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Tommy_Carcetti

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151. And yet the murder rate there is still significantly lower.

Reply to Boudica the Lyoness (Reply #150)

Wed Oct 7, 2015, 04:55 PM

Oct 2015

But you know, since there is crime in the UK, that the UK is not a completely magical crimeless society, apparently that fact can be completely ignored for your purposes.

Don't you have George Zimmerman to defend or something like that?

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Gun enthusiasts and the rush to buy guns after a mass shooting: Please don't shift the blame. [View all] Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 OP

You know why this happens each and every time, don't you? LAGC Oct 2015 #1

Except there's never, ever, ever, ever been any sort of legislative proposal to ban all guns. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #2

I'm not in disagreement, my friend. LAGC Oct 2015 #4

So what you're saying is that gun buyers are too stupid to act reasonably? flamin lib Oct 2015 #6

Pretty much. LAGC Oct 2015 #7

If we could do that, there would be few left in Congress. -none Oct 2015 #20

Agreed. LAGC Oct 2015 #24

Do you have insight, as an FFL holder? sarisataka Oct 2015 #9

Possibility: The huge sales may be a collective middle finger to the Prohibitionists. Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #57

In some jurisdictions, Hangingon Oct 2015 #73

It is the free market at work. They are buying the guns to resale them when they are banned. LiberalArkie Oct 2015 #152

Gun nuts are motivated by irrational fear, including the fear of legislation that is not imminent. LonePirate Oct 2015 #101

Statements like the one below don't help "moderate" fun control efforts. branford Oct 2015 #109

Freudian slip much? Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #111

You indeed have identified a typo. I guess the debate over firearms in the country is now over... branford Oct 2015 #113

I'll comment - she was talking specifically about assault weapons, jmg257 Oct 2015 #129

There's reality and there's idealized action. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #130

I don't fear anything Boudica the Lyoness Oct 2015 #146

If you weren't fearful about something, then you would not need a gun, especially to sort out things LonePirate Oct 2015 #147

You got it arse backwards. Boudica the Lyoness Oct 2015 #149

Yeah, it's pretty awful in the UK. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #148

I suppose you have lived there. Boudica the Lyoness Oct 2015 #150

And yet the murder rate there is still significantly lower. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #151

I saw this today and thought of you. Boudica the Lyoness Oct 2015 #154

WOW!!!!! YOU'RE KIDDING ME!!!!! THEY HAVE CRIME IN THE UK?!?!?!!? Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #158

It's illegal everywhere to set booby traps, for the record Nevernose Oct 2015 #155

That emotional knee-jerk response though is "THEY'LL BAN ALL GUNS!!" Gormy Cuss Oct 2015 #141

You hit the nail on the head. Boudica the Lyoness Oct 2015 #144

Repeal the 2005 Arms Act soryang Oct 2015 #3

Sorry, but you can't sue the firearm man. for the criminal or negligent misuse of their legal GGJohn Oct 2015 #13

The particular problem isn't the manufacturers, IMO Nevernose Oct 2015 #156

Thank you. GGJohn Oct 2015 #157

Follow the money Nevernose Oct 2015 #159

You have a good point there. eom. GGJohn Oct 2015 #160

E-verify is a joke. Every Hispanic employee I've hired has a valid SS # riderinthestorm Oct 2015 #163

Illegal immigration is extremely low on my list of priorities Nevernose Oct 2015 #166

Yeah TeddyR Oct 2015 #52

The act is fine and was needed because groups were filing frivilous lawsuits trying to bankrupt Waldorf Oct 2015 #92

If a car model were found to launch projectiles at the speed of sound Orrex Oct 2015 #135

I never heard of a tank manufacturer being sued because tanks launch projectiles. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #137

But that is its purpose LittleBlue Oct 2015 #145

What blame? Guns are a legal product. pintobean Oct 2015 #5

I recall post Sandy Hook and the lines at gun stores and the heavy ads for guns and gun shows. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #8

The parking lot of the gun store up the street pintobean Oct 2015 #15

This, and countless mass shootings before, represents a clear policy failure. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #18

