the issue is murky. I do not have the legal expertise to suggest specific changes. [as another poster pointed out, SYG and civil immunity are actually two separate issues. Each would need addressing]

-I know I'm forgetting something obvious that I usually include, but getting any one of these passed will be a major effort in today's political climate.

These all address the gun side of the equation, which I look on as treating the fever of an ill person. It is a symptom, not the disease. That must be treated on a social level. I found this list a good start

1. Access to alcohol and drug treatment and rehab
2. Prison reform
3. Curbing the school-to-prison pipeline
4. Addressing structural racism and investing in young black men
5. Correcting income inequality
6. Addressing gender inequality and "macho" culture

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the merchants of death have to keep their phony baloney jobs spanone Oct 2015 #1
The merchants of death seem to have quite a lot of support in that regard... villager Oct 2015 #2
Corporate McPravda and Flackadamia... Octafish Oct 2015 #8
I've read a few of those talking points on a certain progressive forum, as a matter of fact... Orrex Oct 2015 #3
Oh, the parrots are quite dutiful in their regurgitations... villager Oct 2015 #5
The solution to gun shows is simple hack89 Oct 2015 #4
But guns! Orrex Oct 2015 #6
If you shut down gun shows then you simply make policing gun sales harder hack89 Oct 2015 #7
We've basically been over this already Orrex Oct 2015 #15
So lets work together on UBCs hack89 Oct 2015 #16
Yes, let's work together on UBCs villager Oct 2015 #20
My state has had them for a while now hack89 Oct 2015 #21
Do you make this known publicly in forums *with* your fellow gun owners? villager Oct 2015 #25
DU is the only place I regularly post about guns hack89 Oct 2015 #26
Well, you need to start working on your fellow pro-gunners, I suspect villager Oct 2015 #27
All the gun owners I know well live in New England hack89 Oct 2015 #28
Well no, you can keep posting here on generally pro gun control sites villager Oct 2015 #29
It is not that big a deal to us hack89 Oct 2015 #30
It's a big deal to some of us -- and public gun owner support would have an an outsize impact villager Oct 2015 #31
That's nice nt hack89 Oct 2015 #32
Favorite group Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #33
Ok. Orrex Oct 2015 #22
yep since it is Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #9
As we discussed in the gungeon sarisataka Oct 2015 #10
Personally, I am for restricting concealed carrry permits to trained professionals Maedhros Oct 2015 #12
I'm afraid that cat sarisataka Oct 2015 #23
I just don't trust people to pack weapons with them 24-7. Maedhros Oct 2015 #24
I look forward, then, to the networking and lobbying you'll be undertaking with fellow gun owners villager Oct 2015 #19
There no longer is an NRA. Archae Oct 2015 #11
I assume your accompanying image is meant ironically, Archae, but I wouldn't be surprised villager Oct 2015 #14
According to a few conservatives, Jesus would want more guns Archae Oct 2015 #17
You can't be the Prince of Peace unless you come strapped! villager Oct 2015 #18
Bookmarked underpants Oct 2015 #13
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