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WI_DEM

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55. Sure doesn't sound like a moderate/conservative democrat....
Thu May 24, 2012, 03:58 PM
May 2012

In his first speech on the Senate floor in March 1963, McGovern praised Kennedy's Alliance for Progress initiative, but spoke out against U.S. policy towards Cuba, saying that it suffered from "our Castro fixation".[89] In August 1963, McGovern advocated reducing the $53 billion defense budget by $5 billion; influenced by advisor Seymour Melman, he held a special antipathy towards the doctrine of nuclear "overkill".[94] McGovern would try to reduce defense appropriations or limit military expenditures in almost every year during the 1960s.[95] He also voted against many weapons programs, especially missile and anti-missile systems, and also opposed military assistance to foreign nations.[95] In 1964, McGovern published his first book, War Against Want: America's Food for Peace Program.[89] In it he argued for expanding his old program, and a Senate measure he introduced was eventually passed, adding $700 million to the effort's funding.

In a speech on the Senate floor in September 1963, McGovern became the first member to challenge the growing U.S. military involvement in Vietnam.[99][100] Bothered by the Buddhist crisis and other recent developments, and with concerns influenced by Vietnam historian Bernard Fall, McGovern said:

“ The current dilemma in Vietnam is a clear demonstration of the limitations of military power. ... [Current U.S. involvement] is a policy of moral debacle and political defeat. ... The trap we have fallen into there will haunt us in every corner of this revolutionary world if we do not properly appraise its lessons."[74][99]

In the wake of several high-profile reports about hunger and malnutrition in the United States, the Senate Select Committee on Nutrition and Human Needs had been created in July 1968, with McGovern as its chair.[124] Seeking to dramatize the problem, in March 1969 McGovern took the committee to Immokalee, Florida, the base for 20,000 mostly black or Hispanic migrant farm workers.[125] They saw graphic examples of hunger and malnutrition firsthand, but also encountered resistance and complaints about bad publicity from local and state officials.[125][126] McGovern battled the Nixon administration and Southerners in Congress during much of the next year over an expanded food stamp program; he had to compromise on a number of points, but legislation signed in 1970 established the principles of free food stamps and a nationwide standard for eligibility.[127]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_McGovern

Of course, I would have to see his individual votes in the Senate to be sure, but according to McGovern's own autobiography he had been a strong liberal his entire life, much to the chagrin of many South Dakota voters.