Good luck with that, Tommy pintobean Oct 2015 #22

Actually, the panic buyers are almost always new gun owners Lee-Lee Oct 2015 #10

Either way, it's ghoulish. nt Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #11

Then the # of gun owners in this country must be going up BeyondGeography Oct 2015 #32

See FOID issuance in Illinois. beevul Oct 2015 #44

Only it's not happening.... ileus Oct 2015 #12

There clearly was a rush after Sandy Hook. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #14

I was talking about last weeks, SH I know was crazy... ileus Oct 2015 #23

The rush after Sandy Hook... Kotya Oct 2015 #40

Interesting post. I would only add that there was little sentiment for a ban... Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #63

My explanation: MSM and anti-gun spokespersons backed off in a hurry... Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #61

In terms of the political process, you could argue that. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #64

Thanks, Doctor Carcetti... Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #16

They do it for the same reason as people who bought/hoarded incandescent light bulbs. aikoaiko Oct 2015 #17

"They are not buying them.....because a similar type was used in a crime." Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #19

The massive attempt to ban them from future sales I.e. AWB 2013 aikoaiko Oct 2015 #21

It was introduced on January 24, 2013. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #25

There was a slight increase prior to the massacre as the President campaigned on renewing the AWB aikoaiko Oct 2015 #29

I think people bought them because there was Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #30

These nimrods keep pushing the meme that we're after everyone's guns. Baitball Blogger Oct 2015 #26

No matter what way to cut it though, they can't excuse themselves. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #27

Brain-washed. No other explanation. Baitball Blogger Oct 2015 #28

How do you know they are all hunters? Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #33

I have no idea where you're going with that question. Baitball Blogger Oct 2015 #36

Nimrod is from the Old Testament, Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #38

I got lucky with that "Nimrod" remark. Baitball Blogger Oct 2015 #41

Read many of the latest post-shooting threads? Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #34

Then it's still those idiots who deserve the criticism. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #43

Sure: it's a silly overreaction. Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #46

If you focus on the guns, theres no hiding it... beevul Oct 2015 #47

You know, until these school shootings I had no idea we had people here that Rex Oct 2015 #31

word. KG Oct 2015 #37

This is why I utterly despise Infowars and Alex Jones. Initech Oct 2015 #35

No such thing as a "gun enthusiasts" rockfordfile Oct 2015 #39

It's a euphemism. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #42

SCHEUDLING TOMMY_CARCETTI FOR ASS KICKING Skittles Oct 2015 #96

You might very well. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #100

Sure there is. GGJohn Oct 2015 #45

Many of us consider high sales volume a success. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #48

Who here is talking about monetary success? Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #49

Many of us consider the right of self defense a prerequisite for basic human dignity. N/t Kang Colby Oct 2015 #50

And rushing out to buy a semi-automatic rifle after a school shooting relates to that how? Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #51

The rush to buy is directly related to the potential risk of an Kang Colby Oct 2015 #58

But there's no actual "risk" involved. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #60

You are oversimplifying the issue. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #62

Except the need to have a gun just to have it isn't logical. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #66

That's simply your opinion. n/t Kang Colby Oct 2015 #68

It's essentially Brawndo-esqe logic. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #70

A: Rifles are fun to shoot. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #71

I'm sure blast fishing might be considered fun for some people as well. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #74

Bicycles are far more dangerous to the general public Kang Colby Oct 2015 #75

Yes, but a bicycle's primary purpose is for transportation. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #76

Purpose is irrelevant and subjective. n/t Kang Colby Oct 2015 #77

Not really. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #78

That's irrelevant if you are discussing the overall magnitude of harm. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #79

More people are murdered per year via bicycle than via guns? Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #80

We are specifically talking about rifles... Kang Colby Oct 2015 #82

Okay. More people are murdered per year via bicycle than via rifles? Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #83

I didn't say murdered. There are more bicycle deaths than all rifle deaths combined. N/t Kang Colby Oct 2015 #84

Except you're not considering incidential to vs. because of use from intended purpose. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #85

That's just philosophical babble. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #86

Wha? Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #87

What difference does that make? Kang Colby Oct 2015 #88

No, they are not more lethal to society. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #89

