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Matariki

(18,775 posts)
60. This made me cry
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 01:29 AM
Oct 2015

not so much because it's rare for a man to understand the onslaught of subtle slights that women endure, but in the
ways I've failed to understand the effect of them on myself as a woman. This letter, and even more so his response to the letter being praised really hit some unconscious sore spots.

Jared tells the Ms. Blog:

I absolutely consider myself a feminist! Feminism is about establishing equality, not superiority and that is something I am completely behind. … I was married to a feminist for 10 years and though I didn’t see the subtle [sexism] at first, over time she helped me to understand the subtle comments that add up to a net social push. Once you see it, you see how often it really happens, and you can’t take up a position of ignorance anymore.

(My friend Holly Jeanneret motivated me to write the letter). When Holly and I started Calculus 1 I quickly realized that while I was pretty good at math, she was better; a lot better. Holly consistently outscored me on exams and homework assignments, she understood the concepts on a level I couldn’t match. However, I often saw other men walk right past her and wander around the class looking for another partner. If they did partner with her, they were hyper-critical, they talked over her, they talked directly to me and barely acknowledged she was there. If Holly disagreed on an answer, instead of looking at both answers to find out who had done something wrong, as was common when I worked with other men, I saw them jump to the conclusion that she was must be wrong. It wasn’t just Holly. Since then I have seen the same behavior from men in nearly every class.

What happens when we start pushing some of these thinkers to the side? When they opt for other paths not because this isn’t a calling, but because they see the challenges as outweighing the rewards? I want companies to have access the best thinkers and the best ideas available and if we push certain people out of this field for reasons that have nothing to do with ability, we can’t have that result.

We [men] can’t know what it feels like to grow up in a society where these subtle slights are the norm; a society where women have become so accustomed to them that they can only recall the major ones. We cannot empathize, and our experiences are not the same, but we can listen and try to understand. From there, we can act.


I work in computer sciences. This resonated more than I wish it did.

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It's nice to see ohheckyeah Oct 2015 #1
That was NOT what I expected Lindsay Oct 2015 #2
this! cpompilo Oct 2015 #6
+1 daleanime Oct 2015 #12
+1! Oneironaut Oct 2015 #16
Same here. Aristus Oct 2015 #18
+ geardaddy Oct 2015 #24
that guy is going to be a hero forever. What a great letter. Bless him and the family that raised roguevalley Oct 2015 #31
Definitely have to read down to the punch line! Elmer S. E. Dump Oct 2015 #34
I was all ready to get riled up. MoonchildCA Oct 2015 #39
The O'Henry Twist is alive and well! Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #47
Same! treestar Oct 2015 #49
Wow! Who is that guy? Talk about being enlightened. He must have sisters and strong mom. brush Oct 2015 #3
That's What I Thought, Too Brush ProfessorGAC Oct 2015 #26
elsewhere, he says he was married to a feminist for about ten years. niyad Oct 2015 #54
Women engineers. JonathanRackham Oct 2015 #4
I See That Here Too ProfessorGAC Oct 2015 #28
The office environment is nice. JonathanRackham Oct 2015 #43
Please take note of the major players in the Indian space program. Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #48
That is class. nt bemildred Oct 2015 #5
Yes. Excellent. n/t Ghost Dog Oct 2015 #32
Wow, what a guy. fasttense Oct 2015 #7
I think the term "beautiful" is unnecesary Ghost Dog Oct 2015 #33
There is good news. jalan48 Oct 2015 #8
K&R hedgehog Oct 2015 #9
K&R. Wish more were like him... YoungDemCA Oct 2015 #10
K&R suffragette Oct 2015 #11
wow--glad I read it--the headline gave me pause. niyad Oct 2015 #13
This was so unbelievable that I put my skeptic hat on KentuckyWoman Oct 2015 #14
I don't blame you for being a skeptic NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #20
Bah. He's just trying to get a date with a classmate. ChairmanAgnostic Oct 2015 #15
K&R valerief Oct 2015 #17
As the saying goes: "Real men of quality. . . DinahMoeHum Oct 2015 #19
100% agree on that NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #22
he sure is not a republican Angry Dragon Oct 2015 #21
If he is, MynameisBlarney Oct 2015 #37
We need more men and women like this in Congress d_legendary1 Oct 2015 #23
Engineers in Congress? JonathanRackham Oct 2015 #51
Engineers would care about our infrastructure d_legendary1 Oct 2015 #64
+1 JonathanRackham Oct 2015 #66
Well, sort of. mahatmakanejeeves Oct 2015 #67
Bravo LiberalArkie Oct 2015 #25
That was a great post Gothmog Oct 2015 #27
Wow! City Lights Oct 2015 #29
SMACK! Raster Oct 2015 #30
K & R SunSeeker Oct 2015 #35
That kid gets it. MynameisBlarney Oct 2015 #36
that was my engineer daughter's response when I texted the letter to her - "aww, he gets it" nt kath Oct 2015 #42
Wow! Fantastic Perseus Oct 2015 #38
As an early woman engineer (I entered collage in 1963), s-cubed Oct 2015 #40
Wow - cool lostnfound Oct 2015 #41
I bet he is one helluva fisherman! dae Oct 2015 #44
Mr. Mauldin gets it. hifiguy Oct 2015 #45
Same for women in all math and science fields. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #46
Same for women in any field I'd say. MynameisBlarney Oct 2015 #52
+1 n/t w0nderer Oct 2015 #50
Saved for my granddaughter. raven mad Oct 2015 #53
"Oh no," I thought as I proceeded through the letter. This dumb guy is NCjack Oct 2015 #55
I pretty much knew what he was going to say. Most men feel that way. It's usually only the.. BlueJazz Oct 2015 #56
Yay Jared! Lunabell Oct 2015 #57
Women engineers are awesome. U4ikLefty Oct 2015 #58
The new assist VP of my division is a chemical engineer woman JonathanRackham Oct 2015 #59
This made me cry Matariki Oct 2015 #60
Thanks for posting this LittleGirl Oct 2015 #62
We need more women in STEM positions, and in leadership positions across the board. nt MADem Oct 2015 #61
Quite a moving conclusion. Joe Chi Minh Oct 2015 #63
Very Well Said......... Stainless Oct 2015 #65
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