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A question about RFK [View all] lovemydog May 2012 OP
That is an excellent hypothetical. hifiguy May 2012 #1
Though in the Muskie hypothetical, that would put two "Northeasterners" on the ticket villager May 2012 #2
'Let's put the jam on the lower shelf lovemydog May 2012 #81
It's a good mantra. Sadly, the current owners/sponsors of the Democratic Party villager May 2012 #82
Didn't Muskie go kinda crazy at one point ...on a train? zzaapp May 2012 #11
That was in 1972 when he was running for Prez. hifiguy May 2012 #13
Thanks for clearing that up. zzaapp May 2012 #18
no. HiPointDem May 2012 #15
When Muskie was the demoratic front runner in 1972 lovemydog May 2012 #17
UNFAIR zzaapp May 2012 #21
yes, another example of the inanity lovemydog May 2012 #27
Unfortunately, Muskie was also an alcoholic. avebury May 2012 #62
Was Jerry Brown in office then? zzaapp May 2012 #3
No but his father Pat Brown would have been a good choice. See below. yellowcanine May 2012 #7
Pat Brown would have been an excellent choice goclark May 2012 #25
Pat Brown had just lost to Raygun at that point RFKHumphreyObama May 2012 #79
Jerry was first elected Gov of Cali in '74 IIRC. hifiguy May 2012 #8
Thanks, wasn't sure of the dates. zzaapp May 2012 #9
He Was All Of Thirty DemocratSinceBirth May 2012 #84
I've got it !!! Hunter Thompson. zzaapp May 2012 #4
Henry B. Gonzales broiles May 2012 #5
that would have been a great choice. gonzalez's work was the first time i got a clue about HiPointDem May 2012 #16
'González was referred to as a "communist" in 1986 lovemydog May 2012 #38
Pat Brown might have been an inspired choice. yellowcanine May 2012 #6
Good thoughts, but note that Brown had lost the governship to St. Ronnie in '66 villager May 2012 #12
Yes that would have been one thing against having Brown as VP. But beyond California, Brown yellowcanine May 2012 #37
Brown lost to Ronnie Reagan by a million votes in 1966--so doubtful. WI_DEM May 2012 #28
How about Jesse Jackson...too young? zzaapp May 2012 #10
Probably too young lovemydog May 2012 #19
I need to start checking dates before posting. lol zzaapp May 2012 #20
Too young, and too soon--RFK would not have selected a black or female VP WI_DEM May 2012 #29
I Presume He Wanted To Win DemocratSinceBirth May 2012 #85
I first thought southerner Capt. Obvious May 2012 #14
But RFK was strongly in favor of civil rights lovemydog May 2012 #22
Oh, I'm sure they hated each other Capt. Obvious May 2012 #24
USAF General Curtis "Bomb 'em Back To the Stone Age" LeMay. hifiguy May 2012 #30
yeah, LeMay lovemydog May 2012 #39
I think you mean Curtis LeMay. craigmatic May 2012 #36
Come on, RFK would never have selected George Wallace WI_DEM May 2012 #26
Are you sure that he didn't mean George Wallace, the black comedian? zzaapp May 2012 #31
well then that is possible. But I think Bill Cosby would have been more universally WI_DEM May 2012 #33
George Carlin? zzaapp May 2012 #35
If it would get him the White House Capt. Obvious May 2012 #34
I doubt a RFK/Wallace ticket would even win WI_DEM May 2012 #45
No effin way. The Southern Strategy didn't kick in until 1972. It was a response to Wallace in yellowcanine May 2012 #44
This thread is all about hypotheticals - I gave mine Capt. Obvious May 2012 #53
Even for a hypothetical it is a bridge too far. The old South hated RFK. They would have swung to yellowcanine May 2012 #61
Not Shriver (family), Not McCarthy (Catholic) not Clark (LBJ's Attorney General) WI_DEM May 2012 #23
RFK wouldn't have won the nod in '68 because LBJ wouldn't have allowed it. craigmatic May 2012 #32
Actually Johnson did a lot to try and help HHH win WI_DEM May 2012 #41
You're right overtly LBJ did alot for HHH but behind the scenes he believed HHH was disloyal. craigmatic May 2012 #51
Great points lovemydog May 2012 #49
You had to have brass balls to try to blackmail LBJ. hifiguy May 2012 #60
Whatever bad traits he had, LBJ was a real Democrat and would NOT have backed NIXON UTUSN May 2012 #54
I like LBJ too but politicians have been known to buck party loyalty in private. craigmatic May 2012 #57
It's not a matter of "liking LBJ" but somebody of his party accomplishment would be like FDR turning UTUSN May 2012 #74
Are you saying that, even after he won the California Democratic Primary and coalition_unwilling May 2012 #66
I'm saying exactly that. craigmatic May 2012 #75
Everything you write is true. However, RFK's victory in coalition_unwilling May 2012 #76
His Ruthlessness Is What Made Him Appealing DemocratSinceBirth May 2012 #86
I beg to disagree. His ruthlessness that had morphed into coalition_unwilling May 2012 #87
But His Affinity For The Underdog And Being Ruthless Or Tough DemocratSinceBirth May 2012 #88
McGovern would have balanced the ticket nicely . . . markpkessinger May 2012 #40
McGovern was a conservative????? WI_DEM May 2012 #42
Yes, as a matter of fact . . . markpkessinger May 2012 #43
And McGovern was a WWII vet. Not that it helped him in 1972. yellowcanine May 2012 #47
Indeed... markpkessinger May 2012 #50
Sure doesn't sound like a moderate/conservative democrat.... WI_DEM May 2012 #55
What you're not getting ... markpkessinger May 2012 #58
You bet. There were Republicans like Ed Brooke, Jacob Javits, hifiguy May 2012 #67
+1 n/t markpkessinger May 2012 #73
One can argue pretty convincingly that, pre-1972, Nelson Rockefeller was to the left of Carter, coalition_unwilling May 2012 #68
One can certainly make that argument, and credibly so ... markpkessinger May 2012 #72
Shows how far to the right we've slid, n'est ce pas? markpkessinger May 2012 #46
Stuart Symington. Senator from MO. trackfan May 2012 #48
That is a first rate surmise. hifiguy May 2012 #63
Excellent choice. I too had forgotten Symington, whose reputation coalition_unwilling May 2012 #69
John Connally would have been an interesting choice but probably too much of a hawk yellowcanine May 2012 #52
CONNALY had already declared independence from LBJ & by the time of the JFK trip to Dallas UTUSN May 2012 #59
The Texans were all fighting each other but they also all would make nice if it meant yellowcanine May 2012 #64
Wait a minute, the topic is WHO RFK would have picked. UTUSN May 2012 #71
RFK still needed LBJ to at least be somewhat neutral. As for Connoly, he was a political chameleon yellowcanine May 2012 #77
Bwa-ha-ha. Reminded me of an old joke about Connally's latter-day coalition_unwilling May 2012 #70
If it had been a brokered convention, it probably would have been HHH. yellowcanine May 2012 #56
My last word is that the premise of the OP is wrong. It would have been HHH/RFK had RFK yellowcanine May 2012 #65
Terry Sanford or George Smathers RFKHumphreyObama May 2012 #78
That having been said RFKHumphreyObama May 2012 #80
I'd have been thrilled with a McCarthy/RFK ticket. But, we got Humpty. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2012 #83
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