"Factor out" as you use it = ignore some deaths. beevul Oct 2015 #90

The amount of people who are actually killed *because of* bicycles is virtually nil. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #99

So your argument is that Kang Colby Oct 2015 #106

Figured you'd go there. You're still wrong. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #107

Freakishly rare, Kang Colby Oct 2015 #108

No, I'll repeat. Bikes are not more dangerous than rifles. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #110

I know you are trying to exclude certain bicycle deaths Kang Colby Oct 2015 #112

Please tell me how many people you believe were killed *because of* bicycles last year. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #114

How many people do you believe were killed *because of* rifles? Kang Colby Oct 2015 #115

So you are only counting accidential rifle deaths, not total deaths? Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #116

Go ahead and include both homicides with rifles and unintentional deaths with rifles... Kang Colby Oct 2015 #117

Okay. Again. If a person on a bike is hit by a car..... Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #119

Let's agree to disagree. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #120

Well at least I know where you got your talking points from. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #121

He got his bill passed didn't he? Kang Colby Oct 2015 #122

I wonder also Bettie Oct 2015 #162

The whole argument is mind boggling stupid. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #164

They look for anything Bettie Oct 2015 #165

Also - there are more guns in the U.S. than Kang Colby Oct 2015 #69

Post hoc ergo propter hoc. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #72

LOLOLOL Skittles Oct 2015 #94

Oh FFS. That is funny. So food, water, guns? you scare me. Nt Logical Oct 2015 #95

Frightening map. nt valerief Oct 2015 #54

Why? Kang Colby Oct 2015 #59

Vermont: Hot bed of Right Wing activism. Huge crime rate. Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #65

LOL.. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #67

I can see a movie where suggestible people are hypnotized to perform mass shootings, JUST valerief Oct 2015 #53

Ex: Post 48 above. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #55

Right! Capitalism's golden rule: Make money by any means or perish. nt valerief Oct 2015 #56

Gun, Ammo, Weapons collecting is an ADDICTION! A deadly addiction! Dont call me Shirley Oct 2015 #81

Yahoos in long line in Georgia to grab ARs after Sandy Hook. Hoyt Oct 2015 #91

Thats a stretch. beevul Oct 2015 #97

Nope, here's a link. I know you don't think your gun buddies are like that, but they are. Hoyt Oct 2015 #98

From the article: Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #102

Your link doesn't support your statement. beevul Oct 2015 #123

That's the very reason. Read the article, read about Sand Hook, look at those yahoos Hoyt Oct 2015 #124

Your claim was specific. beevul Oct 2015 #126

it's what paranoid cowards do Skittles Oct 2015 #93

+ 1. Sad but true in U.S. Person 2713 Oct 2015 #105

Yep libodem Oct 2015 #103

Just heard on the news gun stock are surging Person 2713 Oct 2015 #104

Big-time bullseye, T_C. Perfectly stated. Thanks. (nt) Paladin Oct 2015 #118

Does a massacre get them even more excited about guns? Kingofalldems Oct 2015 #125

it's part of the sneering, snarking pathology they all harbor villager Oct 2015 #127

They rushed after president Obama was elected, they rushed after Sandy Hook, and ISIS, the border, orpupilofnature57 Oct 2015 #128

Nobody needs to make excuses. It's their right to buy guns legally whenever they want LittleBlue Oct 2015 #131

So a mass rush to buy guns, especially AR-15 rifles, in the wake of a horrific school shooting.... Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #132

I don't really care what people buy after a shooting LittleBlue Oct 2015 #133

Anti-social, reactionary behavior doesn't concern you? Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #140

Not really LittleBlue Oct 2015 #142

Glad you're willing to admit that about yourself. nt Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #143

Has there been any spike in shootings with "assault weapons" branford Oct 2015 #134

By all indications, Sandy Hook ought to have been a wake up call. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #139

I own guns. Haven't purchased anymore since sometime in the 80's. mmonk Oct 2015 #136

That's nice. nt Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #138

I was in 2 real lock downs in Florida Elementary schools HockeyMom Oct 2015 #153

Gun nuts are really paranoid. Talk about gun control and they go wacko and buy ammo and guns. If.... Logical Oct 2015 #161